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If Raiders lose we can go through on for and against even if we lose to storm

Not if Storm beat us by a Margin of 50+ and Raiders lose by less than 2 points

Don't see the Storm putting more than 30ish on us though

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Sharks & Raiders both win their games but Raiders win their game by a 50 point superior margin to ours

won't happen but it's possible

we really owe the Tigers a slab for that gimme the other week
 

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I know Napa is being discussed as a rumour so just seen this and thought I would post it here. I wouldn’t be disappointed if we signed him, I think he would come reasonably cheap and probably be that perfect impact middle off the bench for us

NAPA’S CAREER
AT THE ROOSTERS 94 average metres, 47 minutes per game, 0.83 tackle busts per game, 122 games, 2 tries, 1.8 missed tackles per game, 6 games out suspended
AT THE BULLDOGS: 102 average metres, 46 minutes per game, 0.66 tackle busts per game, 53 games, 4 tries, 2.2 missed tackles per game, 4 games out suspended
 

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Not if Storm beat us by a Margin of 50+ and Raiders lose by less than 2 points

Don't see the Storm putting more than 30ish on us though

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Sharks & Raiders both win their games but Raiders win their game by a 50 point superior margin to ours

won't happen but it's possible

This doesn't cover the scenario fully. Since we are covering all of the "won't actually happen, but possible" scenarios...

If the Raiders win by exactly 49 points more than the Sharks (e.g. Raiders win by 50 and the Sharks win by 1) the actual number of points scored will also matter.

- If the Raiders score 1-38 points more than the Sharks, the f/a will be identical and the Sharks will have the better points % (e.g. Raiders win 50-0 and Sharks win 12-11)
- If the Raiders score 40+ points more than the Sharks, the f/a will be identical, but the Raiders will have the better points % (e.g Raiders win 50-0 and the Sharks win 10-9)

...and my personal favourite, a Raiders win by exactly 49 points more than the Sharks, while scoring exactly 39 points more than them (e.g. Raiders win 50-0 and Sharks win 11-10) would leave the teams on identical f/a AND identical points %... and 8th place in the finals would be decided by the toss of a coin!

There is also a possibility of both teams losing, and the Titans joining in for 3-way toss-off.

we really owe the Tigers a slab for that gimme the other week

Make it two mate. Thank them again for dumping that dead weight Fifita on us.
 

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I know Napa is being discussed as a rumour so just seen this and thought I would post it here. I wouldn’t be disappointed if we signed him, I think he would come reasonably cheap and probably be that perfect impact middle off the bench for us

NAPA’S CAREER
AT THE ROOSTERS 94 average metres, 47 minutes per game, 0.83 tackle busts per game, 122 games, 2 tries, 1.8 missed tackles per game, 6 games out suspended
AT THE BULLDOGS: 102 average metres, 46 minutes per game, 0.66 tackle busts per game, 53 games, 4 tries, 2.2 missed tackles per game, 4 games out suspended

I think his attitude sucks. Just doesn’t seem to give enough of a **** anymore. Also has off field issues including covid breaches. So i’d pass thanks.
 

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This doesn't cover the scenario fully. Since we are covering all of the "won't actually happen, but possible" scenarios...

If the Raiders win by exactly 49 points more than the Sharks (e.g. Raiders win by 50 and the Sharks win by 1) the actual number of points scored will also matter.

- If the Raiders score 1-38 points more than the Sharks, the f/a will be identical and the Sharks will have the better points % (e.g. Raiders win 50-0 and Sharks win 12-11)
- If the Raiders score 40+ points more than the Sharks, the f/a will be identical, but the Raiders will have the better points % (e.g Raiders win 50-0 and the Sharks win 10-9)

...and my personal favourite, a Raiders win by exactly 49 points more than the Sharks, while scoring exactly 39 points more than them (e.g. Raiders win 50-0 and Sharks win 11-10) would leave the teams on identical f/a AND identical points %... and 8th place in the finals would be decided by the toss of a coin!

There is also a possibility of both teams losing, and the Titans joining in for 3-way toss-off.



Make it two mate. Thank them again for dumping that dead weight Fifita on us.

We should have already moved Wade into the bubble if we are serious about this coin toss

I think his attitude sucks. Just doesn’t seem to give enough of a **** anymore. Also has off field issues including covid breaches. So i’d pass thanks.

Anymore compared to when? When he made less meters back at the Roosters but with a better squad around him and thus less personal expectation?
I don't especially want Napa either but those STATS actually look okay for him. How does he celebrate a team try? Unfortunately not too many examples available to review....
 

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Politis lashes NRL, warns fans will walk
Scott Bailey
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Wed, 1 September 2021 3:28PM

Sydney Roosters supremo Nick Politis has lashed the NRL over the state of the competition, the game's most powerful club boss warning fans will stop watching if rules aren't wound back.

The first full year of set restarts has resulted in the highest-scoring season in 20 years, with average margins also at the highest level since the Super League war.

The Roosters remain one of the clubs largely benefiting from the faster game, with the likes of James Tedesco keeping them in the hunt despite a multitude of injuries.

But Politis remains unimpressed.

The long-time Roosters chairman said the game was nothing like it was in decades gone by, and claimed fans of many teams would lose hope next season if set restart rules didn't go away.

"I think (the product) is worse," Politis told Roosters Radio.

"If you're a fan of one of those eight teams at the bottom without attacking players, I think their fans are going to get really pissed off and turn off the TV.

"You can't keep watching your team keep losing by 30 or 40 or 50 or 60 points week after week.

"That's the thing I am always arguing with the NRL, we need to go back to the game we've had, and had for over 100 years."

In a record-breaking season of rugby league, Melbourne are on the verge of the greatest points-scoring year of all time while also becoming the first team to pass 40 at least 10 times.

Manly's back three have also set try-scoring records, while South Sydney became the first team in history to score 30 points in eight straight games.

But there has been another side to those figures.

For the first time in history, two sides will qualify for the finals with a negative for-and-against.

Average margins have this year have blown out to beyond three converted tries for the first time in the NRL-era, surpassing the mark of 16.8 from 2002.

Round 16 was the most lopsided in two decades, prompting ARL Commission chairman Peter V'landys to launch an impassioned defence of the game's rules.

At the time, V'landys claimed it was on struggling clubs to adapt to the rules given the game had merely taken away their chance to slow down the ruck and create a stop-start game.

NRL CEO Andrew Abdo also said over the weekend that the game was in a consolidation phase with rules, after a fan survey showed 65 per cent of respondents thought the speed was "just right".

But Politis isn't convinced battling teams will adapt.

"If we don't go back to where we were and change some of those rules back, right now we can all predict next year's outcome," he said.

"The same three or four or five clubs will be at the top. There won't be a change.

"Most the clubs don't have those attacking players, there's not enough of those players to go around for all 16 clubs competitive with the new rules.
 
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“For the first time in history, two sides will qualify for the finals with a negative for-and-against.”

Bit presumptuous that statement.

With Melbourne resting players plus possibly more if Jacks and Johns play, we could win by 25 points or more which would put our F/A at +1.

It’s not a likely scenario but it is possible therefore another NRL scribe hasn’t done his homework properly.
 

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I think the NRL has it wrong by speeding up the game to fatigue players, I would instead increase game time by stopping clock as soon as a try is awarded or referred to bunker and not commenced until the kick-off. This saves 1 minute per try in wasted time. Pre the new rule, I would have said same when ball kicked into touch and a scrum formed. When touchie raised flag, time off and scrum clock starts and time on when scrum fed. **** the wasted time and make them play the full 80min.
 

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I think the NRL has it wrong by speeding up the game to fatigue players, I would instead increase game time by stopping clock as soon as a try is awarded and not commenced until the kick-off. This saves 1 minute per try in wasted time. Pre the new rule, I would have said same when ball kicked into touch and a scrum formed. When touchie raised flag, time off and scrum clock starts and time on when scrum fed. **** the wasted time and make them play the full 80min.

Well the trialed a new ‘instant held’ rule in one of our games and now the ref has to retire so clearly that wasn’t the option.

Issue with your plan is whether it fits in the tv time slots or not, sounds like it’s cutting out advertising time!
 

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Well the trialed a new ‘instant held’ rule in one of our games and now the ref has to retire so clearly that wasn’t the option.

Issue with your plan is whether it fits in the tv time slots or not, sounds like it’s cutting out advertising time!

Start 1st game 15mins early and cut the pre game bull**** in double header.

EDIT - They can safely now throw in an adv after every try as clock stopped. They have 45 secs to throw one in whilst goalkicker lining up shot.
 

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I think the NRL has it wrong by speeding up the game to fatigue players, I would instead increase game time by stopping clock as soon as a try is awarded or referred to bunker and not commenced until the kick-off. This saves 1 minute per try in wasted time. Pre the new rule, I would have said same when ball kicked into touch and a scrum formed. When touchie raised flag, time off and scrum clock starts and time on when scrum fed. **** the wasted time and make them play the full 80min.

They haven't. It's not faster.
 

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Well the trialed a new ‘instant held’ rule in one of our games and now the ref has to retire so clearly that wasn’t the option.

Issue with your plan is whether it fits in the tv time slots or not, sounds like it’s cutting out advertising time!

I like the idea of this new rule and think we could work around the loss of advertising space by replacing the kicking tee with a KFC bucket
 

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a 3 way toss off?

LOL I reckon Raiders have it covered

but if they don't will Ricky abuse the coin in a presser and risk the 20 cent fine?

it really should go further down to most try's scored ect in event of a deadlock for 8th. A coin toss is bs hahaha and the sort of rule that would be immediately controversial and changed for the following season after all the complaints

I guess the lesson is don't have such a **** season you are in that position!
 

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a 3 way toss off?

LOL I reckon Raiders have it covered

but if they don't will Ricky abuse the coin in a presser and risk the 20 cent fine?

it really should go further down to most try's scored ect in event of a deadlock for 8th. A coin toss is bs hahaha and the sort of rule that would be immediately controversial and changed for the following season after all the complaints

I guess the lesson is don't have such a **** season you are in that position!

It actually does. It goes...

f/a
percentage (which is just a fancy way of saying "whoever scored more points")
tries scored
coin toss

In my crazy scenario, the tries are even too :)
 

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Does he offer much more than Tolman? Might cost a little more coming from a higher ranked team.
Is a bit bigger than Tolman which I don't hate, Tolman a bit fitter although we may not really need that with McInnes and Finucane having good minutes in them.

I reckon a bit of size would be nice .
Tolman was handy in defence .
McInnes and Finucane BOTH not huge , but keep will keep the middle defence tight instead.
Although granted it isn't a big upgrade.


Mark Nicholls
Rugby league rugby prop
Born: 5 January 1990 (age 31 years), Wagga Wagga
Height: 194 cm (6 ft 4 in)
Weight: 104 kg
Position: Prop


Aiden Tolman
Rugby league rugby prop
Born: 10 November 1988 (age 32 years), Kempsey
Height: 183 cm.
Weight: 102 kg (16 st 1 lb)
Position: Prop
 
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I reckon a bit of size would be nice .
Tolman was handy in defence .
McInnes and Finucane BOTH not huge , but keep will keep the middle defence tight instead.
Although granted it isn't a big upgrade.


Mark Nicholls
Rugby league rugby prop
Born: 5 January 1990 (age 31 years), Wagga Wagga
Height: 194 cm (6 ft 4 in)
Weight: 104 kg
Position: Prop


Aiden Tolman
Rugby league rugby prop
Born: 10 November 1988 (age 32 years), Kempsey
Height: 183 cm.
Weight: 102 kg (16 st 1 lb)
Position: Prop

Really Egg? Have you seen Dale Finucane close up? I have. Now I am 6ft 4 and weigh 140kg and he made me look really small.
 
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