Official 2024 Sharks NRL General Discussion

Western Sharkie · Apr 18, 2024

BurgoShark said:
Hess playing 13?

Did you get your wish?

BurgoShark · Apr 18, 2024

bort said:
They count scrum feeds as a touch? I can't refute that but it doesn't seem like it should be the case. Ball is effectively not live until they release it.

Maybe not. It might be the diving an a loose ball and tapping the ball in to touch which they don't count... because on countback my numbers don't line up with theirs perfectly so he could have had 1-2 more touches depending on what gets counted.

In any case it's fairly evident from where, when and how often he is involved in the attack that he is playing second fiddle.

Sir Chadley · Apr 22, 2024

So with this great victory yesterday and only one blemish on our record for 2024, are we ready to take it to the big boys yet?

We all know that while we are happy with the way we are playing at the moment, the Panthers, the Storm and the Broncos are different beasts to what we have met so far.

So do we need to do anything differently to overcome them? Or is our present style going to be enough to stifle them. We know we don't have the X factor players these teams have so how do we make up for this?

apezza · Apr 22, 2024

Sir Chadley said:
So with this great victory yesterday and only one blemish on our record for 2024, are we ready to take it to the big boys yet?

We all know that while we are happy with the way we are playing at the moment, the Panthers, the Storm and the Broncos are different beasts to what we have met so far.

So do we need to do anything differently to overcome them? Or is our present style going to be enough to stifle them. We know we don't have the X factor players these teams have so how do we make up for this?

I feel our general position play / attack is good enough to hold our own.

I don't think we have been tested enough in defence on our line against top opposition.

I still get nervous on our line up the middle and rushing in out wide.

Proud Shark · Apr 22, 2024

I don't think we've really come up against a side that is consistently good yet, so we haven't had to perform under that pressure. Warriors game would have been the closest. Souths, Cows and Raiders all had periods where they were poor/clocked off. We won't get that against the big sides.

High completions will give us a chance, but if we give up soft penalties and six agains we'll he punished.

Storm, Panthers, Roosters, Parra, Broncos in a 5 week block. I'd expect us to win against the eels, but we need to knock off one of the others at full strength.

Proud Shark · Apr 22, 2024

Looking more closely, we likely get Penrith and Broncos in origin affected games.

Makes the Storm and Roosters games so important. Must win 1/2 and not get blown out in the other IMO. Will be so important for our later season confidence.

Sir Chadley · Apr 22, 2024

Proud Shark said:
Looking more closely, we likely get Penrith and Broncos in origin affected games.

Makes the Storm and Roosters games so important. Must win 1/2 and not get blown out in the other IMO. Will be so important for our later season confidence.

Don't think we do with the Panthers mate, we play them on May 25th, SOO I is on June 5 so the Penrith players that may be selected can play against us. It would be the game against the Dragons on June 1 where they will need to stand down players.

Against the Broncos it would only be if players can't back up from Game 1.

Proud Shark · Apr 22, 2024

Sir Chadley said:
Don't think we do with the Panthers mate, we play them on May 25th, SOO I is on June 5 so the Penrith players that may be selected can play against us. It would be the game against the Dragons on June 1 where they will need to stand down players.

Against the Broncos it would only be if players can't back up from Game 1.

My apologies, you're right. That's actually a good thing. I'd rather have them full strength given our draw. Parra is the origin affected game then.

Blue_Eyes84 · Apr 22, 2024

I think the current culture at the club is the best it's been. Everyone seems to be on the same page.

Flanno · Apr 22, 2024

“NRL head of football Graham Annesley has confirmed Panthers halfback Brad Schneider should have been sent to the sin bin for a deliberate ankle tap on Justin Olam which denied a try.”

Thanks captain Einstein! Seriously do we need Graham coming out every Monday stating the obvious, such a pointless exercise

Wizard · Apr 22, 2024

Flanno said:
“NRL head of football Graham Annesley has confirmed Panthers halfback Brad Schneider should have been sent to the sin bin for a deliberate ankle tap on Justin Olam which denied a try.”

Thanks captain Einstein! Seriously do we need Graham coming out every Monday stating the obvious, such a pointless exercise

That was such a devilish but smart play

Sparkles · Apr 22, 2024

Flanno said:
“NRL head of football Graham Annesley has confirmed Panthers halfback Brad Schneider should have been sent to the sin bin for a deliberate ankle tap on Justin Olam which denied a try.”

Thanks captain Einstein! Seriously do we need Graham coming out every Monday stating the obvious, such a pointless exercise

Why don't they just put Annesley in the bunker? He has a 100% record in the tough calls

Sparkles · Apr 22, 2024

Proud Shark said:
I don't think we've really come up against a side that is consistently good yet, so we haven't had to perform under that pressure. Warriors game would have been the closest. Souths, Cows and Raiders all had periods where they were poor/clocked off. We won't get that against the big sides.

High completions will give us a chance, but if we give up soft penalties and six agains we'll he punished.

Storm, Panthers, Roosters, Parra, Broncos in a 5 week block. I'd expect us to win against the eels, but we need to knock off one of the others at full strength.

I think every team has shown a case of the wobbles at some point this season. It's more which version will you get on the night (of the Sharks and the opposition)

HaroldBishop · Apr 22, 2024

Third best defence with 100 points conceded. Penrith (92) and Storm (98) only marginally better.

Western Sharkie · Apr 22, 2024

Proud Shark said:
My apologies, you're right. That's actually a good thing. I'd rather have them full strength given our draw. Parra is the origin affected game then.

The way they are going (and Moses’ injury), unlikely

BurgoShark · Apr 23, 2024

HaroldBishop said:
Third best defence with 100 points conceded. Penrith (92) and Storm (98) only marginally better.

Couple of interesting things in the most recent EyeTest article. It is focused on different teams, but there are a couple of Sharks notes.

EyeTest runs a metric called Expected Points. In short, this is "what is the league average for points scored when a team has this type of possession and field position".

The Sharks in 2024:

Have scored 40% more points than expected (4th in the NRL) (Broncos first at 57%)
Have conceded 25% less points than expected (1st) (Bulldogs second at 13%)

The reasons for these things are open to interpretation/speculation, but in general:

Scoring more points than expected would usually be an indicator of either a very high strike rate in the attacking end and/or scoring a lot of long range tries or from kicks and broken play (e.g. intercepts).
Conceding less points than expected would usually be an indicator of good goal line defence and/or conceding very few tries from kicks, long range and broken play

While it may not be in the same format, this data is definitely something that is covered by analytics and that coaches pay attention to. It was mentioned by Bennett after playing the Broncos that they score a lot of tries in breakdown situations.

apezza · Apr 23, 2024

BurgoShark said:
Couple of interesting things in the most recent EyeTest article. It is focused on different teams, but there are a couple of Sharks notes.

EyeTest runs a metric called Expected Points. In short, this is "what is the league average for points scored when a team has this type of possession and field position".

The Sharks in 2024:

Have scored 40% more points than expected (4th in the NRL) (Broncos first at 57%)

Have conceded 25% less points than expected (1st) (Bulldogs second at 13%)

The reasons for these things are open to interpretation/speculation, but in general:

Scoring more points than expected would usually be an indicator of either a very high strike rate in the attacking end and/or scoring a lot of long range tries or from kicks and broken play (e.g. intercepts).

Conceding less points than expected would usually be an indicator of good goal line defence and/or conceding very few tries from kicks, long range and broken play

While it may not be in the same format, this data is definitely something that is covered by analytics and that coaches pay attention to. It was mentioned by Bennett after playing the Broncos that they score a lot of tries in breakdown situations.

It there a metric called "Expect the Unexpected"?

I would like to know beforehand if we are going to get blind sided like the game against the Tigers so I can do something else on the night!

Sparkles · Apr 23, 2024

apezza said:
It there a metric called "Expect the Unexpected"?

I would like to know beforehand if we are going to get blind sided like the game against the Tigers so I can do something else on the night!

I'd personally like to know which players have their eyes up for the most minutes while playing footy

apezza · Apr 23, 2024

Sparkles said:
I'd personally like to know which players have their eyes up for the most minutes while playing footy

The closest I can get to on this one is knowing which refs have their eyes painted on the most.

BurgoShark · Apr 23, 2024

apezza said:
The closest I can get to on this one is knowing which refs have their eyes painted on the most.

100% of them?

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