Official Todd Carney

[Floyd]

My point is that the Sharks are notorious for giving the media ammo. Time after time. Watch how other clubs deal with things, or how it's done in other sports. Clubs cannot bow to the pressures of a muckraking media. They must be in control. They must accept that at times there will be negative press however it is not in the interest of an organisation to act out of fear of media repercussions. As I've said before, a sporting team is in the business of winning first and foremost because winning has a flow-on effect that eventually leads to money.

I believe that in this instance Noyce has acted out of fear of the impending media repercussions, not out of what is best for the future of the club in terms of winning and hence making money.

There is a chance with most negative occurrences to turn it, somehow, into a positive. In this instance, they could've made Carney pay up a hefty fine to a charity that people care about, maybe something to do with women or children. And then get him on every damned footy show in the country fessing up, accepting full responsibility, saying that he is disappointed in himself, isn't expecting people to pity him and that he is (again?) working through counselling so that he can focus on playing good footy and being a good role model (i hate that footy players are meant to be role models, parents are meant to be role models). ****, even get him to run talks with up and coming players about the dangers of being a moron when under such intense scrutiny. Make a positive story out of it for ****s sake. If this is a business, this is Sales 101!

Instead, Noyce turned a negative into a bigger negative by straight up sacking the ****, under circumstances that have pissed off the team, the coach and drawn criticism from many commentators which leads, yet again, to the conclusion that the Sharks are all ****ed up. Poor management by someone who should know better.

Deathmoth is getting upset!

 

[hitman124]

Each member of the Storm's spine would be a Dally M winner if they got Toddy, man they would be awesome.

 

[vicsharkfan]

not on facebook.. but my wife just informed me she got an email to buy a "savecarney" tshirt, really theres nothing to save folks. walk on nothing to see here

 

[CrazyMatt]

My point is that the Sharks are notorious for giving the media ammo. Time after time. Watch how other clubs deal with things, or how it's done in other sports. Clubs cannot bow to the pressures of a muckraking media. They must be in control. They must accept that at times there will be negative press however it is not in the interest of an organisation to act out of fear of media repercussions. As I've said before, a sporting team is in the business of winning first and foremost because winning has a flow-on effect that eventually leads to money.

I believe that in this instance Noyce has acted out of fear of the impending media repercussions, not out of what is best for the future of the club in terms of winning and hence making money.

There is a chance with most negative occurrences to turn it, somehow, into a positive. In this instance, they could've made Carney pay up a hefty fine to a charity that people care about, maybe something to do with women or children. And then get him on every damned footy show in the country fessing up, accepting full responsibility, saying that he is disappointed in himself, isn't expecting people to pity him and that he is (again?) working through counselling so that he can focus on playing good footy and being a good role model (i hate that footy players are meant to be role models, parents are meant to be role models). ****, even get him to run talks with up and coming players about the dangers of being a moron when under such intense scrutiny. Make a positive story out of it for ****s sake. If this is a business, this is Sales 101!

Instead, Noyce turned a negative into a bigger negative by straight up sacking the ****, under circumstances that have pissed off the team, the coach and drawn criticism from many commentators which leads, yet again, to the conclusion that the Sharks are all ****ed up. Poor management by someone who should know better.

Take what I said in my last post and copy and paste it here. I agree with you. Needs to be the same rules across the board for all the players though.

 

[sharks2010]

Not me. He'd close us down and start an ice hockey team

bahahahahahaha

 

[DeathMoth]

bahahahahahaha

Finally Gallen will be playing a game where his right hook can be of some use.

 

[dylan the villian]

Finally Gallen will be playing a game where his right hook can be of some use.

Have you had a fight in a game yet?

 

[BlackWhiteBlue]

Have you had a fight in a game yet?

Hes actually pretty good ill give him that.

 

[dylan the villian]

Hes actually pretty good ill give him that.

At fighting or skating? Haha

 

[BlackWhiteBlue]

Not at fighting.

 

[dylan the villian]

The next gretzsky?

 

[DeathMoth]

Have you had a fight in a game yet?

Not worth the one week suspension man. League fees are expensive, I'm playing every game!

Not at fighting.

I've never lost to you, pipsqueak.

 

[hitman124]

Did they say anything about toddy on the footy show?

 

[SHARKSTER]

Todd who?

 

[Gow's Scissors]

No.

 

[Steve Kneen]

He MUST have been posing for that photo too. There is no way that someone could have just snuck their phone out and taken that picture. The angle needed to be perfect to get it to look like he was pissing in his mouth.

Silly.

Why MUST he have been? The maggot that took the picture said that Todd Carney didn't know he took the picture, and the fact that he sent it to his brother and then his "brother lost his phone at the races." Please, give me a break, what a great fairy tale of Robinson. Regardless, Todd placed himself in a position of embarrassment and hung around with morons that cost him his job and affected his life in a huge way. It's obvious that he has some people as "friends/mates" that are imbeciles, and unfortunately for Todd his childish prank in the presence of someone he thought was a friend has taught him an extremely harsh lesson in life. If he is to learn from this then he needs to reassess the people he is associating with.

Well how about teaching your kid values as a parent. I'm over hearing this role model ****. Society put these blokes up as role models. Not the players. Instead of putting the "I don't want my kids to be trying this ****" line out there every time a player ****s up, you are the parents, you are there to teach them right and wrong ffs

Actually at first when I read this I agreed totally with you. But the fact is whilst you are correct in one respect you are wrong in another.
You are correct to say that it is the parents role to teach their kids what is right and wrong in this world and they are and should be the role models for their kids. However, the fact is that the NRL wants all players to be 'role models', that does not necessarily equate to the players being role models for children, what it means is that players should behave, be respectful to all, respect their club, respect the fans of the game, and above all respect the game, that is what the meaning of "role model" is. As far as I am concerned the term "role model" has a dual meaning. I hate losing Carney but unfortunately he disrespected the game of Rugby League by allowing himself to associate with morons and allowing himself to perform a childish prank in a bathroom which was then distributed to others by his moron 'friend'. Who needs enemies with 'mates' like that

Hard to say, when a guy is so damn smashed, to such a degree to pretend to piss in his own mouth in front of other blokes... perhaps it is plausible that he didn't recognise the danger of the other bloke-with-his-phone-out filming it? I dunno.

How would he see someone snapping a picture if he was concentrating on what he was doing, and whilst doing it he's drunk. I believe he had no idea the maggot Mick Robinson did what he did, so I would have to agree with you.

Some good points there. Unfortunately this common sense approach doesnt work in the sporting world that is
ruled by media & sponsor $$$. Imagine if you were the CEO of a major sponsor of a club that had an incident like this.
You would be on on the phone demanding action as your brand is now associated with poor behaviour.
Shareholders and Boards don't like bad media. Period.

Also think how a CEO would react if a key staff member, say a CFO, had an incident like this played out in public.
The CFO would be sacked no question. Same thing here. It all comes down to the perception of corporate image.

There are always options. The facts are that the magnification of NRL players in Sydney is just an absolute farce, pages and pages of endless dross about the lives of rugby league players and magnified to such a degree that these players believe they are worldwide stars. The media have nothing better to do. Unfortunately Carney gave them a story, and from there it became untenable for him to remain. Media pressure and social media drives everything which is actually quite wrong.

Yep agree with that, but it may have been that any negative press was not going to be tolerated. If Todd hadn't put himself in that position, he'd still be with us. Unfortunately he hung around the wrong blokes and whether he was set up or not, he put himself in a position to bring the club into disrepute.

Please don't anyone think I am happy with seeing him go. It absolutely has gutted me. We have lost a player of immense talent and one that had the capability of taking us to a premiership one day.
It is unfortunate that we live in the modern world where all this new technology allows people to be under the microscope when in years gone by they wouldn't have been. But we aren't going to change that. It's gone past that now. No one is suddenly going to take the technology away. It is probably going to become more invasive.

If Todd had been sitting at home that night, having a quiet beer with a few mates, he wouldn't be in this predicament now. None of us, including me, know what other warnings were given if any but if they were, the club had to do this to show they were being serious.

I think it's tremendous to see the amount of passion on this site over this issue. It shows just how we all care about this club and where it is headed. If we didn't care, we wouldn't be on here giving our opinions. Not everyone is going to agree but that is what a forum is all about.

Agreed. Paul Kent is entitled to his opinion, and so is James Hooper even if you believe they're incorrect.

All this talk about the players being a role model to children... FFS my kids would get a gob full if they looked up to a stranger as a role model. It is a parent’s responsibility to be their kids role model and if not, then there is a problem with the parent. Anyone who has to substitute a stranger as a role model for their children doesn't deserve them in the first place. Society has placed these guys up on a pedestal for the younger generation to adore and its these added pressures that unfortunately cause problems for certain players. It doesn't mean the players are idiots. It just means that they can't handle added pressures. The fact that they can't manage their drink and have dick head mates is their own responsibility.

Correct.

Not a fan of Kent but I just watched the video. What part or point of what he said was incorrect? It all seemed on the money for me. TC is a di$&@ead! He has screwed us over now like he has two other clubs. His behaviour was intolerable and he has been punished accordingly. Any suggestion other than that is wrong. As for ASADA, there are more than Gallen and Graham still at the club, if they go down then about a 1/4 of our squad is affected. How is he wrong?

I am not dumb enough to suggest that guys of my generation ( I am mid 40s) would not have been guilty of doing stupid things. I certainly did my fair share. The difference was that the spotlight was never on us in the way it is now. The other difference is that when I was 28 I was being paid about $50k in a position of enormous responsibility to the community as a primary teacher. TC and others around being paid 15 times that amount, whether you like it or they like it, have an enormous responsibility to the code, the club and the community. They make a mistake like this then sorry, they deserve to lose their job as I would in my job for making that mistake.

When you have supported the club for as long as I have you have to take the good with the bad. There certainly has been a fair share being a supporter of this club. Many of the whiners on this forum have been supporting for about 10 years so I understand you have seen 10 turbulent years. I have always wanted us to give a blended youth and experience side a chance, maybe with T C sacking we can see that and get a little back to the way things were before Anderson and Stuart started killing this club.

Agreed.

As I was trawling through Reddit today, I found a few bits about NHL player Claude Giroux (pretty much the marquee player in Philly) getting arrested yesterday for repeatedly grabbing a male cop's arse and spending the night in the slammer. There are photos getting around about it. Did he get sacked? No. He's making a sizable donation to a charity and the club is moving on towards their goal: the cup. The club hasn't got involved in the media bull****, they've remained fairly tight lipped about it.

That could be a lesson here for the Sharks. Maybe in future the Sharks could shut their ****ing mouths instead of being lured into the negative media trap. The media want us to come out and make big statements, they want us to take drastic action against players - that makes a story. The more drastic, the longer they can string out the whole debacle in the papers.

With that in mind, how hard would it have been for Noyce to come out and say "We are aware that Carney has made a mistake and it reflects poorly on himself, the club and the game. We have met with Todd and he has agreed to make a sizeable donation to Charity X and undergo counselling for blah blah. Todd has disgraced himself in the past but we are committed to assisting Todd in overcoming his issues so that he continue to be a valuable asset to the team. We will be making no further comments about this incident. Thank you and **** off."

Job done.

The problem is they have much more to talk about in the USA than here. In NSW and QLD it's just mainly NRL NRL NRL with a few small words about other sports.............Rugby league is a small sport on a global scale but it's magnified X100 in the "media" because they've got nothing else to talk about. People like Mick Robinson the maggot and Mark Miler are indicative of some of the "fans" in the sport.

Bad behaviour has been in the sport of Rugby League for too long, read J O'Neill-"I shat in Schlossy's shoe", Nate Myles-defecated in a hallway of a hotel, allegations of abuse of women, allegations against Ben Barba, Watmough-urinating in the street, Brett Stewart allegations of sexual assault, convicted of drink driving- SBW having sex in the toilet with CF, Mark Gasnier and his text messages affair-the list goes on.

I think with Flanagan not having been there Todd Carney did lose his way and that is something that is unfortunate in this whole affair.
I also believe if Flanagan was there his man management of Todd Carney would have helped and potentially none of this would have occurred.

I really wonder how many of these players can read and comprehend their responsibilities;


NRL Code of Conduct


© National Rugby League Ltd. ACN 082 088 962 (2012)

19

Individual Responsibilities

The NRL expects that individuals covered by this Code and undertaking activities associated with the
NRL shall at all times where there is alcohol usage:

 Behave in a dignified and professional manner that promotes and upholds standards of
integrity, dignity and professionalism;

 Act as role models for their club/team and Rugby League;

 Not put themselves, club/team mates nor the general public at risk of serious physical and
social harms;

 Accept that they are responsible and accountable for the choices they make and the
consequences of these choices;

 Assist their club/team mates and others covered by the Code of Conduct if they have had too
much to drink; and

 Take reasonable action to both prevent alcohol problems and address any alcohol-related issues
as they emerge.

Who does this Code apply to?

The Code applies to the following individuals whether in a paid or voluntary capacity:

 Registered players of the NRL participating in teams or competitions conducted by or on behalf
of the NRL;

 

[Thresher]

I blame the laws against urinating on the street. When ya gotta go ya gotta go.

Todd obviously learnt how to bubble by using the "but not a drop hit the ground officer" technique.

 

[slide rule]

This man has brought great shame upon himself, the club and the game of Rugby League.

All parties which have very little shame left.

 

[Thresher]

No doubt he shamed himself but his main crime was offending people's sensibilities. People need to get a thicker skin.

As for all the cries of "but what about the children" - if you have to teach a kid over the age of 5 that it is wrong to urinate in their own mouth then there is something wrong there already.

 

[slide rule]

As for all the cries of "but what about the children" - if you have to teach a kid over the age of 5 that it is wrong to urinate in their own mouth then there is something wrong there already.

Not sure about that. I know of a 28 year old that thinks its pretty cool. He's also been paid more than the prime minister.