2022 NRL Round 15 Cronulla Sutherland Sharks vs. Gold Coast Titans @ C.ex Coffs International Stadium, Coffs Harbour, Saturday 18th June 3:00pm

[Sevshark]

The logic they are using is "he is from Coffs AND the forum hasn't blackballed him for signing elsewhere".

So I'll be debuting at Scully Park?
Eight weeks should be enough notice.

 

[Sevshark]

Yep. The good news is that the game isn't until 13 August and the Sharks have up to 1 August to add you to the top 30. Start training and find a manager.

I'll ask coach to move me to Lock.
Improve my chances.

 

[SF]

Via the same logic Metcalf would be picked this week...

Yeah I don't believe in just picking players for novelty, but it's more just that the timing works for Miller vs the Titans. If Trindall wasn't the incumbent, and you compared the two for the bench this week, I reckon Miller would be the choice. And the season is long and grinding, and if you can inject some excitement and change into the squad now and then, it doesn't hurt. Plus I think Trindall could use a full game in the halves in NSW Cup.

 

[Sevshark]

Yeah I don't believe in just picking players for novelty, but it's more just that the timing works for Miller vs the Titans. If Trindall wasn't the incumbent, and you compared the two for the bench this week, I reckon Miller would be the choice. And the season is long and grinding, and if you can inject some excitement and change into the squad now and then, it doesn't hurt. Plus I think Trindall could use a full game in the halves in NSW Cup.

Personally I'll take the player that can tackle every time.

 

[Sharkfox]

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Lineups:

Us:

1. Will Kennedy
2. Sione Katoa
3. Jesse Ramien
4. Siosifa Talakai
5. Ronaldo Mulitalo
6. Matt Moylan
7. Nicho Hynes
8. Toby Rudolf
9. Blayke Brailey
10. Royce Hunt
11. Briton Nikora
12. Wade Graham (c)
13. Cameron McInnes

14. Aiden Tolman
15. Braydon Trindall
16. Teig Wilton
17. Andrew Fifita

18. Connor Tracey
19. Lachlan Miller
20. Dale Finucane
21. Jesse Colquhoun
22. Kade Dykes

Dale is possibly back this week, but Hazelton is out of the squad altogether, which is strange. Other then that, no changes.

Them:

1. AJ Brimson
2. Greg Marzhew
3. Brian Kelly
4. Patrick Herbert
5. Jamayne Issako
6. Paul Turner
7. Toby Sexton
8. Jarrod Wallace
9. Erin Clark
10. Issac Liu
11. Sam McIntyre
12. Beau Fermor
13. Tino Fa’asuamaleaui

14. Tannah Boyd
15. Moeaki Fotuaika
16. Jaimin Jolliffe
17. Sam Lisone

18. Sosefo Fifita
19. Herman Ese’ese
20. Aaron Booth
21. Kevin Proctor
22. Esan Marsters

We’re up against last, if we’re fair dinkum we should be winning this one. Besides, I think we have a decent record playing at Coffs Harbour. But we are Cronulla, and it is a club tradition to absolutely **** the bed against the shittest of the ****. I really hope Dale is back this week, we’re really missing that hard edge in our pack.

In saying all that i’ll go Cronulla by 8.

4.Tracey 12.Talakai 15.Graham.

Graham looks best suited as a mid fwd these days, if you're going to use Trindall as a ball playing lock might aswell use Graham. This allows Talakai to start and stay on the left edge. Though Wilton has been great starting, his impact and mobility off the bench is needed because we have two senior props. Tracey should be on that starting team, strong runner, and that left edge with Talakai and Mulitalo would be strong

 

[The Punisher]

If Finucane is named who drops out of the 17?
Dont think Fifita deserves demotion, and cant see him dropping Trindell.
So have to be Tolman

 

[Sevshark]

If Finucane is named who drops out of the 17?
Dont think Fifita deserves demotion, and cant see him dropping Trindell.
So have to be Tolman

Tolman gets picked before Fifita.

 

[bort]

If Finucane is named who drops out of the 17?
Dont think Fifita deserves demotion, and cant see him dropping Trindell.
So have to be Tolman

Does Tolman deserve demotion?

I have no issue either way, drop Fifita or Tolman.

We can afford to keep a max 25 min forward on bench in Fifita with who we have rest of line up, but if Fitz preferred the guy that can do as much work as you ask him to then I don't have any issue with that.
Comparable defensive quality although Tolman across twice the sample size, Fifita in his short stints a bit more of a run threat.

Or you can drop Trindall and assuming everything goes to plan, no injury to spine, then you have Graham, McInnes and Finucane - I'm sure one of them can pick up Trindalls 15 minutes at lock at the end of the game.

 

[The Punisher]

Does Tolman deserve demotion?

I have no issue either way, drop Fifita or Tolman.

We can afford to keep a max 25 min forward on bench in Fifita with who we have rest of line up, but if Fitz preferred the guy that can do as much work as you ask him to then I don't have any issue with that.
Comparable defensive quality although Tolman across twice the sample size, Fifita in his short stints a bit more of a run threat.

Or you can drop Trindall and assuming everything goes to plan, no injury to spine, then you have Graham, McInnes and Finucane - I'm sure one of them can pick up Trindalls 15 minutes at lock at the end of the game.

Im just thinking that Finucane on the bench can cover Tolman.
Tolman is consistent and holds the defensive line, which is what Finucane would also bring in a similar role.
Ive been critcal of Fifita as we all have, but feel that of the 2 (Fifita & Tolman) id rather have fifita there in 2023

 

[Sevshark]

Im just thinking that Finucane on the bench can cover Tolman.
Tolman is consistent and holds the defensive line, which is what Finucane would also bring in a similar role.
Ive been critcal of Fifita as we all have, but feel that of the 2 (Fifita & Tolman) id rather have fifita there in 2023

Tolman plays more minutes and averages more metres, more post-contact metres and his defensive output is already well discussed. We all know what Fififta means to the playing group but I'd argue with a completely healthy squad next year Tolman has more chance of cracking the 17.

As much as I love both I'm not convinced either should be there in 2023 though.

 

[Sir Chadley]

There's a great video doing the rounds on Facebook at the moment of the Sharks doing JRL clinics in Coffs. Looks good for our boys and our club and it is so good to see them out there doing something great in the community while they are up there for the game.

The other good thing about the video is that they all look really happy and a real team unit ready to smash those Titans on Saturday.

I'd post it but don't know how to do it from Facebook. If someone could do it that would be great.

 

[bort]

Tolman plays more minutes and averages more metres, more post-contact metres and his defensive output is already well discussed. We all know what Fififta means to the playing group but I'd argue with a completely healthy squad next year Tolman has more chance of cracking the 17.

As much as I love both I'm not convinced either should be there in 2023 though.

Tolman doesn't average more meters or post-contact meters per minute played though (I assume). It's reasonably likely if Finucane came in whoever survived out of these two (or perhaps Royce) would have fairly reduced minutes. Tolman upside is he can play more if required, Fifita probably can't but in 10mins either side of halftime he probably makes a bigger impact than Tolman would.

As for bold - do we? Yeah they definitely seem to like the guy but does him playing 20-25 minutes off the bench, or being sat on the bench, definitely inspire the others to play better? Maybe, but I don't know it.

Him passionately cheering the boys on while he sits on the bench for 850k a year might not be the inspiration it seems for the guy out there doing the work for 80 minutes.

I'd hope we could put in just as good a performance against Titans with him on bench as with him sat next to Craig or playing Jets.

They'd both be out if BHU was also fit and decent chance with Oregon coming and Colquhoun and Hazelton rising they are both surplus to requirements next year. Wouldn't mind keeping one or the other very very cheap, wanting to play first grade but expecting to mostly play Jets.

 

[bort]

There's a great video doing the rounds on Facebook at the moment of the Sharks doing JRL clinics in Coffs. Looks good for our boys and our club and it is so good to see them out there doing something great in the community while they are up there for the game.

The other good thing about the video is that they all look really happy and a real team unit ready to smash those Titans on Saturday.

I'd post it but don't know how to do it from Facebook. If someone could do it that would be great.

Should just need to paste the link

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=560720455638671

 

[Sir Chadley]

Should just need to paste the link

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=560720455638671

Thanks Bort. I know it seems so easy for you young guys (haha!) but my phone just would not do it.

 

[Sevshark]

Tolman doesn't average more meters or post-contact meters per minute played though (I assume). It's reasonably likely if Finucane came in whoever survived out of these two (or perhaps Royce) would have fairly reduced minutes. Tolman upside is he can play more if required, Fifita probably can't but in 10mins either side of halftime he probably makes a bigger impact than Tolman would.

As for bold - do we? Yeah they definitely seem to like the guy but does him playing 20-25 minutes off the bench, or being sat on the bench, definitely inspire the others to play better? Maybe, but I don't know it.

Him passionately cheering the boys on while he sits on the bench for 850k a year might not be the inspiration it seems for the guy out there doing the work for 80 minutes.

I'd hope we could put in just as good a performance against Titans with him on bench as with him sat next to Craig or playing Jets.

They'd both be out if BHU was also fit and decent chance with Oregon coming and Colquhoun and Hazelton rising they are both surplus to requirements next year. Wouldn't mind keeping one or the other very very cheap, wanting to play first grade but expecting to mostly play Jets.

Not per minute no, but I'd say with a healthy BHU and Oregon plus Hunt if he stays that the impact role isn't there for him next year and he isn't capable of the higher minute role anymore.

I don't think him on the bench achieves anything more than him in the extended squad just training with them.

I agree that at full strength neither should make the top 17 next year just that Tolman would have a higher chance of appearing on a bench next year.

Edit: In the 2 games where Tolman has played similar minutes to Andrew, around 27, his output has been statistically better, much smaller sample size though obviously.

 

[Rob]

Does hunt actually add an “impact” roll tho?
He may get 1 big hit up per stint on the field along with average footy at best.
He is playing now as we are scrapping the barrel but can’t see him there next year.
JC & Hazelton will jump him by then along with Kafusi.
Can’t see him, Pele, Fifita, Tolman or Graham here next year.

 

[bort]

Yeah I agree Hunt is best as the impact weapon.

Given he is fourth maybe even fifth choice as a starter he is making a decent showing of it I think.

Hunt also started to develop into a bit of a weapon in 2020 before his injury and had a very disrupted 2021. I think he is very capable of being a top 17 player for an NRL team over next few years. Probably in a fully fit squad would fall just outside of that currently for us.

 

[Sparkles]

Does Tolman deserve demotion?

I have no issue either way, drop Fifita or Tolman.

We can afford to keep a max 25 min forward on bench in Fifita with who we have rest of line up, but if Fitz preferred the guy that can do as much work as you ask him to then I don't have any issue with that.
Comparable defensive quality although Tolman across twice the sample size, Fifita in his short stints a bit more of a run threat.

Or you can drop Trindall and assuming everything goes to plan, no injury to spine, then you have Graham, McInnes and Finucane - I'm sure one of them can pick up Trindalls 15 minutes at lock at the end of the game.

Graham could share lock for sure

 

[Rob]

From the bench, yes. He's a beast when playing 15-25 off the bench. No Sharks forward comes close for making metres..

Here is Round 10 v Raiders. If the blue is on 200 or better you have had a very good game in terms of metres.

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Starting - not so much. On the above scale, he averages ~160 as a starter and ~240 from the bench.

I guess right now the thing is he is making more impact in the first 20 than Tolman was as a starter (~150) - so even though he would be better in another role (Fifita's current role) the best combined use of the currently healthy players is to start Hunt, and to have Tolman play off the bench.

Average of 8.75 meters a hit up doesn’t align with “impact” front rower of the bench imo.

 

[bort]

Average of 8.75 meters a hit up doesn’t align with “impact” front rower of the bench imo.

Who is your best impact prop to compare to?

NAS goes 9.8m a run and is an international with 150 nrl games to his name and absolute behemoth even in the NRL

TPJ sometimes starts, sometimes bench but his average is 8.77

Our new guy Oregon Kaufusi, 9.22

Kamikamica is a good bench prop, averages 9.0

These are foxsports stats though so Royce is 9.42 there...