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"The ASADA Wing"
Sharks Leagues Club Development Plan
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dylan the villian
Jaws
Good news, assuming it gets past DA, didn't we have to scale down the amount of units originally to get it this where we are now?
And what % of sales would we get? Also where is it going to go? A whole new block? Or changing the floor plans of the existing business block?
And what % of sales would we get? Also where is it going to go? A whole new block? Or changing the floor plans of the existing business block?
Gow's Scissors
Great White
We did have to scale down the western side. This proposed upgrade is on the eastern side.
snowman
Total gronk
what I am interested in, is how the 200 units will be spaced? are they going up or out? if they are going up, awesome, better views of the ****ty city
if they are going outwards, well, I suspect that would have something to do with fitz post in the traditional suburban ground thread
if that's the case, and they want all these fancy new things, could it be at the expense of our ground?
if they are going outwards, well, I suspect that would have something to do with fitz post in the traditional suburban ground thread
if that's the case, and they want all these fancy new things, could it be at the expense of our ground?
my concerns as well snowie
At this stage, expect towers or ziggurat-formed structures (a-la Brighton Novotel) on top of the roof carpark of the retail (eastern) side.
snowman
Total gronk
I thought that, but my concern is if they decide to go wide....
any chance of putting the hotel/motel as part of the leagues club ala panthers
I reckon that would be a beast idea and would attract the out of town visitors more often than not
I suspect the hotel side of things would be run by Dino Mezzatesta's company Accor Asia Pacific. From what I understand, the current board has little or no interest in running a Leagues Club or a Hotel.
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That would be a conflict of interest wouldn't it?
Only if he is still a director.
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Bay of plenty: Ambitious plans for Woolooware expansion
By Murray Trembath
Nov. 20, 2014, 6:18 a.m.
PLANS have been drawn up to expand the Woolooware Bay Town Centre development by adding 200 more apartments, a hotel and conference centre, community facilities and a sports centre of excellence.
Bluestone Property, the Cronulla Sharks’ development partner, said the proposed changes stem from the huge demand for homes already released and feedback about other facilities needed in Sutherland Shire.
The company said the ‘‘enhancement’’ would make the development ‘‘a true town centre’’.
Meetings have been arranged over the next week to brief club members and people who have already bought apartments in the development.
Sutherland Shire Council was the first to be briefed.
Bluestone said it wanted to work with the council and community to refine the plans before seeking approval from the state government’s Planning Assessment Commission.
The expansion is planned for the eastern side of Remondis Stadium, where the leagues club car park stands.
Approval has previously been given for this site to become a retail centre of five to six levels, including parking.
Under the revised plans, three apartment blocks would rise from a podium on top of the retail centre.
One block, facing Woolooware Bay, would be 10 storeys above podium level, and the other two buildings, on the boundary of Captain Cook Drive, would be six storeys up from the podium.
Bluestone said the area around the bases of the buildings would be extensively landscaped, with vertical gardens providing a ‘‘green wall’’ and ‘‘green top’’ to the retail centre.
Shared residential facilities would include an infinity edge pool overlooking Woolooware Bay.
A new 75-room hotel, including short term stay serviced apartments, as well as a function centre catering for 300-400 people would be built next to Captain Cook Drive.
The hotel and Sharkies leagues club would be entered via an elevated road with views over Woolooware Bay.
Access would also be improved to the retail centre and there would be a public walkway from Captain Cook Drive to the foreshore.
Bluestone said its research and community feedback showed the shire was desperately in need of hotel accommodation and conference facilities.
A study commissioned by the council in 2013 had found the site was ideal for a new hotel.
Bluestone said the combination of a hotel and conference facilities, top sports stadium and retail centre close to Cronulla’s beaches could attract sporting teams from within Australia and overseas.
The stadium would also be an attractive venue for a wide variety of non-sporting shows and events.
The conference facilities would be owned and operated by the Sharks club.
Community spaces have also been added to the plans. They would be for social, recreational, sporting, artistic and cultural purposes, and particularly for use by young people.
Bluestone said demand for community facilities had also led it to decide to sacrifice residential floor space and provide a men’s shed and child care centre in the next stage of the development on the western side of the stadium.
SPORTS CENTRE A BONUS
A sports centre of excellence would be built behind the ET Stand and extend around to the Southern Stand.
Bluestone said this facility could cater not only for the Sharks rugby league club, but also for other elite sports programs in the shire. It would have facilities such as a gym, fitness centre and treatment rooms that would be used year-around.
Bluestone said other codes had expressed interest in sharing its use and the NSW Institute of Sport had been approached about establishing a regional operation.
The question of who would fund the facility was not clear.
Bluestone said there was ‘‘a long way to go, but it could be a combination of re-investment by the Sharks and external funding,’’ the developer said.
COMMUNITY REACTION
Sharks chairman Damian Keogh was cautious.
‘‘The initial proposal around a further evolution of the retail and town centre appears to add to the overall development,’’ he said.
‘‘The club is working through this proposal with Bluestone regarding the potential returns to the club.
‘‘When we came on as a new board, we inherited a set of signed contracts with Bluestone from the previous board, which did not allow us to have any say over what they might do with their areas.
‘‘We have no control over it.
‘‘If they choose to do anything, we don’t have a veto right under the contract we inherited.’’
Sutherland Shire mayor Kent Johns said he was pleased Bluestone was ‘‘engaging with the council at an early stage’’ and was ‘‘impressed they want to include hotel accommodation because this is something the shire desperately needs’’.
Cronulla MP Mark Speakman, who opposed the size of the original development, said he would comment after receiving a briefing from Bluestone on Monday.
Secretary of the Cronulla Residents Association Marilyn Urch said she was ‘‘shocked they are proposing three more big apartment blocks’’, but thought the hotel ‘‘could be a good idea’’ for tourism.
Former chairman of the Cronulla Residents Association George Capsis said the development had ‘‘ruined the area, and they are just going to keep adding to it’’.
HIGH DEMAND
‘‘Woolooware Bay has been embraced by the local community with property sales exceeding expectations,’’ Bluestone managing director Ben Fairfax said.
‘‘Ninety per cent of homes that have been released area already sold, the vast majority of these to shire residents.
‘‘This clearly demonstrates the strong demand for homes in our community for our community.’’
Mr Fairfax said it was hoped to formally exhibit the plans in the first quarter of next year and obtain approval by July-August.
He said the changes would delay the construction of the retail centre by only ‘‘a couple of months’’.
Mr Fairfax said the apartment blocks could be built after the retail centre was opened.
He said the residential areas on the western and eastern side of the stadium would have different environments.
The proposed apartment blocks might particularly appeal to older residents because of their proximity to the retail centre.
Many homes would be designed with the needs of older residents in mind, he said.
Follow this link for the slide show
http://www.theleader.com.au/story/2...ans-for-woolooware-expansion/?cs=1507#slide=1
By Murray Trembath
Nov. 20, 2014, 6:18 a.m.
PLANS have been drawn up to expand the Woolooware Bay Town Centre development by adding 200 more apartments, a hotel and conference centre, community facilities and a sports centre of excellence.
Bluestone Property, the Cronulla Sharks’ development partner, said the proposed changes stem from the huge demand for homes already released and feedback about other facilities needed in Sutherland Shire.
The company said the ‘‘enhancement’’ would make the development ‘‘a true town centre’’.
Meetings have been arranged over the next week to brief club members and people who have already bought apartments in the development.
Sutherland Shire Council was the first to be briefed.
Bluestone said it wanted to work with the council and community to refine the plans before seeking approval from the state government’s Planning Assessment Commission.
The expansion is planned for the eastern side of Remondis Stadium, where the leagues club car park stands.
Approval has previously been given for this site to become a retail centre of five to six levels, including parking.
Under the revised plans, three apartment blocks would rise from a podium on top of the retail centre.
One block, facing Woolooware Bay, would be 10 storeys above podium level, and the other two buildings, on the boundary of Captain Cook Drive, would be six storeys up from the podium.
Bluestone said the area around the bases of the buildings would be extensively landscaped, with vertical gardens providing a ‘‘green wall’’ and ‘‘green top’’ to the retail centre.
Shared residential facilities would include an infinity edge pool overlooking Woolooware Bay.
A new 75-room hotel, including short term stay serviced apartments, as well as a function centre catering for 300-400 people would be built next to Captain Cook Drive.
The hotel and Sharkies leagues club would be entered via an elevated road with views over Woolooware Bay.
Access would also be improved to the retail centre and there would be a public walkway from Captain Cook Drive to the foreshore.
Bluestone said its research and community feedback showed the shire was desperately in need of hotel accommodation and conference facilities.
A study commissioned by the council in 2013 had found the site was ideal for a new hotel.
Bluestone said the combination of a hotel and conference facilities, top sports stadium and retail centre close to Cronulla’s beaches could attract sporting teams from within Australia and overseas.
The stadium would also be an attractive venue for a wide variety of non-sporting shows and events.
The conference facilities would be owned and operated by the Sharks club.
Community spaces have also been added to the plans. They would be for social, recreational, sporting, artistic and cultural purposes, and particularly for use by young people.
Bluestone said demand for community facilities had also led it to decide to sacrifice residential floor space and provide a men’s shed and child care centre in the next stage of the development on the western side of the stadium.
SPORTS CENTRE A BONUS
A sports centre of excellence would be built behind the ET Stand and extend around to the Southern Stand.
Bluestone said this facility could cater not only for the Sharks rugby league club, but also for other elite sports programs in the shire. It would have facilities such as a gym, fitness centre and treatment rooms that would be used year-around.
Bluestone said other codes had expressed interest in sharing its use and the NSW Institute of Sport had been approached about establishing a regional operation.
The question of who would fund the facility was not clear.
Bluestone said there was ‘‘a long way to go, but it could be a combination of re-investment by the Sharks and external funding,’’ the developer said.
COMMUNITY REACTION
Sharks chairman Damian Keogh was cautious.
‘‘The initial proposal around a further evolution of the retail and town centre appears to add to the overall development,’’ he said.
‘‘The club is working through this proposal with Bluestone regarding the potential returns to the club.
‘‘When we came on as a new board, we inherited a set of signed contracts with Bluestone from the previous board, which did not allow us to have any say over what they might do with their areas.
‘‘We have no control over it.
‘‘If they choose to do anything, we don’t have a veto right under the contract we inherited.’’
Sutherland Shire mayor Kent Johns said he was pleased Bluestone was ‘‘engaging with the council at an early stage’’ and was ‘‘impressed they want to include hotel accommodation because this is something the shire desperately needs’’.
Cronulla MP Mark Speakman, who opposed the size of the original development, said he would comment after receiving a briefing from Bluestone on Monday.
Secretary of the Cronulla Residents Association Marilyn Urch said she was ‘‘shocked they are proposing three more big apartment blocks’’, but thought the hotel ‘‘could be a good idea’’ for tourism.
Former chairman of the Cronulla Residents Association George Capsis said the development had ‘‘ruined the area, and they are just going to keep adding to it’’.
HIGH DEMAND
‘‘Woolooware Bay has been embraced by the local community with property sales exceeding expectations,’’ Bluestone managing director Ben Fairfax said.
‘‘Ninety per cent of homes that have been released area already sold, the vast majority of these to shire residents.
‘‘This clearly demonstrates the strong demand for homes in our community for our community.’’
Mr Fairfax said it was hoped to formally exhibit the plans in the first quarter of next year and obtain approval by July-August.
He said the changes would delay the construction of the retail centre by only ‘‘a couple of months’’.
Mr Fairfax said the apartment blocks could be built after the retail centre was opened.
He said the residential areas on the western and eastern side of the stadium would have different environments.
The proposed apartment blocks might particularly appeal to older residents because of their proximity to the retail centre.
Many homes would be designed with the needs of older residents in mind, he said.
Follow this link for the slide show
http://www.theleader.com.au/story/2...ans-for-woolooware-expansion/?cs=1507#slide=1
Well on the one hand it looks like a classic case of developer overreach/a cash grab.
But on the other hand the design of the extended shopping centre and hotel facility looks much, much better than the original. You would have to think that a hotel would be a pretty profitable venture too. And the sports training centre is something I've been banging on about for a while - high level facilities have become part of the cost of competing in Australia's top competitions. Getting the NSW Institute of Sport on board will hopefully attract some government funding.
My queries:
- What's the return for the Club going to be? Initially it was a share of the apartments + a cash flow from the shopping centre. Do we get a look at the returns from these additional apartments? What about the hotel?
- Whaddabout parking?
- And what about the "stadium" itself? I'd love to see the ET standand roof extended right to the Southern Stand and right around to the PB in a big U with the hill left open. That would provide the sort of covered seating numbers we'll need over the next 30 years.
But on the other hand the design of the extended shopping centre and hotel facility looks much, much better than the original. You would have to think that a hotel would be a pretty profitable venture too. And the sports training centre is something I've been banging on about for a while - high level facilities have become part of the cost of competing in Australia's top competitions. Getting the NSW Institute of Sport on board will hopefully attract some government funding.
My queries:
- What's the return for the Club going to be? Initially it was a share of the apartments + a cash flow from the shopping centre. Do we get a look at the returns from these additional apartments? What about the hotel?
- Whaddabout parking?
- And what about the "stadium" itself? I'd love to see the ET standand roof extended right to the Southern Stand and right around to the PB in a big U with the hill left open. That would provide the sort of covered seating numbers we'll need over the next 30 years.
sharks2010
Dribbler
If like the know the revenue this will inject into the club also
BlackWhiteBlue
Jaws
centre of excellence to be built from the ET to Monty Porter stands........sounds like us excellent ****s will fit in well
snowman
Total gronk
depends who you speak to, Craig Airy speaks highly of running the club and leagues club... spoke with Keogh at a kings game recently and he is relishing in it as well, so I am at ease
Yes, it does depend who you speak to but also who the speaker is speaking to.
snowman
Total gronk
maybe so, but I also had a phone call with him and he was pretty genuine in doing the right thing by the club
either way, they are in charge now, so until the completely **** up you just gotta let them do their job
either way, they are in charge now, so until the completely **** up you just gotta let them do their job
slide rule
Jaws
Nice little project for the local pensioners to work on with their crayons.