Yes I asked them to understand what they see and put it in a comment. How outrageousYou asked for a little more than that:
Yes I asked them to understand what they see and put it in a comment. How outrageousYou asked for a little more than that:
I watched him closely at two live games last year, in attack he'd set up a bit behind the line and then sweep into the backline from the back, that was pretty standard. I never saw him push up through the middle though.I wasn't referring to anyone specifically, which is why I didn't quote or tag anyone.
What is he usually doing when he should - per comments on here - be supporting the runner for an offload?
I don't know what the answer is, hopefully something useful like setting up or being ready in backlines.
I know and agree what he is not doing, which was being spoken about. I am wondering what he is doing instead.
I understand seeing BB scoot from DH & no one is within cooee. I understand seeing a set straight up the middle & not noticing WK sniffing around very often.Yes I asked them to understand what they see and put it in a comment. How outrageous
I doubt it’s a fitness issue, although he does lack the top class acceleration to get to these opportunities like some of the guys who always seem to pop up can. Without that he can’t really be positioned for the sweep and push up the middle.I watched him closely at two live games last year, in attack he'd set up a bit behind the line and then sweep into the backline from the back, that was pretty standard. I never saw him push up through the middle though.
I don't know if that's instructions from Fitz or not being fit? I must admit, he often looks pretty gassed to me....not saying that's the reason.
What else exactly is he up to? I don't care. Is WK not doing his job or is it coach's orders? I don't know
For sure. It's definitely frustrating when Blayke makes a scoot and there's no one there....rarely anyway.I doubt it’s a fitness issue, although he does lack the top class acceleration to get to these opportunities like some of the guys who always seem to pop up can. Without that he can’t really be positioned for the sweep and push up the middle.
Sounds like he’s playing more like a half in the backline during these times - presumably that’d be what coach is happy with. I def understand the criticism though.
Would be nice to have one of him/Trindall/Hynes/Blayke always in position to take advantage of a scoot or offload. Many of our players could probably push up/support better tbh.
WK setting up more like a half does position us well to quickly spread from an offload which can be highly effective but doesn’t work if nobody is taking on the initial opportunity.
You said Teddy and Turbo push up through the middle. Are you talking about inside their own half? I definitely haven't noticed that. Those teams definitely run set plays for those guys through the ruck at times but that's not support play.in attack he'd set up a bit behind the line and then sweep into the backline from the back, that was pretty standard. I never saw him push up through the middle though.
You have to admit though that fullbacks with different body shapes get used differently. Coming out of trouble there is no way WK, Walsh, Drinky and Campbell are under the same instructions as Mitchell, Turbo, Teddy and Edwards. Coaches DO give fullbacks different instructions on different teams; it is plausible that the coach wants WK to play differently that how the fans want him to.WK not doing his job or is it coach's orders? I don't know but really hope its not the latter.
Which player am I criticizing now??Someone, not specifically you, to closely watch a player they are criticising?
That is some bullshit by forum standards, I agree
I don't need 3 paragraphs to explain I don't know. On whether it's by instructions or not how could I know?Glad you joined the conversation with this fascinating insight
Not reading the game maybe?Anticipation maybe not his strong suit.
Unless it's because he's in position for an upcoming play. Those sweeps actually start pretty deep, with the fullback as far opposite as the other side of the ruck at times. It's pretty much our preferred play. Or a push on a shorter side with quick hands to the edge. That's a gameplan. Not sure if it's ours or not.I understand seeing BB scoot from DH & no one is within cooee. I understand seeing a set straight up the middle & not noticing WK sniffing around very often.
What else exactly is he up to? I don't care. Is WK not doing his job or is it coach's orders? I don't know but really hope its not the latter.
Surely not!You said Teddy and Turbo push up through the middle. Are you talking about inside their own half? I definitely haven't noticed that. Those teams definitely run set plays for those guys through the ruck at times but that's not support play.
I reckon those two (and most fullbacks) play like you have described here when they are coming out of their own end.
You have to admit though that fullbacks with different body shapes get used differently. Coming out of trouble there is no way WK, Walsh, Drinky and Campbell are under the same instructions as Mitchell, Turbo, Teddy and Edwards. Coaches DO give fullbacks different instructions on different teams; it is plausible that the coach wants WK to play differently that how the fans want him to.
They all sniff around the ruck mate, even lazy guts Trell. Campbell smallest, Trell probably biggest on that list & Campbell does more returning & get out work so I don't think its body shapes.You have to admit though that fullbacks with different body shapes get used differently. Coming out of trouble there is no way WK, Walsh, Drinky and Campbell are under the same instructions as Mitchell, Turbo, Teddy and Edwards. Coaches DO give fullbacks different instructions on different teams; it is plausible that the coach wants WK to play differently that how the fans want him to.
I'm thinking you're right. I'd say speed & fitness biggest factors. I don't question WK's attitude.Maybe the difference between a Paps or Drinky is that these guys seems to be able to support through the middle then join into one of those plays. Is that fitness, speed, or both? Attitude? Just what defines an elite fullback?
They definitely support up the middle mate, have 100% seen it before.You said Teddy and Turbo push up through the middle. Are you talking about inside their own half? I definitely haven't noticed that. Those teams definitely run set plays for those guys through the ruck at times but that's not support play.
I reckon those two (and most fullbacks) play like you have described here when they are coming out of their own end.
Are you seeking recommendations?Which player am I criticizing now??
Conveniently nobody specifically asked you for that, you can solve your own problem here.I don't need 3 paragraphs to explain I don't know.
Nice graphs and statsUnless it's because he's in position for an upcoming play. Those sweeps actually start pretty deep, with the fullback as far opposite as the other side of the ruck at times. It's pretty much our preferred play. Or a push on a shorter side with quick hands to the edge. That's a gameplan. Not sure if it's ours or not.
Maybe the difference between a Paps or Drinky is that these guys seems to be able to support through the middle then join into one of those plays. Is that fitness, speed, or both? Attitude? Just what defines an elite fullback?
?Nice graphs and stats
Yes plsAre you seeking recommendations?
It's still not positioning that is the issue though. Watch 5 minutes of WK on a yardage set where nothing interesting happens and you'll see a carbon copy of a dozen other NRL fullbacks, aside from the bigger ones taking more hit-ups and the smaller ones more than likely playing dummy half on early tackles or running a decoy.They definitely support up the middle mate, have 100% seen it before.
Agree there's more of a plan for them to take hit ups in the middle which is to be expected with their bigger bodies.