Signings/Re-Signings 2020

Tiger Shark said:

Sharks have stopped paying Xerri as of November 1st, it's sitting in a holding account till this is over. If he gets off (ha yeah right) then he gets paid.

I think we could have stopped paying him a while ago but guess we're nice. Probably helps to not burn that bridge either, if he gets a reduced sentence like Jack just got he could be back before his 21. That's younger than Ferris is now.

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Will be interesting to see if he's any good off the roids.

Trindall confirmed. Looks like a one year deal. So much for leaving, good news.

Lots of 1 year signings

puma1355 said:

Lots of 1 year signings

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You can't back end deals and our money has been freed up yet.

Plus Trindall couldn't get an offer anywhere else so locking him in for 4 years would be pretty questionable

bort said:

You can't back end deals and our money has been freed up yet.

Plus Trindall couldn't get an offer anywhere else so locking him in for 4 years would be pretty questionable

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Yes, you can. Lots of players have back-ended deals. For example, the several Sharks players who deferred payments to help the cap have effectively re-negotiated their contract to become back-loaded.

This assumption/misunderstanding seems to pop up from time to time on this forum. It's just not true. There are limits to the back/front loading of a contract but some variation year to year is common.

I think there's a limit in percentage to how much that deal might be back ended.

For example it can be 200k, 250k, 300k but 200k, 500k isn't allowed.

Not sure what that limit is though

bort said:

Another guy who should be contract status unknown I guess is that Ryan Rivett?

Worth noting also that at this stage Bronson is still very much considered in our top 30 as far as I am aware so we have just one open spot currently.
It's therefore probably reasonably unlikely we will sign any more top 30 players before Bronson is off the list.

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The club added the following comment to the Trindall re-signing announcement - so as discussed Xerri does not count in the squad.

"With his re-signing Trindall becomes the 28th player on the Sharks top 30 roster, leaving two places to fill for 2021."

burgess1978 said:

Yes, you can. Lots of players have back-ended deals. For example, the several Sharks players who deferred payments to help the cap have effectively re-negotiated their contract to become back-loaded.

This assumption/misunderstanding seems to pop up from time to time on this forum. It's just not true. There are limits to the back/front loading of a contract but some variation year to year is common.

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Okay sure, what I meant was the NRL does not want to approve significantly back ended deals, not that nobody can ever have an extra dollar on year two than they had on year one.

Renegotiating an existing contract is a bit different and probably looked on a bit more favourably than many back ended deals.
For example if Josh Dugan moved from 850kx4 to 850k, 750k, 950k, 850k or something that is very different to signing a new player for like 600k, 800k, 1m, 1m. Especially when both your contract offer and players market value suggest that 600k is well below their worth. Just because a players contract may look 'back-ended' also doesn't necessarily mean that is what the intention was either. For example small staggered rises for a young player in anticipation of expected rise in value are very different again to forking out **** all to lure a suddenly off contract star to your team before you can afford them by making it up to them later.

The information that has been suggested is that we lodged a back ended deal for Rudolf which was rejected by the NRL so we have signed him for just one year with a handshake agreement to give him a longer better deal soon.
Quite possibly also the same thing for Talakai even though he sold it well by saying he wanted a 1 year deal to stay hungry.

burgess1978 said:

The club added the following comment to the Trindall re-signing announcement - so as discussed Xerri does not count in the squad.

"With his re-signing Trindall becomes the 28th player on the Sharks top 30 roster, leaving two places to fill for 2021."

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So if he is found innocent what happens to his contract, his top 30 spot and the money we are supposedly holding for him?
Presumably all straight away becomes money spent on cap and top 30 spot assigned which makes it questionable whether we can fill that spot or spend that money before we have a definitive answer on him.

bort said:

So if he is found innocent what happens to his contract, his top 30 spot and the money we are supposedly holding for him?
Presumably all straight away becomes money spent on cap and top 30 spot assigned which makes it questionable whether we can fill that spot or spend that money before we have a definitive answer on him.

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I reckon they'll take the squad to 29 max, and the 30th spot will go to either Xerri (if cleared) or Ferris (if not).

bort said:

Another guy who should be contract status unknown I guess is that Ryan Rivett?

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As spotted by you, and discussed in the player ID thread, Ryan Rivett is training with the team.

Have just listened to this podcast with Ryan Rivett from October.
https://american-podcasts.com/podcast/42-podcast/ryan-rivett

It was originally reported that he would stay with Burleigh for 2021, but he has said in this interview...

- He is signed for 3 years
- He moved to Sydney on 22 November
- He will do the pre-season and then go down to train with the Jersey Flegg team for 2021
- He is born May 2002, so will be eligible for SG Ball (19's) in 2021, but he expects to be playing Jersey Flegg (21's)
- He will be full time with the NRL squad for 2022 and 2023

stormshark said:

Any idea on Height/Weight?

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Before you ask, he said in the podcast that he is 6'1 and 85kg

Cheers for the link. Have to give it a listen

Good that we have re-signed Trindall officially but why did we only do it for a year, we'll have to do it all again next year now if they want to keep him again. Any reason in particular it was only for a year anyone know?

sharkboy18 said:

Good that we have re-signed Trindall officially but why did we only do it for a year, we'll have to do it all again next year now if they want to keep him again. Any reason in particular it was only for a year anyone know?

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Didn't want to stay at the club to be behind Chad in the first place, no point signing him to a longer deal at this point, especially not worth tying up unnecessary money for 2022 until we make out big market moves

sharkboy18 said:

Good that we have re-signed Trindall officially but why did we only do it for a year, we'll have to do it all again next year now if they want to keep him again. Any reason in particular it was only for a year anyone know?

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No one else wanted him, why commit to him for longer than necessary?

HaroldBishop said:

No one else wanted him, why commit to him for longer than necessary?

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no one wanted chad and we gave him 34 years with 28 player options

snowman said:

no one wanted chad and we gave him 34 years with 28 player options

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Yep, that wasn't a good decision.

snowman said:

no one wanted chad and we gave him 34 years with 28 player options

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I'm a Bomber supporter but the Chad deal had me scratching my head. I figured Bomber must see something in Chad that myself, and lots of others, don't see. If only he could play as well as he thinks he can, he would be an asset.

Cage said:

I'm a Bomber supporter but the Chad deal had me scratching my head. I figured Bomber must see something in Chad that myself, and lots of others, don't see. If only he could play as well as he thinks he can, he would be an asset.

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It's not just Bomber doing these deals yeah. Grant Jones and Phil Moss would have had their hands all over it. As well as approval by Dino/board too. There's a committee that discuss and ratify these deals.

FTR I'm not a fan of the extension, only thing I can think of why they did it was that we asked him to offset some of his wage to other years to help our cap out and for that he got an extension. But blame isn't purely on Bomber. Sure he would have likely championed it but if others didn't want to it wouldn't have happened.

Tiger Shark said:

It's not just Bomber doing these deals yeah. Grant Jones and Phil Moss would have had their hands all over it. As well as approval by Dino/board too. There's a committee that discuss and ratify these deals.

FTR I'm not a fan of the extension, only thing I can think of why they did it was that we asked him to offset some of his wage to other years to help our cap out and for that he got an extension. But blame isn't purely on Bomber. Sure he would have likely championed it but if others didn't want to it wouldn't have happened.

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That might all be true but we're kidding ourselves if the head coach isn't taking say 75 -90% of the blame.

Tiger Shark said:

It's not just Bomber doing these deals yeah. Grant Jones and Phil Moss would have had their hands all over it. As well as approval by Dino/board too. There's a committee that discuss and ratify these deals.

FTR I'm not a fan of the extension, only thing I can think of why they did it was that we asked him to offset some of his wage to other years to help our cap out and for that he got an extension. But blame isn't purely on Bomber. Sure he would have likely championed it but if others didn't want to it wouldn't have happened.

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I reckon your second paragraph is bang on the money ...