Official Toby Rudolf

[Sir Chadley]

It’s weird how people try to find wrong reasons for why we lost.

As was said, we made more errors than them, gave away silly penalties and missed tackles.

That’s why we lost.

Yet, some say we lost because Moylan was ****. Some say it was because Trindall was ****. And some say it was because Toby was ****.

Absolute balderdash.

 

[Sir Chadley]

split in first half was 52/48 not 59/41

Mate give it up. Toby was not the reason we lost. I actually thought he was pretty good today, ran strongly and made tackles. If you can’t see that then I’m sorry.

 

[XGinga]

This is the same thing I said. He doesn’t want a reasonable explanation. He just wants to hate Toby right now. The fine.

16 minutes is about 10 minutes of ball in play time btw.

Sometimes I don't know why I come on here every day. Some of the takes just do my head in. Like how is Toby only running 5 times the thing to pick at.

Why not look at the fact that of those 5 hit ups he made 51m averaging over 10m a run. Or the fact he was out there for the 24mins he was out there without possession he made 47 tackles.

Yet 5 runs in 16mins of possession is soooo bad and ToBy iS tO bLaMe FoR tHiS lOsS.

 

[Jasonstevenswedgie]

Mate give it up. Toby was not the reason we lost. I actually thought he was pretty good today, ran strongly and made tackles. If you can’t see that then I’m sorry

never said he was the reason we lost, just said 5 runs was pathetic

 

[Sir Chadley]

@Jasonstevenswedgie go look at the 321 thread and see how many votes Toby has got so far.

 

[XGinga]

split in first half was 52/48 not 59/41

Toby played some in first half and some in 2nd. This point is mute unless your going to go and calculate possession during time he was on the feild.

 

[XGinga]

never said he was the reason we lost, just said 5 runs was pathetic

Like to see you make those 5 runs plus the same tackle output before calling it pathetic.

 

[Sir Chadley]

never said he was the reason we lost, just said 5 runs was pathetic

Have to agree to disagree mate.

 

[BurgoShark]

split in first half was 52/48 not 59/41

Yeah - which means assuming same amount of ball in play it was 66/34 in the second half. Toby’s second stint was right in the middle of a big wave of possession for the Knights.

If he had 4 runs in 25 minutes at close to 50/50 then 1 run in 15 minutes with almost no ball, is that not a different situation to “just five runs in a half”? 4 in 25 is ok, and a 15 minute stretch with no ball shouldn’t be a gauge for any player’s attacking output.

 

[XGinga]

@Jasonstevenswedgie don't start any match threads. Your going on the list.

 

[Jasonstevenswedgie]

Toby played some in first half and some in 2nd. This point is mute unless your going to go and calculate possession during time he was on the feild.

thats what i did for his first 25 min stint 3 runs out of 55, i havent suggested he lost us the game like you think i did. i just think that is a pathetic effort from a starting prop with almost 50% ball in his first stint

 

[BurgoShark]

thats what i did for his first 25 min stint 3 runs out of 55, i havent suggested he lost us the game like you think i did. i just think that is a pathetic effort from a starting prop with almost 50% ball in his first stint

Was the possession 50/50 in the first 25?

 

[bort]

I’m interested in what the correct number of runs is
And a breakdown on where in each set he should have taken the missing ones

 

[BurgoShark]

I’m interested in what the correct number of runs is
And a breakdown on where in each set he should have taken the missing ones

Yep.

Like I said earlier @Jasonstevenswedgie this is useful info, but you are looking at it the wrong way. That the team wasn’t in a position to use their big front rower more than 5 times in 40 minutes of footy is really bad (maybe even pathetic) but it doesn’t say much about the player. He’s either taking the runs when the opportunity is there, or he is doing more than his fair share of defensive work - in which case it’s ok if someone else picks up the slack in attack. It’s a team game.

 

[bort]

Yep.

Like I said earlier @Jasonstevenswedgie this is useful info, but you are looking at it the wrong way. That the team wasn’t in a position to use their big front rower more than 5 times in 40 minutes of footy is really bad, but it doesn’t say much about the player. He’s taking the runs when the opportunity is there.

Maybe he was a lazy little ****
Did he take any decoy runs or run as an option at all? Were there times he could have got in position to run but moved away?
Easy enough to answer for someone who wants to review it deeper than stats

From a broader point of view it was pretty disgusting how little ball we let ourselves have. Not surprised some blokes have small attack stats numbers

 

[XGinga]

thats what i did for his first 25 min stint 3 runs out of 55, i havent suggested he lost us the game like you think i did. i just think that is a pathetic effort from a starting prop with almost 50% ball in his first stint

I am not going to watch it back and count sets or whatever but in Toby's first stint we had 10 drop outs, errors or penalties to Knights 3. That would indicate that Knights had at least 7 more tackle 1 then us in that time (most going the full set). So possession wise would be leaning heavily to Newcastle in Toby's first stint.
Not sure where you are getting 50/50 possession from.

How many tackles he make in this time? How many times did we lose the ball on the 3rd tackle when our forwards are only just making it back to the line so he doesn't get a chance to run. How many decoy runs did he run. How many times was he calling for it yet Brailey passed it to someone else. Was it Fitz game plan to spread it instead of going through the middle.

You seem to be looking at this one dimensionally that he needs to have x runs in y time otherwise he is pathetic as you say and not thinking about any other aspects that could cause him to not be making these runs.

 

[Gumby]

Not really when you think about it.
If we had 40% possession during his 40 minutes that means he had only 16 minutes to make those runs split with the rest of team.

If you look at it this way. We had a total of 171 runs. If you half that for the time Toby was on the feild 171/2=85 then spread that over 17 players 85/17=5 Toby ran the exact amount he should have with the total amount of runs we made while he was on the feild.

We didn't lose this game because Toby didn't run enough.
We lost it because we didn't control the ball, gave away silly penalties and missed tackles.
It was not our running that gave them 59% possession.

Is that you Toby?

 

[Jasonstevenswedgie]

Was the possession 50/50 in the first 25?

made a few more errors, so not exactly but not the 60/40 spliit it ended up

looking at avgs and elite forward will avd 15-17 runs a game but those guys play much bigger minutes, all the usual suspects are there. blake lawrie is a surprise at 15

rudolph comes in at rank 195 for all forward on avg runs at 10 a game (sorry that looks like all player, i had it filtered to forwards)

 

[XGinga]

Is that you Toby?

You think Toby can do these complex maths equations

 

[Gumby]

You think Toby can do these complex maths equations

How rude of me. My apologies