Gibs
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There needs to be more refs getting penalized for whats said on field
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Now that sounds like a plan!
Beejay
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Because McManus and Uate are the first choice wingers.
Vuna is going to union anyway, **** him.
snowman
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i would still play him. mcmanus is ****
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Vuna is so much better then McManus that its a joke to say McManus can make the side.
If they rnt playing Vuna cause he is going to union then their is a reason they r going so **** cause they are stupid as all hell.
I'd be more then happy to take Vuna for Sharks for now until he goes to union. He is an AWESOME footballer.
Beejay
Carcharodon Megalodon
The Knights obviously think McManus is better.
And i'm sure that they wouldn't drop him just because he is going off to union. Although I do remember someone saying that if he gets dropped into NSW Cup when McManus returns he wants to immediatly leave the Knights. I don't know if that actually occured? Or even if it's true?
snowman
Total gronk
i think he looks like a wanker, good fullback tho
i just think its all a little strange, he is injured the minute mcmanus comes back, right after he switched codes.... all to x files for me
tate signed with the cow girls
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one bloke i never want to see kick again... TT
i just think its all a little strange, he is injured the minute mcmanus comes back, right after he switched codes.... all to x files for me
tate signed with the cow girls
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one bloke i never want to see kick again... TT
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NRL revolution - how it will work
Source:http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=...422667&usg=AFQjCNG3UlZjeKppqijfNZvn427ehEvKBw
NRL revolution - how it would work
EXCLUSIVE by Phil Rothfield
June 24, 2010 12:00AM
THE late Kevin Humphreys was considered a rugby league visionary during his turbulent reign as Australian Rugby League supremo.
But nothing he ever initiated or achieved in the '70s or '80s could match the breathtaking new proposal that his son, Tigers CEO Stephen Humphreys, raised at this week's chief executives conference, and which he hopes to deliver over the next two years.
The catalyst for his plan for a 30-week season, with games reduced to 60 minutes or four quarters to prevent player burnout, is the hopelessly unfair premiership draw that currently exists.
"The first thought is if you have a full home and away season, you remove the inequality and you should be able to drive more revenue for clubs," Humphreys says.
"The broadcast rights, the grant clubs get from the NRL, as well as the gate receipts, sponsorship values and all your other revenue items would increase."
The plan
Humphreys believes the season could be extended to 30 weeks so clubs play each other twice. Game time would be reduced to possibly 60 minutes to prevent player burnout or 80-minute games would remain but be played over four quarters, which would appeal to TV networks selling advertising.
Coaches would be banned from using players in any more than 25 games to protect them from suffering more injuries.
Humphreys first raised his idea at a CEOs meeting earlier this year but got only a lukewarm response.
"At first glance it might seem too hard, but if you put a bit more effort into thinking about it there are quite a few positives. It's worth too much to ignore," he said.
"When I put forward the ideas originally I think it was a bit too hard at the first pass for others.
"I started getting a bit of traction at the meeting on Tuesday. I'm going to put a paper together on it and we're going to meet again in about four or five weeks. We've certainly got something we can take to the TV stations.
"We've got a very appealing product so I don't see why a bit more of it is not going to be worth a bit more to us all."
Player reaction
Humphreys has spoken about the proposal to superstars of the game, including Benji Marshall and Robbie Farah at the Tigers.
"I ran it past a cross-section of eight or so players. If it meant they could share in the upside and get a reasonable lift in their earnings, they'd be up for it," he said.
"They are full-time players, they're going to be with you 11 months of the year just like any other employee.
"When they're not playing they're training. The vast majority of players would rather play than train.
"If we can drive some reasonable incremental revenue into the game that can be shared with the players, everyone's onside because the players and clubs get more money and the fans get more footy - and we could all do away with playing trial matches."
NRL response
The NRL has a season structure committee headed by Graham Annesley that includes marketing boss Paul Kind and club chief executives Peter Doust (Dragons), Humphreys and Peter Parr (the Cowboys).
Annesley said last night: "We'll be looking at all options. We never say no to anything and obviously player workloads are at the top of our minds. Who knows, 60-minute games could even be more exciting and more explosive.
"We shouldn't rule out anything."
Once Humphreys delivers his final plan, CEO David Gallop will take it to the networks as part of negotiations for the next broadcasting deal.
Unlevel field
It's wrong having a club $800,000 over the salary cap flogging teams every weekend, let alone using a draw that is hopelessly unfair on some clubs but hugely advantageous to others. The top three clubs last season were grand finalists Melbourne Storm and Parramatta, plus the minor premiers St George Illawarra.
The Bulldogs, the Sea Eagles, the Rabbitohs and the Sharks are worst affected under the 2010 draw by having to play the three premiership heavyweights twice during the 26 competition rounds.
The Titans only have to play cap cheats Storm once and the Eels once. The Eels only play against the Storm once.
The Roosters only meet the Eels once and Storm once - smack bang in the middle of Origin when they are fielding basically reserve grade sides.
To highlight the unfairness of the competition even more, the Titans have only one State of Origin player, Ashley Harrison, while other clubs are forced to give up a huge proportion of their salary cap talent to NSW and Queensland for six weeks.
The draw
The draw is modelled every season for commercial interests more than anything else.
Each club ranks in order of preference which teams they would prefer to play to help sell season tickets before the rankings are sent to the NRL.
For example, all the Queensland clubs ask to play each other twice. The Sydney clubs want local derbies and blockbusters against traditional Sydney rivals.
"We try to accommodate all the requests from clubs as best as possible," Annesley said. "It's more commercially orientated because clubs want to maximise local derbies and blockbuster games.
"Some clubs can get a massive leg-up but it's purely by luck. If you did the draw on where the clubs finished the previous year, it doesn't always stack up.
"Look at the Bulldogs this season compared to where they finished last year."
Player burnout
Senior players headed by Storm captain Cameron Smith have all complained about the length of the season with trials, 26 premiership rounds, a State of Origin series, City v Country, a finals series and Test matches.
Smith recently said: "It is a big issue with players, particularly guys who play a lot of rep football. I guess that's why guys at the moment are looking at ways to lengthen their careers such as going over to rugby union or going overseas.
"Every time I'm in a [representative] camp it's always brought up between the team.
"We love playing the game, we'd like to play it for our whole lives. But we've only got a certain amount of time and you can only play as long as your body lets you. At the moment it's tough."
Source:http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=...422667&usg=AFQjCNG3UlZjeKppqijfNZvn427ehEvKBw
NRL revolution - how it would work
EXCLUSIVE by Phil Rothfield
June 24, 2010 12:00AM
THE late Kevin Humphreys was considered a rugby league visionary during his turbulent reign as Australian Rugby League supremo.
But nothing he ever initiated or achieved in the '70s or '80s could match the breathtaking new proposal that his son, Tigers CEO Stephen Humphreys, raised at this week's chief executives conference, and which he hopes to deliver over the next two years.
The catalyst for his plan for a 30-week season, with games reduced to 60 minutes or four quarters to prevent player burnout, is the hopelessly unfair premiership draw that currently exists.
"The first thought is if you have a full home and away season, you remove the inequality and you should be able to drive more revenue for clubs," Humphreys says.
"The broadcast rights, the grant clubs get from the NRL, as well as the gate receipts, sponsorship values and all your other revenue items would increase."
The plan
Humphreys believes the season could be extended to 30 weeks so clubs play each other twice. Game time would be reduced to possibly 60 minutes to prevent player burnout or 80-minute games would remain but be played over four quarters, which would appeal to TV networks selling advertising.
Coaches would be banned from using players in any more than 25 games to protect them from suffering more injuries.
Humphreys first raised his idea at a CEOs meeting earlier this year but got only a lukewarm response.
"At first glance it might seem too hard, but if you put a bit more effort into thinking about it there are quite a few positives. It's worth too much to ignore," he said.
"When I put forward the ideas originally I think it was a bit too hard at the first pass for others.
"I started getting a bit of traction at the meeting on Tuesday. I'm going to put a paper together on it and we're going to meet again in about four or five weeks. We've certainly got something we can take to the TV stations.
"We've got a very appealing product so I don't see why a bit more of it is not going to be worth a bit more to us all."
Player reaction
Humphreys has spoken about the proposal to superstars of the game, including Benji Marshall and Robbie Farah at the Tigers.
"I ran it past a cross-section of eight or so players. If it meant they could share in the upside and get a reasonable lift in their earnings, they'd be up for it," he said.
"They are full-time players, they're going to be with you 11 months of the year just like any other employee.
"When they're not playing they're training. The vast majority of players would rather play than train.
"If we can drive some reasonable incremental revenue into the game that can be shared with the players, everyone's onside because the players and clubs get more money and the fans get more footy - and we could all do away with playing trial matches."
NRL response
The NRL has a season structure committee headed by Graham Annesley that includes marketing boss Paul Kind and club chief executives Peter Doust (Dragons), Humphreys and Peter Parr (the Cowboys).
Annesley said last night: "We'll be looking at all options. We never say no to anything and obviously player workloads are at the top of our minds. Who knows, 60-minute games could even be more exciting and more explosive.
"We shouldn't rule out anything."
Once Humphreys delivers his final plan, CEO David Gallop will take it to the networks as part of negotiations for the next broadcasting deal.
Unlevel field
It's wrong having a club $800,000 over the salary cap flogging teams every weekend, let alone using a draw that is hopelessly unfair on some clubs but hugely advantageous to others. The top three clubs last season were grand finalists Melbourne Storm and Parramatta, plus the minor premiers St George Illawarra.
The Bulldogs, the Sea Eagles, the Rabbitohs and the Sharks are worst affected under the 2010 draw by having to play the three premiership heavyweights twice during the 26 competition rounds.
The Titans only have to play cap cheats Storm once and the Eels once. The Eels only play against the Storm once.
The Roosters only meet the Eels once and Storm once - smack bang in the middle of Origin when they are fielding basically reserve grade sides.
To highlight the unfairness of the competition even more, the Titans have only one State of Origin player, Ashley Harrison, while other clubs are forced to give up a huge proportion of their salary cap talent to NSW and Queensland for six weeks.
The draw
The draw is modelled every season for commercial interests more than anything else.
Each club ranks in order of preference which teams they would prefer to play to help sell season tickets before the rankings are sent to the NRL.
For example, all the Queensland clubs ask to play each other twice. The Sydney clubs want local derbies and blockbusters against traditional Sydney rivals.
"We try to accommodate all the requests from clubs as best as possible," Annesley said. "It's more commercially orientated because clubs want to maximise local derbies and blockbuster games.
"Some clubs can get a massive leg-up but it's purely by luck. If you did the draw on where the clubs finished the previous year, it doesn't always stack up.
"Look at the Bulldogs this season compared to where they finished last year."
Player burnout
Senior players headed by Storm captain Cameron Smith have all complained about the length of the season with trials, 26 premiership rounds, a State of Origin series, City v Country, a finals series and Test matches.
Smith recently said: "It is a big issue with players, particularly guys who play a lot of rep football. I guess that's why guys at the moment are looking at ways to lengthen their careers such as going over to rugby union or going overseas.
"Every time I'm in a [representative] camp it's always brought up between the team.
"We love playing the game, we'd like to play it for our whole lives. But we've only got a certain amount of time and you can only play as long as your body lets you. At the moment it's tough."
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Two divisions are better than one for the NRL
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Two divisions are better than one for the NRL
By LT80
24-Jun-2010
An idea that deserves serious consideration by the proposed Independent Commission is that of splitting the NRL into two divisions of twelve clubs each. So how would a two division NRL work and how would it be come about?
Of the sixteen current NRL clubs, the four least popular Sydney clubs would be relegated to the second division.
If 2010 crowd statistics were used to determine popularity, Cronulla, Sydney Roosters, Penrith and Manly would be facing demotion. To these four, add the expansion hopefuls, North Sydney/Central Coast Bears and Perth Reds.
The final six sides of the second division would come from the Queensland Cup or NSW Cup.
The divisions might look something like this:
Division 1
Brisbane
Canterbury
Wests Tigers
Parramatta
St George Illawarra
Melbourne
South Sydney
Gold Coast
North Queensland
Canberra
Newcastle
New Zealand
Division 2
Cronulla
Sydney Roosters
Penrith
Manly
Perth
North Sydney/Central Coast
Redcliffe
Ipswich
Sunshine
Coast Logan
Central Queensland
Newtown
The second division would be funded partly by using the existing club grants of the four demoted Sydney teams (around $14million per year) and allocating them equally to the twelve second-division teams.
There would be many advantages to a structure such as this:
* The twelve-team divisions would allow for a true home-and-away season to be played over 22 rounds.
* It would allow for expansion of professional rugby league in a lower risk fashion. Bringing in expansion sides straight into the top tier is an expensive and risky strategy, as the AFL are finding. A second division team could be a way to build grassroots support for the code in foreign territories such as Perth without a huge drain on resources.
* It would improve the quality of the first division as all the elite players gravitate to Division 1 sides.
* It would provide a future other than relocation or mergers for a number of Sydney clubs whose viability in the top division is questionable.
* It would bolster professional rugby league in Queensland, which is currently under-represented in the NRL (particularly the south-east corner).
* In time, some method of promotion/relegation between the divisions might be introduced to allow ambitious and successful clubs from the second tier to make their way into the top tier.
The proposal is not without disadvantages or uncertainties, however:
* The relegation of the four Sydney clubs is contentious and certain to cause anguish
* How would this new structure affect the broadcasting contract? Would the pay-TV operator be willing to forego the right to broadcast the worst two games from each round in the current format in exchange for all or most games of the second division?
The main unknown, of course, is whether the public will have significant interest in the second Division to keep it viable. We will never know unless it happens.
However, there are some indications that they would – both the Toyota Cup under-20 competition (Foxsports) and Queensland Cup (ABC Queensland) rate reasonably well given both competitions receive only modest media exposure and promotion.
The path of least resistance for the Independent Commission would be to put the problem of the game’s expansion into the too-hard basket.
But they should have a duty to consider this important problem, and make a decision that will serve rugby league best over the next ten, twenty, and fifty years.
Simply tacking on two new teams to the NRL every five or so years may not be the best way to do it. A second division must be worth considering.
Source:http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=...e-nrl/&usg=AFQjCNGVH4JCRA6oPX4Dlee1cK5xQsbY6g
Two divisions are better than one for the NRL
By LT80
24-Jun-2010
An idea that deserves serious consideration by the proposed Independent Commission is that of splitting the NRL into two divisions of twelve clubs each. So how would a two division NRL work and how would it be come about?
Of the sixteen current NRL clubs, the four least popular Sydney clubs would be relegated to the second division.
If 2010 crowd statistics were used to determine popularity, Cronulla, Sydney Roosters, Penrith and Manly would be facing demotion. To these four, add the expansion hopefuls, North Sydney/Central Coast Bears and Perth Reds.
The final six sides of the second division would come from the Queensland Cup or NSW Cup.
The divisions might look something like this:
Division 1
Brisbane
Canterbury
Wests Tigers
Parramatta
St George Illawarra
Melbourne
South Sydney
Gold Coast
North Queensland
Canberra
Newcastle
New Zealand
Division 2
Cronulla
Sydney Roosters
Penrith
Manly
Perth
North Sydney/Central Coast
Redcliffe
Ipswich
Sunshine
Coast Logan
Central Queensland
Newtown
The second division would be funded partly by using the existing club grants of the four demoted Sydney teams (around $14million per year) and allocating them equally to the twelve second-division teams.
There would be many advantages to a structure such as this:
* The twelve-team divisions would allow for a true home-and-away season to be played over 22 rounds.
* It would allow for expansion of professional rugby league in a lower risk fashion. Bringing in expansion sides straight into the top tier is an expensive and risky strategy, as the AFL are finding. A second division team could be a way to build grassroots support for the code in foreign territories such as Perth without a huge drain on resources.
* It would improve the quality of the first division as all the elite players gravitate to Division 1 sides.
* It would provide a future other than relocation or mergers for a number of Sydney clubs whose viability in the top division is questionable.
* It would bolster professional rugby league in Queensland, which is currently under-represented in the NRL (particularly the south-east corner).
* In time, some method of promotion/relegation between the divisions might be introduced to allow ambitious and successful clubs from the second tier to make their way into the top tier.
The proposal is not without disadvantages or uncertainties, however:
* The relegation of the four Sydney clubs is contentious and certain to cause anguish
* How would this new structure affect the broadcasting contract? Would the pay-TV operator be willing to forego the right to broadcast the worst two games from each round in the current format in exchange for all or most games of the second division?
The main unknown, of course, is whether the public will have significant interest in the second Division to keep it viable. We will never know unless it happens.
However, there are some indications that they would – both the Toyota Cup under-20 competition (Foxsports) and Queensland Cup (ABC Queensland) rate reasonably well given both competitions receive only modest media exposure and promotion.
The path of least resistance for the Independent Commission would be to put the problem of the game’s expansion into the too-hard basket.
But they should have a duty to consider this important problem, and make a decision that will serve rugby league best over the next ten, twenty, and fifty years.
Simply tacking on two new teams to the NRL every five or so years may not be the best way to do it. A second division must be worth considering.
SharkBoy
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Murphy
Great White
seems point less going to watch a hour of football at a ground i wouldnt renew membership to far to drive
SharkBoy
Great White
just realised the article was written by a wanker as well.
snowman
Total gronk
**** box....
snowman
Total gronk
ha! if that happens, i will watch golf...
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Benefit of the doubt
If you cross the line and the ref blows the whistle its worth 4 points.
If you cross the line and the ref goes upstairs and its obvious you've scored its worth 4 points.
If you cross the line and the ref goes upstairs and its probable, yet uncertain, that you've scored (benefit of the doubt) you get 4 points.
The benefit of the doubt ruling is a crock. Its a half-arsed way of giving a try that should just be a ****ing try or no try.
I know it doesn't mean **** and the game has much bigger problems, but perhaps one day when the game is perfect and we're looking for one last thing to tinker with someone will dig up this pointless post and give me the benefit of the doubt.
If you cross the line and the ref blows the whistle its worth 4 points.
If you cross the line and the ref goes upstairs and its obvious you've scored its worth 4 points.
If you cross the line and the ref goes upstairs and its probable, yet uncertain, that you've scored (benefit of the doubt) you get 4 points.
The benefit of the doubt ruling is a crock. Its a half-arsed way of giving a try that should just be a ****ing try or no try.
I know it doesn't mean **** and the game has much bigger problems, but perhaps one day when the game is perfect and we're looking for one last thing to tinker with someone will dig up this pointless post and give me the benefit of the doubt.
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i want to know how those 3 commentators in the box did not see weyman grab beau ryan in a headlock as priddis jumped over from dummy half..
i want to know how Wade Mckinnon can make a break and Jame 'princess' Soward can hang on for to long, get penalised yet not sin binned..nah cant have our precious jamie in the bin for a professional foul
i want to know how Michael Weyman can pick up Wade Mckinnon and drop him literally on his head, yet stay on the field
**** i hate the dragons
i want to know how Wade Mckinnon can make a break and Jame 'princess' Soward can hang on for to long, get penalised yet not sin binned..nah cant have our precious jamie in the bin for a professional foul
i want to know how Michael Weyman can pick up Wade Mckinnon and drop him literally on his head, yet stay on the field
**** i hate the dragons
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I want you to shut the **** up but we all know its no use complaining
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what the **** is your problem tonight..