Winning Culture

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Thought I might start a topic on winning culture within clubs.
Not to rub it in that the Sharks have an empty cabinet, But to find out if there is such thing as a winning culture or is it just a matter of good managment and luck.

Here is an article that demonstrates a winning culture from one of the most succesfull clubs of the last 40years.


Barry Nelson in 1990 said:

"We are planning again, based on a formula that worked for us in the past - a plan based on youth and the Bulldog spirit.

"We at Canterbury are embarking on a program that we feel is not only in the best interests of the club but one that will continue to make us one of the game's most successful clubs.

"In the late 1970s, we began a youth program which produced such notables as the Mortimers and Hughes brothers, George Peponis, Greg Brentnall, Stan Cutler, Chris Anderson and so many others.

"We invested in these players and the dividends were still being paid more than a decade later. They became young men dedicated to our Bulldog cause.

"As The Bulldog Story makes clear, there is much to live up to. Our men of the past have donethis club proud, and I don't mean just the players and committeemen. I mean all those men and women who have given so much time and heart and soul to making Canterbury achievers.

"For the modern Bulldogs, it is time to remember. This is a proud club, as The Bulldog Story relates. In the modern era, we have been winners, but it was not always so and it must be remembered that this book is as much for those who did not win premierships as those who did.

"I can only add that the story of the Bulldogs will never end. There is still much to achieve. We look with pride at our past and hope in our future. I honestly believe our timing is right ... again."
 

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there was no salary cap in the 1970s. If clubs invest too heavily in their juniors now they'll just be poached by other clubs offering more money
 

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honestly i think u should go and post that **** in the bulldogs forum not here.no offence but i couldnt care less about the bulldogs culture. anyone else here agree? or do u likes like the topic?
 

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honestly i think u should go and post that **** in the bulldogs forum not here.no offence but i couldnt care less about the bulldogs culture. anyone else here agree? or do u likes like the topic?

its not a bad topic, seeing as tho about 50% of shire residents barrack for another team, which has become really disappointing. kids these days have no reason to go for the sharks, thats why they are turning to teams who can win like roosters, bulldogs and dragons.

we need to do so much more, especially for the young kids so we can create a generation of die hard sharks supporters. aim the advertising at the young kids. get players to coach kids and teach them about the sharky spirit from kindergarden. leauge in the shire is dying
 

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Personally I think Parko 100% on the money here. As for the original post well frankly you can take your Bulldogs culture to Coffs Harbour and remind the rest of us just what kind of hero's you guys support
 

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very true.. but i live in parramatta and there is no way in hell i would support them..
 

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Personally I think Parko 100% on the money here. As for the original post well frankly you can take your Bulldogs culture to Coffs Harbour and remind the rest of us just what kind of hero's you guys support

Yeah look that is fair enough.

As a matter of fact this has been put on the kennel. That is where I got it from.

The fact that I posted it here was not an attempt to antagonise any sharks fans.

Mate I love the sharks (not as much as the bulldogs). I want to see the sharks become a real force in the NRL, just as much as you do.

I was trying to spark discussion about the topic of winning culture and if it is fact or fiction. The reason behinf posting the bulldog article was an example to support the culture being created. I not suggesting its correct. Just creating discussion.

Please ignore the fact it is a Bulldog story. Just apply the logic behind it. The team is irrelevent really.

Answer this question.

Do you think there is a winning culture existing in some clubs and not in others?
 

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Fair enough Sandman. I love the Sharks but I am no Bulldogs fan sorry.

In answering your question I think every club endeavours to create a culture to succeed. Its the methods used to achieve it that separates the clubs and the fans. Take Manly in the past. Buying premierships was the culture and the silvertails were masters at it. Sure they have a healthy war cabinet but do they have respect within the Rugby league community for how they went about it (particularly in the 70's)? I think not outside of Brooky. IMO it comes down to how clubs develop and what they stand for. I have been an avid Sharks fan despite cobwebs in the trophy cabinet. Sure I'd love them to win the comp but what I love about the Sharks has been their efforts to grow local talent not buy comps. There are a handful of clubs that take this aspect of Rugby League seriously and they have all fed Talent into the ARL / NRL. That to me is winning culture mate.
 

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Fair enough Sandman. I love the Sharks but I am no Bulldogs fan sorry.

In answering your question I think every club endeavours to create a culture to succeed. Its the methods used to achieve it that separates the clubs and the fans. Take Manly in the past. Buying premierships was the culture and the silvertails were masters at it. Sure they have a healthy war cabinet but do they have respect within the Rugby league community for how they went about it (particularly in the 70's)? I think not outside of Brooky. IMO it comes down to how clubs develop and what they stand for. I have been an avid Sharks fan despite cobwebs in the trophy cabinet. Sure I'd love them to win the comp but what I love about the Sharks has been their efforts to grow local talent not buy comps. There are a handful of clubs that take this aspect of Rugby League seriously and they have all fed Talent into the ARL / NRL. That to me is winning culture mate.

That is an awsome way to look at it. well done buddy.

I was thinking a little inside the box. More along the lines of premierships.

But your right, what is a winner and what is a loser realy,

You have opened up a can of worms there.
 

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Personally I think Parko 100% on the money here. As for the original post well frankly you can take your Bulldogs culture to Coffs Harbour and remind the rest of us just what kind of hero's you guys support

What a clown..stop beleiving everything u hear ...maybe yoru sharks boys are all clean aye.......MMMMi can tell ya there not

Not called grubs for nothing some of those sharks players are they
 

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Now there is an example of the mentality that separates some DOG fans from rational human beings. Hope you don't sit next to that idiot at the Doggys games.
 

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Better to not say anything. In future I will ignore the tosser and not waste my energy. Must say though things are starting to take shape at belmore for next year. You have to be happy with that. Who is next to be announced?
 

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What a clown..stop beleiving everything u hear ...maybe yoru sharks boys are all clean aye.......MMMMi can tell ya there not

Not called grubs for nothing some of those sharks players are they

the sharkies players MAY in fact not be squecky clean, but im fairly sure none of them have ever been accused of sexual assault while out with teamates or anything of that sort
 

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What a clown..stop beleiving everything u hear ...maybe yoru sharks boys are all clean aye.......MMMMi can tell ya there not

Not called grubs for nothing some of those sharks players are they

theres that stupid word again
 

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Better to not say anything. In future I will ignore the tosser and not waste my energy. Must say though things are starting to take shape at belmore for next year. You have to be happy with that. Who is next to be announced?

Mate they are telling me Ennis will follow Hannet.

I not getting to excited till it happens.

Yeah mate, look the way I see it is, I am going to enjoy every win we get this year. Good the bad and the ugly.

I cant see us doing alot this year, with the personel we have lost and an ever growing injury toll.

I look forward to whats ahead for our club, I hoping to get our winning cultur back:topic
 

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and on winning culture, i think it plays a really small part in whether a team is succcessful or not. the teams that win comps have terrific sides with top quality players. the likes of the broncos, storm etc have about 6 or 7 genuine star players.
i cant remember a time where cronulla have had any more than 4 max players who fit into that category.
the winning culture is a bit of a myth....the winning teams have the best players who outclass the rest. because when all said, the winning culture is more a mentallity. and NO player goes out without the intentioin of winning.
 

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the sharkies players MAY in fact not be squecky clean, but im fairly sure none of them have ever been accused of sexual assault while out with teamates or anything of that sort

look guys I dont want to get involved here.

But the alegations against the dogs @ Coffs was very bad. I am confident that the players are no longer with our club.

Lets not get into that kind of rubbish.

I do beleive that in 2003, I think it was in the pre season game the sharks played the Warriors, that the sharks team was under investigation for aledgedly rapping and sexual assult.

Not to play tit for tatt guys,

Like I said I am all for banter, but keep it real atleast.
 

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anasta and mason are playing for roosters, so its now them who are the rapists
 
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