State Of Origin 2011 General Discussion

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Just finished TiVo'ing through the final SOO and wanted to open up a discussion around the NSW No.7. It occurred to me while watching the game that there are two types of number sevens - those that move the ball to the outside backs and those that create opportunities for them.

Pearce is the former. I'd prefer the latter.

With that in mind, is Pearce the long term solution, or should we be looking for more spark (*cough* and a kicking game *cough*)? And who should it be? I'd be wanting someone who will be in the position for the next three years, minimum.
 

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Pearce seemed to go missing for a lot of the game last night. I can remember Barrett doing a far bit, but not much of Pearce. Or was it me just focusing on the QLDers and Sharks players too much?

I'm with you Sparkles, I prefer my halfback to create the opportunities and actually look to posses a kicking game. Not to be able to move the ball wide quickly and efficiently.
 

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Blues seeking a long-term fix

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Blues looking at long-term coaching appointment in wake of Origin series loss
By Dean Ritchie
July 09, 2010 12:00AM

THE NSWRL may abandon its yearly coaching appointment and install a Blues coach for the next three to five years.

The Daily Telegraph can reveal that NSWRL management will look at a long-term coach to guide the Blues out of the treacherous predicament they find themselves in after five straight series losses.

It is understood the NSWRL will consider three options:

A FULL-TIME coach;

A PART-TIME coach; and

A NON-NRL aligned coach.

A full-time coach, who could earn up to $300,000 a year, could also be asked to complete a range of tasks throughout the year."We need a long-term plan in place," said one well-placed NSW source. "The coach should be there for the next three years, maybe even five.

"Origin goes in a cycle. Queensland have unprecedented talent at the moment."

Current coach Craig Bellamy will not be asked to return in 2011 but it is unknown whether the selectors will return for next season. There are even suggestions the NSWRL may alter the term "selector" to "adviser".

Officials are concerned that selectors, who gave Bellamy the team he wanted, are being made scapegoats.

The Daily Telegraph understands selectors did, however, "put their foot down" for Origin III and named players against Bellamy's wishes. It worked.

Fox Sports yesterday carried a story on their website saying current selector Laurie Daley wanted the NSW job. Daley, employed by Fox, denied this, saying he was still undecided about his future.

"If I was invited on to any position with NSW I would consider it because I have a passion to see NSW do well - whether that be as a selector, coach or boot-strapper," he said.

"It is always a privilege."

Departing Cronulla coach Ricky Stuart has been mentioned as a possible 2011 Blues coach, as has ex-Roosters coach Brad Fittler.

Phil Gould has also been touted as holding a NSW position, maybe as coaching director.The NSWRL has commissioned an independent report by former Roosters chief executive Brian Canavan into NSW's performances in recent years.

However it is understood the report may not be completed for several months.

"I want Brian to interview 80 people," said NSWRL general manager Geoff Carr. "It's not something we want to rush or look as though we are pushing something out as a PR exercise.

"We want it to be a thorough and independent review. We want to canvass a broad range of views on how we do things and how we can do things better."

Canavan plans to interview Bellamy, current and past players, administrators, selectors and former Origin greats.
 

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Blues need battering rams

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Blues need battering rams
By Phil Rothfield
July 09, 2010 12:00AM

DON'T worry about Greg Inglis, Billy Slater, Johnathan Thurston, Darren Lockyer and Cameron Smith ... the real reason that NSW can't beat Queensland in Origin football is that we have no dominating front-rowers outside of Raiders wrecking machine Tom Learoyd-Lahrs.

NSW selectors tried seven props in this year's series and apart from Learoyd-Lahrs, all of them were overpowered and demolished by a far superior Queensland pack.

The Maroons can choose and rotate between the best four front-rowers in the country - Petero Civoniceva, Ben Hannant, Matt Scott and David Shillington.

Four fearless props who will make the hard yards, provide the go-forward for the best backline in Origin history, and totally intimidate whatever the rival Blues selectors throw up at them.

The Blues used Learoyd-Lahrs, Michael Weyman, Brett White, Kade Snowden, Jason King, Josh Perry and Tim Mannah in the three Origin games this year.

As for the future, you can stamp the papers of White, Perry and King: "Never to be chosen again."

Mannah and Learoyd-Lahrs will be back next year but Weyman and Snowden did nothing to warrant genuine claims in the selection room for 2011 and into the future.

Selectors are already talking about big Tim Grant from the Panthers and Cronulla workhorse Luke Douglas to bring some desperately needed grunt and go-forward into the NSW side.

It doesn't matter who takes over from Craig Bellamy as Blues coach next year because no game plan has ever been invented to win football games - particularly Origin matches - without dominating props.

The coaching issue is expected to be resolved in coming weeks and it is now well and truly accepted at NSWRL board level that having a non-club coach like Mal Meninga is the way to go. Phil Gould had early support from some influential figures in the game but - due to his constant criticism of the NSW administration - not enough inside the boardroom, where it counts.

For that reason, outgoing Sharks coach Ricky Stuart is now an odds-on favourite to get the nod - provided, of course, that he doesn't take a possible club opportunity at the Raiders or the Tigers.

If Stuart does coach in the NRL, Blues selector and Country Origin coach Laurie Daley will almost certainly be called upon to lead the Blues.

Outside of the front-row dominance, NSW selectors are already talking privately about using Kurt Gidley as the hooker in the same way as Geoff Toovey and Andrew Johns wore the No. 9 jersey very successfully for the Blues.

In half a game on Wednesday night, the lively Gidley did more than Michael Ennis and Robbie Farah have done in two seasons of Origin football.

Selectors have shown more than enough faith in Ennis, who cost NSW the game on Wednesday night with a brain explosion when the Blues were leading in the dying moments.

The other big hole to fill next season will be finding a new captain and a five-eighth to replace retiring Sharks star Trent Barrett.

South Sydney's John Sutton, the Dragons' Jamie Soward and the Roosters' Todd Carney will be the leading contenders.

Carney, however, may have an edge because of his club combination with Pearce at the Roosters.

As for the captaincy, there is a strong push for Sharks lock Paul Gallen to take over permanently because he is one of the few players in the state who should be almost guaranteed selection for several years to come.

The Daily Telegraph understands that Gallen went close to being named skipper ahead of Barrett for game three, but officials thought it might be too controversial so close to the Andrew Johns-Timana Tahu racism row.
 

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Hagan says Gidley man to inspire Blues revival

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Hagan says Gidley man to inspire Blues revival
BY ROBERT DILLON
09 Jul, 2010 12:00 AM

NSW selectors considered him unworthy of a starting position and stripped him of the captaincy but Kurt Gidley was the man who Queensland feared most during Wednesday night's State of Origin series finale at ANZ Stadium.

As the Blues sift through the rubble after an unprecedented fifth series loss, one of the masterminds of Queensland's 2010 success, assistant coach Michael Hagan, says Gidley will be a key figure if NSW hope to rebuild and end the Maroons dynasty.

Queensland's 23-18 triumph clinched their first clean sweep since 1995 and left Blues fans wondering when, how and if the juggernaut can be stopped.

But Hagan said yesterday Gidley's display on Wednesday should give NSW cause for optimism.

Benched for game two and replaced as captain in game three by Trent Barrett, Gidley responded with probably the finest representative display of his career.

Entering the game as stop-gap hooker in the 20th minute, he created the Blues' first try, scored their second and was largely responsible for NSW grabbing a shock 18-13 lead 11 minutes from full-time.

Hagan gave an insight to the respect Queensland have for Gidley, who has played in 10 Origin games over four unsuccessful series.

"He worried us more than anybody when he came on last night," he said.

"There is no disputing his ability as a footy player and the contribution he can make to a team. I thought he really triggered some of their attack when he came on.

"I think you'd have to say he's one of the best 13 players in NSW, so it's then a matter of where does he fit into that starting team, I guess.

"I thought it was tremendous the way he played."

Hagan, who was coaching Newcastle when Gidley made his NRL debut in 2001, said it was "a bit disappointing" when NSW selectors replaced the 28-year-old as skipper, though he acknowledged Gidley was "a victim of being so versatile".

He expected Gidley, who was awarded the Brad Fittler Medal as the Blues' player of the series, would be a candidate to lead NSW next year.

"I still like to think he'd be considered as captain next year, given the contribution he makes," Hagan said.

"He's just a wholehearted player who leads by example and I think the players around him respond to him really well."

Asked whether NSW should build a future around Gidley, Hagan replied: "I think he's part of that group of players that they need to build their team around, for sure.

"That's probably not for me to talk too much about what their plans are but I think Kurt is a tremendous player and was one of their best last night."

Knights coach Rick Stone said he was proud of Gidley for proving a point to the doubters.

"I think on his performance they would have to find a starting spot for him somewhere," Stone said.

"I think he's proven in the three games last year and three games this year that he is an Origin-type player.

"They're actually quite rare in our competition, the real, genuine Origin-type players, and I think NSW are learning that hard lesson right now."

Stone said Gidley had "a bit of a bump on his shoulder" but expected to back up for Newcastle against Cronulla on Sunday.

Hagan, who was back at his desk yesterday morning, said he relished being involved as Mal Meninga's deputy for the series but work commitments would dictate whether he would be available next year.
 

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create for players, and have a nice kicking game.... sounds like nsw need luke walsh

the team rothfield picked in the d.t was good, but his bench is ****ing woeful
 
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create for players, and have a nice kicking game.... sounds like nsw need luke walsh

the team rothfield picked in the d.t was good, but his bench is ****ing woeful

Can you post it up mate?
 

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1 hayne
2 b morris
3 jennings
4 lyon
5 gordon
6 carney
7 pearce
8 TLL
9 gidley
10 douglas
11 lewis
12 gallen captain
13 bird

this is where it gets worse

14 beau scott
15 idris
16 watmough
17 tim grant
 

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What about this joke of a side than Glenn Jackson picked in the Herald? Farah instead of Ennis yes please, but Sutton and Champion in the side? No thanks. And as for Tolman and King in the front row ahead of Douglas and Snowden, don't even get me started on that one! :rant

Blues 2011

1 Jarryd Hayne

2 Brett Morris

3 Michael Jennings

4 Beau Champion

5 Michael Gordon

6 John Sutton

7 Mitchell Pearce (c)

8 Aiden Tolman

9 Robbie Farah

10 Jason King

11 Luke Lewis

12 Paul Gallen

13 Greg Bird

Interchange

14 Kurt Gidley

15 Tom Learoyd-Lahrs

16 Tim Mannah

17 Anthony Watmough

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/come-in-no6-next-nsw-pivot-has-to-stand-up-now-says-fittler-20100708-102cz.html
 

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The back row has to be:
11. Lewis/Watmough
12. Gal
13. Bird

I think it is a no brainer after wednesday night. But, NSW selectors will not pick that again if going on past selections.
 

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I'd have Champion over Scott but surely Lyon is the best option if available.. Or Maybe Gasnier, depending how his come back goes..
 

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they are the 4 back rowers, the 4 front rowers should be TLL, snow, mannah and douglas

I'd have Champion over Scott but surely Lyon is the best option if available.. Or Maybe Gasnier, depending how his come back goes..

yeh, he should be considered
 
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sutton or campese five eighth, farah hooker, snowden, douglas, tll, ben cross and michael weyman as front row options same back row half fullback wings jennings as centre with lawrence as the other
 

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1 hayne
2 b morris
3 jennings
4 lyon
5 gordon
6 carney
7 pearce
8 TLL
9 gidley
10 douglas
11 lewis
12 gallen captain
13 bird

this is where it gets worse

14 beau scott
15 idris
16 watmough
17 tim grant

HORRIBLE side.
 
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1- hayne
2- morris
3- jennings
4- lawrence
5- gordon
6- sutton/ campese
7- pearce
8- weyman
9- farah
10- douglas
11- lewis
12- gallen
13- bird
14- gidley
15- tll
16- snowden
17- watmough
 

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I'd have Champion over Scott but surely Lyon is the best option if available.. Or Maybe Gasnier, depending how his come back goes..

Forgot about Lawrence too.

There are some pretty good options there really.

Carney should probably be 5/8 if he's not in gaol by then.
 

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Watmough just isn't the same player he was last year, he looked really hesitant out there on wednesday night.

11. Lewis
12. Gal
13. Bird

I believe that's our best backrow right there. Plenty of grunt, ball skill and hard-hitting defence.

As for NSW halfback, I still think Pearce is our best (only?) option. Once again he really stepped up in defence, but failed to impress when it came to running the ball. I'd still keep the faith in him for next year, though.

Centre pairing I'd have to go with Jennings and Lawrence.
 

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As of right now, my team would be (these people being the mortal lacks/no brainers)...

1. Hayne
2. Morris
3. Jennings

4. Lawrence
5. Gordon
6. Barrett (c)
7. Pearce

8. Weyman
9. Farah
10. Douglas
11. Lewis
12. Gallen
13. Bird


14. TLL
15. Gidley
16. Mannah

17. Snowden/Watmough
 

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1- hayne
2- morris
3- jennings
4- lawrence
5- gordon
6- sutton/ campese
7- pearce
8- weyman
9- farah
10- douglas
11- lewis
12- gallen
13- bird
14- gidley
15- tll
16- snowden
17- watmough

Michael Weyman should never be allowed anywhere near a NSW jersey ever again.

Absolutely woeful in Games 1 & 2 and is extremely overrated.

Snowy and Dougie in the front row for me.
 
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