Sharks Forever Choice 2010: Hooker

Who are your hooker choices for 2010 (please select two)


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Megashark

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Yeah totally agree Mega, do you think that Aiton has the ability to be something special under Ricky? When the guy is on he is very sharp but he was inconsistant with the Panthers, maybe Ricky can bring a bit more out of the guy and have him playing to his potential week in week out

Yes I agree completely with that Kiwishark - Aiton was always a player who stood out for me when I would watch Panthers games, and I certainly think that Ricky can bring out the best in him. The big unknown is how he will come back from his off season knee reconstruction - this is invariably major surgery and we saw how Reece struggled to make an impact last season after the same operation.
 
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nup seriously i dont like morris how he played at tigers. nup no way.
Aiton starting and Flanagan bench.

ive never been a huge fan of morris. sure he will play a few rounds for top grade. but aiton is too much of good talent to be replaced by morris.

morris to me is a worry..

hell i could be wrong and he could be our best player next year
 

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I will also go with that to start the season at least, if one or both fails to impress then we have Flanagan and Joudo awaiting their opportunity. At least we have plenty of depth in that position, despite having no one of the quality of De Gois.

Thing is though, Flanagan was rated higher than de Gois when they were juniors and backups to Robbie Farah at the Tigers. Its why we got de Gois when we did- Sheens kept Flanagan, partly because he was more similar in style to Farah and thus fitted the tigers gameplan better, whereas de Gois is more Buderus-like.

Aiton's in the same class as de Gois as well, he's just not found the consistency that comes with quality coaching yet.
 

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nup seriously i dont like morris how he played at tigers. nup no way.
Aiton starting and Flanagan bench.

ive never been a huge fan of morris. sure he will play a few rounds for top grade. but aiton is too much of good talent to be replaced by morris.

morris to me is a worry..

hell i could be wrong and he could be our best player next year

To be fair he mainly played in the halves at Tigers where he is not very good. I think he should at least begin the season there being an experienced and useful utility player but i do think if someone could turn out to be a dud it will be him. But he still deserves the first opportunity to prove us wrong.
 

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Thing is though, Flanagan was rated higher than de Gois when they were juniors and backups to Robbie Farah at the Tigers. Its why we got de Gois when we did- Sheens kept Flanagan, partly because he was more similar in style to Farah and thus fitted the tigers gameplan better, whereas de Gois is more Buderus-like.

Aiton's in the same class as de Gois as well, he's just not found the consistency that comes with quality coaching yet.

Both Flanagan and Aiton are good players for sure, and if either one turns out to be as good for us as de Gois was then I will be very happy.
 

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i would start Morris at Hooker to defend etc and have Paul Aiton come on as an Impact Hooker after about 20-25 minutes..
 

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Bah! If we're going to take a punt on a talented but unproven player for the future, this is the one.* Flanagan's 23, not 19- he's ready to play 1st grade for Christ's sake!

This talk of Morris "flourishing" at hooker- it may be his best position, but that's only becuase he's very average at half and five-eighth. Ask a tigers fan and hear them tell you about his performances there... the horrible passes, the slow runs. He's fit... so what? So's Gal, but no one's suggesting he should be the dummy half.

Edit: *By god we need to take a punt on some talent.

I don't necessarily agree with that tbh. I recognise that Flanagan is the better talent, and I recognise he's 23, but he's not the seasoned footballer as his age would show.

Our side is very young (more importantly our halfback is very inexperienced). Porter is the player who organises the team around the park, and he hasn't got the experience yet to do it on a consistent basis (all you Porter haters out there - don't take this as a chance to flame him). Morris is a great organising hooker.

Not all hookers have to be that flashy, quick, playmaker sort. Morris will play a Cam Smith type of role serving as a second halfback from acting half, helping the forwards roll on. The team really lacked direction last year and thats what Morris brings.
 

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Our side is very young (more importantly our halfback is very inexperienced). Porter is the player who organises the team around the park, and he hasn't got the experience yet to do it on a consistent basis (all you Porter haters out there - don't take this as a chance to flame him). Morris is a great organising hooker.

Not all hookers have to be that flashy, quick, playmaker sort. Morris will play a Cam Smith type of role serving as a second halfback from acting half, helping the forwards roll on. The team really lacked direction last year and thats what Morris brings.

Yeah good points mate, thats why I see him as a perfect bench player because he can do some many different roles, and do them well!
 

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Yeah good points mate, thats why I see him as a perfect bench player because he can do some many different roles, and do them well!

Haha, seems you misunderstood chief. They're all one role. Thats an organising hooker role. You don't bring organising hookers off the bench, it just won't work. You start with them to direct and steer the team around with the 6 or 7 depending on who is the other organiser.
 

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I don't necessarily agree with that tbh. I recognise that Flanagan is the better talent, and I recognise he's 23, but he's not the seasoned footballer as his age would show.

That may be true, but he's hardly going to flourish into a mature 1st grader playing nsw cup is he? His age suggests that his body would be mature enough to play 1st grade and that he would understand his game enough to play 1sts.

Guess how many 1st grade games Stuart Flanagan has played?
Answer: 24.


That's 9 more that Ports, and you, like me, are happy to have him at half.

Our side is very young (more importantly our halfback is very inexperienced). Porter is the player who organises the team around the park, and he hasn't got the experience yet to do it on a consistent basis (all you Porter haters out there - don't take this as a chance to flame him). Morris is a great organising hooker.

Somewhat inexperienced yes, but this will be Barrett's 15th season of 1st grade footy and though Porter hasn't played much 1st grade, he's a mature bloke not some 20 year old fresh from the Toyota Cup.

And mate, I don't think you'll find many Porter 'haters'- everyone here thinks he's a good bloke who did a good job for us last year, they just wonder if he's got the talent to be a long term option for us.

Not all hookers have to be that flashy, quick, playmaker sort. Morris will play a Cam Smith type of role serving as a second halfback from acting half, helping the forwards roll on. The team really lacked direction last year and thats what Morris brings.

That seems a little contradictory... they don't have to be "flashy, quick, playmaker sort" they can play "a Cam Smith type of role serving as a second halfback"??? I'm not suggesting Flanagan be purely a runner- I think Aiton's style is more along those lines. I'm suggesting that Flanagan has better skills to play the classy, controlling 2nd halfback option for us. My point is that Flano has better skills that Morris, already. He needs confidence and faith.

Surely Morris has to prove himself as a hooker too? He's played almost his entire career in the halves, its not like we've picked up a bloke who's been playing 9 for his previous club. At least Flano is a proven hooker, though fringe 1st grader.
 

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That may be true, but he's hardly going to flourish into a mature 1st grader playing nsw cup is he? His age suggests that his body would be mature enough to play 1st grade and that he would understand his game enough to play 1sts.

Guess how many 1st grade games Stuart Flanagan has played?
Answer: 24.


That's 9 more that Ports, and you, like me, are happy to have him at half.

lol At the Porter argument. If we had a more experienced, talented option (both of those, not just one of the two), then he'd be our first choice. You use the tools you've got.

Understanding and consistency is two different things. I didn't disagree that Flanagan, in the long run, is the better option. However, the preferred option, for the start of the season atleast is clearly Morris. Let Flanagan play NSWCup and get that consistency.

Somewhat inexperienced yes, but this will be Barrett's 15th season of 1st grade footy and though Porter hasn't played much 1st grade, he's a mature bloke not some 20 year old fresh from the Toyota Cup.

I was talking about the whole team, not just the halves. The entire team needs as many experienced heads as they can get.

That seems a little contradictory... they don't have to be "flashy, quick, playmaker sort" they can play "a Cam Smith type of role serving as a second halfback"??? I'm not suggesting Flanagan be purely a runner- I think Aiton's style is more along those lines. I'm suggesting that Flanagan has better skills to play the classy, controlling 2nd halfback option for us. My point is that Flano has better skills that Morris, already. He needs confidence and faith.

For christ sake mate, you're running a dead argument. I clearly said that Flanagan is the more skilled player, and will eventually be our 9. Don't throw words into my mouth in the sake of making me look like a fool.

As for confidence and faith, I agree. Confidence and faith however, is not chucking the bloke who has only played 24 games straight in there with an inexperienced team. Thats just plain silly.

Surely Morris has to prove himself as a hooker too? He's played almost his entire career in the halves, its not like we've picked up a bloke who's been playing 9 for his previous club. At least Flano is a proven hooker, though fringe 1st grader.

No, but his best position is 9. And we picked him up to be our 9.


I don't know how most of you are basing you votes, but I'm doing mine the most logical way and picking what we think the team should be come Round 1. If you're doing it any other way then it's not accurate, you're relying on ability, form and all sorts of other variables that you can't control.
 

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Haha, seems you misunderstood chief. They're all one role. Thats an organising hooker role. You don't bring organising hookers off the bench, it just won't work. You start with them to direct and steer the team around with the 6 or 7 depending on who is the other organiser.

Haha it seems you misunderstood, he is a bench player because he offers utility value, the guy still creates from dummy half and can cover 3 positions, I would not mind if he starts either way he offers alot to the team.
And as you said he will play a Cam Smith type role, IMO there is no bad time to bring a guy like that on the field it totally depends on the style of play on the day
 

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I hope to see Lancen Joudo play NRL this year at some stage. He's got the goods I reckon.
 

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Morris to start with aiton off the bench. later in the year would like to see flannagan get a run.
 

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Just quietly, I think Morris will start under the "We just want to prove from the start that we knew what we were doing when we signed him" logic. Wouldn't be the first time.
 

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I would start with Morris for at least the start of the season with Aiton on the bench. There will probably be an occasion where Morris needs to play in the halves so then it will be Aiton starting and Flanagan off the bench.
 

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I think you'll find that the Club has shown their intentions fairly clearly when you look at the amount of prominence that they've given to Morris in the 2010 Membership brochure here
 

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I think you'll find that the Club has shown their intentions fairly clearly when you look at the amount of prominence that they've given to Morris in the 2010 Membership brochure here

Porter, Morris, Tupou, Douglas

I believe those players are chosen to appear on the membership brochure because of their 'clean' histories. Gallen is there but in the background.
 

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Porter, Morris, Tupou, Douglas

I believe those players are chosen to appear on the membership brochure because of their 'clean' histories. Gallen is there but in the background.

Good observation Beejay...but obviously not a history of 'clean' language as far as SFP is concerned! :p

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