HaroldBishop
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Not if we finish 5th or 6th which is unlikely.
The Next Five
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Not if we finish 5th or 6th which is unlikely.
If we finish top 8 I’d be surprised
Mark^Bastard
Great White
Moylan, SJ and ?
HaroldBishop
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Reckon any rookie coach would be stoked to have our list. Imagine getting lumped with the Tits as your first gig.
Presumably he’s on the anti Dugan bandwagon a few people cling to
Mark^Bastard
Great White
Okay fair enough.
I can see the argument for not thinking Dugan was a good buy. I agree with it, but I still like him as a player and still think he's putting in.
slide rule
Jaws
Why does he go down like he’s dead every single game?
He got a bruise last week, that’s bad I guess.
But every ****ing game it’s something.
There’s not a StGeorge or Canberra fan alive that was sad to see him go. Any time I’d watch a Saints game with Saints fans he’d go down. They’d all say “he’s faking it”. Then he’d get up and carry on.
It doesn’t do much for the toughness phsyche of the team.
He got a bruise last week, that’s bad I guess.
But every ****ing game it’s something.
There’s not a StGeorge or Canberra fan alive that was sad to see him go. Any time I’d watch a Saints game with Saints fans he’d go down. They’d all say “he’s faking it”. Then he’d get up and carry on.
It doesn’t do much for the toughness phsyche of the team.
I'm with you Mark, I like him and think he is playing pretty well for us, especially given how much we've relied on him to plug holes and change positions.
His value as a 'good buy' is questionable and could get completely torn down at any time by injury (but so could anyone's really, just perhaps more likely with Duges)
But this season he has been generally pretty good and has only missed like 1.5 games.
If you could, right now, swap him for any other centre on 800k or below I'm sure people would have 20 suggestions. But that was his price at the time we were shopping for a centre.
He was the best available for us at the time and he is generally in the best half of our performers on game day. He makes some obvious mistakes, usually good for 1 or 2 a game, but we have plenty of other players that make that many mistakes a game.
It's weird how often he seems to pick up minor injuries during games that he manages to shake. But most of them individually are hard to question. A foot long bruise up your side, which is 'bad I guess', came from someone full force throwing their knees into his ribs - knees being the lethal weapon Flanno gently tapped Lodge with (not condoning that, just saying he didn't get much into it luckily for them both).
Canberra and St George fans aren't sad to see him go for the same reason we wouldn't be - he is a good player and puts his body on the line but has a weird and concerning relationship with the trainer and tends to attract off-field controversy.
The injuries and controversies look a lot worse when you compare them to the wage he has earned with his top level achievements. Moyza and SJ both on more than him, playing worse than him, and have spent more time injured this year than him. Even Fifita is on about the same pay packet I think, and Wade, and they've also both missed more games than him this year. He's our best value highly paid player!
Mark^Bastard
Great White
Dunno mate.
He definitely puts his body on the line. He definitely gets hurt. Some guys do the same and just get back up and try to tough it out.
We all have different pain tolerances
He definitely puts his body on the line. He definitely gets hurt. Some guys do the same and just get back up and try to tough it out.
We all have different pain tolerances
It'd be interesting if they actually did a pain tolerance test on him, and compared it to results for other NRL players and the average joe.
I'm sure they have more advanced methods now but one thing that was tested back in the day was to have blood pressure cuff and a ball bearing and they increased the pressure on the cuff to push the ball bearing into your shin bone. Long time ago I learned about this so forgive me if any of the details are wrong, I'm also sure there were other methods.
I think you had to say when it started to hurt then rate the pain at each increase and then say when it was unbearable. And I think the average person playing contact sports would rate the pain similarly to non-contact sports players but would let it go on much longer before they rated it as unbearable.
It's possible he has some kind of soft tissue condition which is a factor ie his limbs, connective tissue, joints, muscles are able to stretch further/damage easier than they should be able to, causing slightly more damage. So the same impact on someone else perhaps literally causes 10% less damage to them than to him because of an inherent soft tissue disorder. Maybe his body just processes pain a little worse and he's actually the 'toughest' bloke out there because if anyone else felt it like him they'd have quit?
I'd also wonder when he stays down like he did on the weekend, obviously hurt but not necessarily injured, whether the amount of time he stays down is due to a fear of injury more than the pain itself.
Rather than jump straight up and try and play through it his bad previous experiences lead him to spend a bit more time worrying about it before he puts his body back at risk.
Similarly perhaps his mental battles play a significant part in his physical ones.
HaroldBishop
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Lodge passed his test. Maybe Flanju could do a test on Duges at training?
Too much risk of damage.
The last thing we need is for Dugan to fracture his cheekbone and snap his leg kicking Kyle
Gards
Jaws
he plumbs wires and dreams
yep gunna take JMO years to undo that 2016 Premiership winning mess
then our plebs are defs putting in a shocker for him
hahahahaha
can always borrow a piece of woodsies... he got plenty to go round (and round and round...)
they should invite the fans, Shaun & Mozza can buy them drinks and listen to their advice. it definitely wont get out of hand
He's been overpaid and over rated for a long time relative to his output IMO, BUT there is no denying he at least puts in the effort despite his body issues and on his day his a strong and skillful player. ignoring some terrible handling issues earlier in the year is having a strong season at centre for us. leading try scorer I think for us or is that Morris now? he's also been shifted around positions a fair bit which can't help. is coming good for us
wingers are where you need to throw the $$ and priorities these days but Duges and Morris are showing what quality fit centres can still bring to our team
its the big money players that dont put their body on the line or give 100% that I get the real dirts with and that goes for any sport
Looks like JMo 9, Dugan 8, Xerri 7, Chad 5
Gards
Jaws
3 sharks centres leading the try scoring tally - someone pinch me
Cage
Bull Shark
MB & Bort : Dugan is giving the better value of the three and I have no problems with his effort. He really puts his body on the line. Flanno lured him to the Sharks with the fullback carrot, knowing that it would only be a token gesture till the future NFL wonderkid got his fullback smarts together.
I don't know whether he has a low pain tolerance, he goes harder than his body can handle, or he is just a bit of a sook. Whatever, he spends way too much bloody time on the deck gazing into the trainers eyes.
When we signed Johnson I just shook my head. WTF !!! Obviously Flanno has never heard of Due Diligence or he would have smelt a rat with the Worriers wanting to flick Johnson, the current Kiwi half/five-eighth. Kearney said that they didn't see him as the person to lead their team into the future. Yeah well you cant lead the team around the park when you are hiding behind a winger.
I have noticed that Johnson goes MIA in games and will then pop up and do something clever, often with a match winning play, after his mates have done all the hard yards.
My main problem with him was his lack of involvement. However since we have been giving him lots of ball he just seems to **** up more. Knee jerk reaction by Flanno to Holmes departure. Not one of his better moves.
Finally pretty Boy Moylan. What a bloody imposter. Seems more concerned with how his hair looks and whether he has got any dirty marks on his teddies. He probably drops the ball so often because he is busy checking himself out on the big screen to see if he actually looks like a footballer. Suggest someone throws a bucket of very muddy water over him as he is running out onto the field.
And Harold, the roster looks great on paper but I'm sure Morris knew it's limitations. I think he is now starting to go with his gut and give the blokes that are bludging a bloody good shake-up.
Johnson signing worried me also - Warriors love to be inconsistent so if he even went missing by their standards that's a big concern.
I was pretty on board with Moylan by the end of last year, he'd started to get his head around playing 6 and started to get his defence up to scratch. Main issue was that between him and Chad nobody could kick deep kicks worth anything, ironically the only strength Johnson has been displaying with any consistency (bar kicking one dead after a stoppage in play two weeks ago).
Ball play in the backline has still been good by Moylan but he's been dreadful under the high ball (and against the low balls), and a few other lapses too. And do you ever see him catching an offload from a forward to make a break like a good fullback should be?
Cage
Bull Shark
Bort, all three have undoubted ability.
It's up to Bomber to get into their heads and bring it out.
It's up to Bomber to get into their heads and bring it out.
Tough call, it's up to them just as much, if not more
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I have a quiet optimism that Bomber has an untapped psycho element in him. He's becoming more twitchy and scratchy in pressers, if they keep up this crap Bomber might literally get in someone's head via a bashing with a kicking tee.