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lickjimmy1

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Hey champ..

Best post I have seen in a long time and as a market analyst this makes better reading then most of the stuff I do day to day... ;)

I would love to see the team you have posted.....if you could do a screen dump it would be good times...

CHeers
 

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welcome wibble what a great first post cant wait for the next one well done.
 

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our next contestant was home schooled until the age of 12 and now he isn't accepted anywhere, so he plays on the computer all day, hoping to one day get out of the basement and live somewhere that has natural light. please welcome to the stage, princess peach (AKA red alert)!
 

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Thanks all for the welcome

Thanks for the welcome all!

Of course, I’d sacrifice you all on a giant bonfire in a second to get the Sharks a premiership :) …but I’d do the same to my wife :p

Thanks for the league work Brad and Scott- I’ll be there.

Thanks Megashark for the endorsement- I’ll have a go with any statistics I can lay my hands on. If anyone knows any other online sources I’d love to look at them. The stats at the FoxSports site seem accurate, though I’d like some stats on metres gained, and kicking (number of kicks, tries from kicks, metres from kicks, kicks diffused etc).

Also, I believe the Sharks had the highest number of dominant tackles last year and conceded the lowest number, but I have no sources- I’d love to know that.

The stats I used here were a little contrived in that they were based on points for the fantasy league, but I think the fantasy league gives good value for most relevant stats. I will do a comparison based on the dream team points as well, when I get a chance…
I put in a few more stats with Sharks players (in bold) below not related to fantasy team points, just for interest’s sake.

I just use Excel- it is great for most statistics, can even do more complicated regression and tests for significance if needed, though I don’t go that far most of the time. I have just copied and pasted the stats from the FoxSports site on tries, try assists, runs, tackles, minutes played etc for each player in to an excel spreadsheet and dlooked at it all with a few simple formulas and Pivot (not 5/8!) tables.

I’ll have a look at the chickenhawks, though without some more stats (about what players/teams concede, not just what they do) it will be a bit general. I can already tell you from my fantasy team that Stewart is a high value back, because of his try scoring strike rate, but you didn’t need stats for that! Hope to get that posted later tonight (since I don’t have to do work tonight- Yay!)

Jimmy (or should I call you Lick?), my team at the moment is:
Player................Cost........Position.....Points.....Club
Adam Peek...........3...........Prop..........272.5.....Sharks
Luke Stuart..........5...........Prop..........417........Souths
Sam Rapira.........5.5..........Prop..........464........Warriors
Anthony Laffranchi.6..........Backrow.....584........Titans
Michael Luck.........6..........Backrow.....558........Warriors
Anthony Watmough.8.........Backrow.....690.5......Manly
Glen Stewart.........6.5.......Backrow.....542.........Manly
Robbie Farah.........10........Hooker.......719.........Tigers
Tim Smith..............5.........Halfback.....311.........Els
Brett Delaney.........5.........Inside Bk.....375........Titans
Daryl Millard...........6.........Inside Bk.....495........Bulldogs
Gavin Cooper.........4..........Inside Bk.....310.......Titans
Michael Witt..........8..........Inside Bk.....581.5.....Warriors
Steve Michaels.....2.5........Outside Bk...332.5.....Broncos
Sam Perrett..........6..........Outside Bk....403......Roosters
Matt Bowen.........11.........Outside Bk....716.5....Cowboys
Steve Turner.......7.5.........Outside Bk.....488......Storm
Points Left 5 Total 8259.5
Coach - Henry 3 -24

As you can see, this team has 5 points left, and I’m not sure how to spend them yet. The most efficient cost to points earned team is this one, but since I have the 5 points left, I can spend them on a less efficient player who earns more points. I can’t quite afford Price (who earned the most points last year) but Asotasi is possibly a good upgrade for Peek. Michaels is a bargain in terms of points earned to cost, and I can’t see him not getting a fair amount of game time again this year, but he is very new and might not play as much with Hunt and Hodges probably getting more game time this year (though Tate is gone). Maybe if Mini plays more Perrett will play less as well. I will probably swap out Michaels or Perrett for Covell, firstly because Covell will score more points overall than either of them (even if not as efficiently for his cost), and also because he is a dead set legend and hoping he does well each week means hoping the Sharks give him plenty of tries to convert.

At the moment Bowen and Farah would swap captaincy depending on the defence of the team the Cowboys/Tigers play each week (you get double points for captains and Farah and Bowen earn a lot of points from scoring or setting up tries).

WARNING: Too many stats can be harmful to your health. The surgeon general advises skipping these if they don’t interest you.

Some more Stats
Looking at just real stats (without weighting them against each other with fantasy points), there are some great snippets as well (though an overall story from last season will take a while to reveal itself).
Kevin Kingston has the highest rate of effective tackles made per minute on the field of all players in the NRL (0.698 effective tackles per minute- he really is a defensive gun).
Selmes is the next ranked Shark (17th) at that stat (partially from only playing for a limited time last year), and Douglas is 32nd at 0.552 effective tackles per minute.
Ross leads the way for the Sharks in runs per minute, and at 0.306 runs per minute is 21st in the NRL overall.
Also rather intriguing was that nearly every forward has an effective tackle rate of 85% to 90%, with the top 80 or so from 90% to 95% (including Peek, Ross, Kingston, Cooper and Thompson). Effective tackle rate is the percentage of good tackles compared to all tackles (including missed and ineffective tackles). Nearly every back has an effective tackle rate of 60% to 80%. As outside backs are marginally worse than inside backs I’d say the number of one on one tackles attempted has some effect on this stat.
(I’d love to calculate this stat based on one on one tackles…)
As you’d also expect, the players who make the most tackle busts and line breaks per run are backs- guess who is first?
No prizes for guessing Matt Bowen- he makes a tackle bust or line break on an amazing 72% of his runs. Next closest out of any player who made more than 100 runs last season is Matt Orford, at 59%. Inglis is 3rd at 56%, then some more surprises- Tim Smith is 4th at 56% (but rounded up to 56%) and Mullen is 5th at 55%. Wedged between McKinnon at 6th and Gasnier at 8th (and the only reason I’ve run this stat to 8th rank) is another player that surprised me (though I think he is great)….Luke Covell busts a tackle or makes a line break (based on 2007 stats) on 54% of his runs (Covell is second only behind Bowen in tackle busts per run!).
Bird is the 12th ranked forward on this stat, just ahead of SBW.
Just looking at line breaks, Mat Rogers has the highest rate of line breaks per run for any player in the NRL that made 100 or more runs last year, at 10.71%. :cry
Taking try assists per minute played last year, obviously halfbacks top the list (though sadly no Sharks halves…though Noddy is ahead of Rovelli, Hornby, Finch, Perry, Morris, Watts and Smith at this). Gallen is the second best forward though, just behind Ben Te’o whose stat has been boosted a bit by less game time. This stat would be quite volatile though, as try assists are not very frequent. Gallen also is just below Cuthbertson, Tupou, SBW and Webb in offloads per minute (not counting a handful of players who made 1 or 2 offloads but only played a few minutes).

I’ll have a look at some chickenhawk V Sharks stats and post back.
 

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I’ll have a go with any statistics I can lay my hands on. If anyone knows any other online sources I’d love to look at them. The stats at the FoxSports site seem accurate, though I’d like some stats on metres gained, and kicking (number of kicks, tries from kicks, metres from kicks, kicks diffused etc).

Hey Wibble, the updated NRL site is promising more comprehensive stats than previously available, here's the link:

http://www.nrl.com/Stats/StatsExplained/tabid/10665/default.aspx
 

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chickenhawks V Sharks

Thanks Megashark, the NRL Site stats look like they'll be great.

Well, I compiled the player stats from the Sharks and Manly players from the FoxSports Fantasy site, and given the difference in ladder positions last year, the stats I have don’t show too much difference between the teams.

I’ll give an update when the team lists for the game are released, but based on these two lists, the main difference is that Manly scored a lot more tries than the Sharks (amazing things, stats. Never would have guessed….)

In 2007 Manly scored 98 tries to the Sharks 74, with 60 try assists to the Sharks 45.
But with the current 25 players in the Fantasy squads, the points scored per half of football as an average per 13 players is 13.5 per half for Manly compared to 10.7 for the Sharks. There are a number of things that might have evened this stat out between the teams compared to the overall tries- the change of rosters from 2007 to 2008, and the lower minutes played for the Sharks players in the Stats- we have obviously lost more players with game time but no point scoring in 2007 from our squad than Manly have or we had more players used not in the top 25 (probable given the injuries we had).

One big scoring difference was Manly’s 2 field goals from 4 shots compared to the Shark’s 1 field goal from 12 shots!

The Sharks made fewer runs and fewer tackles, and also had fewer errors and fewer penalties conceded, but none of these were too different (and we weren’t scoring tries…what were we doing??). The Sharks did however make more offloads (311 to 305), and their effective tackle rate was slightly higher at 86.81% compared to Manly’s 86.22% (not really a significant difference). Manly had a slightly higher rate of tackle busts or linebreaks per run (25.02%) compared to the Sharks (at 23.93%).

I would ideally love to have all the stats for all the teams (I’ll try to gather them) so I can do some proper regression analysis to account for oppositions played. Until then, or until I get the team list, that will have to do…of course, stats (particularly ones as limited as the ones I’m working with) don’t tell the full story. My prediction: Sharks by 4
 

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Hey guys that time of year again.
I have created another Sharks league that is available for anyone to join and I invite you all to join and inform everyone you know to join.
Go to www.foxsports.com.au and then go to Fantasy NRL. Sign up and enter
6045-889 as the league code you wish to join.

Nate
 

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One big scoring difference was Manly’s 2 field goals from 4 shots compared to the Shark’s 1 field goal from 12 shots!

Well it's not hard to see why the boys looked so stoked when Seymour potted that long range attempt against the Eels! :p

My prediction: Sharks by 4

I would take that at the fortress that is Brookvale, for that matter I would take victory by a one-pointer against those dirty ol' buzzards! :cheers
 

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Jump on board mine guys as I am planning to have as many as 40 or 50 competitors, ah facebook and myspace are wonderful things.
 

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Thanks mate... looks good...

Might base my team around this.. but there is no chance i am leaving bird and gallen out....
 

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I have no idea how they calculate this rating

Penrith 157.5
Storm 153
Roosters 152
Knights 151
Dragons 150.5

Titans 149.5 (actually 155.5, but for 26 players- every other team has 25 players- the average for 25 players is 149.5)
Tigers 149.5
Bulldogs 149
Manly 148.5
Eels 147.5
Broncos 145
Cowboys 143.5
Rabbitohs140
Warriors 137
Sharks 134.5
Raiders 133.5

Neither do I.
 
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