Semi Final 2022 - Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks vs South Sydney Rabbitohs, Saturday 17 September 8:00pm @ SFS

[BurgoShark]

Latrell and Cody are why AJ scores tries.

Similar could be said for most wingers.

There have definitely been some exceptions over the years (Holmes, Radradra, Hayne, Sailor, Blacklock) but for the most part wingers aren't putting their teams on their backs. They need go-forward, a quick play the ball, good halves, and well run decoys to create opportunities for them.

"Sharksforever forum - where scoring 30 tries is a negative".

 

[andrew's_sharks]

Similar could be said for most wingers.

There have definitely been some exceptions over the years (Holmes, Radradra, Hayne, Sailor, Blacklock) but for the most part wingers aren't putting their teams on their backs. They need go-forward, a quick play the ball, good halves, and well run decoys to create opportunities for them.

"Sharksforever forum - where scoring 30 tries is a negative".

AJ is a respectable winger. At the end of the day a winger's main job is to score tries and he does it very well and I am sure he does not break the bank.

 

[snowman]

Similar could be said for most wingers.

There have definitely been some exceptions over the years (Holmes, Radradra, Hayne, Sailor, Blacklock) but for the most part wingers aren't putting their teams on their backs. They need go-forward, a quick play the ball, good halves, and well run decoys to create opportunities for them.

"Sharksforever forum - where scoring 30 tries is a negative".

no one said it was a negative, but if i am offered ronaldo or aj i am taking ronaldo 10 times out of 10

 

[Milkshark]

Regarding AJ, listening to SEN this week, a few people were saying he isn’t a top 10 winger.

Scores lot of trys though.

 

[bort]

AJ is a respectable winger. At the end of the day a winger's main job is to score tries and he does it very well and I am sure he does not break the bank.

He'd be up there as an elite 'traditional' style winger. Probably the best in the current NRL.
These days most have to have something else in their kitbag (size, height, runs out of trouble, leaping, finishing) but he shows if you're good enough at the fundamentals of the role you can still succeed (assuming of course you have someone decent feeding you the ball).

no one said it was a negative, but if i am offered ronaldo or aj i am taking ronaldo 10 times out of 10

He's certainly had a popularity swing in here, think all are on board now and definitely weren't last season.
Not aimed at you specifically, can't remember your thoughts, but some definitely weren't convinced by him.
Has killed it this season.

 

[egg]

Andrew John's Game assessment
Brisbane Times

Cronulla v South Sydney​

The challenge for Souths is whether, emotionally and physically, they can get up again.
If their forwards can hold their own, Lachlan Ilias, Cody Walker and Latrell Mitchell will just take over.

Walker was Cliff Lyons-like against the Roosters. As for Mitchell, he’s one of the best entertainers we’ve seen in this game for a long, long time. I can’t take my eyes off him, just waiting for something to happen.
Cameron Murray, however, is the key to Souths. His go-forward, quick play-the-balls and ball-playing through the middle when he links with Walker and Ilias is so important.
He also leads the defensive line. He’d be a champion in any era.
Cronulla were unlucky last week against the Cowboys. The no-try to Connor Tracey in the second half really hurt them.
Nicho Hynes is playing at an elite level. He has a mind coach that helps him prepare but also how to handle different situations and how to work through them.

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If there’s one area where their attack can improve it’s giving more quality ball, at the right time, to centre Jesse Ramien.
Hooker Blayke Brailey can have a lot of success around the ruck — an area in which Souths were poor against the Roosters with James Tedesco causing real trouble until he was concussed.
The issue for the Sharks last week was their defence. Their marker work was poor and they had too many one-on-one misses. Tom Dearden’s runaway try illustrated that.
No team attacks better off set restarts and penalties than Souths, winding up that lethal left-side attack, so the Sharks need to keep the ball in play and limit the penalties they give away.

Joey’s tip: Sharks in golden point.
First try-scorer: Alex Johnston.
Man of the match: Nicho Hynes

 

[Thresher]

I know that Fifita's go forward is probably more important, but i wonder how much better our defence would have been for periods if we had Tolman in the team last game.

 

[bort]

I know that Fifita's go forward is probably more important, but i wonder how much better our defence would have been for periods if we had Tolman in the team last game.

TBH for the very short amount of time this last forward gets used Fifitas defence is good enough.

If you knew it was going to golden point you maybe get Tolman in.

Fifita's defence in general is good enough and he has far more impact in attack. Tolman can make those extra efforts but hopefully us having better go forward would mean you don't need the extra efforts.

 

[BurgoShark]

Regarding AJ, listening to SEN this week, a few people were saying he isn’t a top 10 winger.

Scores lot of trys though.

I'm not sure he is. I just don't think you can use "his teammates get him the ball" as an argument against a winger.

It all depends who is collating the list, and how you value certain aspects of each player's game. Taking tries out of the comparison, Cobbo and Coates are probably considered higher by most people, but AJ is a better defender than both, makes less mistakes, and contributes a similar output in terms of yardage runs. I guess in a perfect setup you have an AJ "type" winger on one side and an x-factor type winger on the other.

 

[Sparkles]

no one said it was a negative, but if i am offered ronaldo or aj i am taking ronaldo 10 times out of 10

Yep. You need the extra work a winger like Ronnie does these days. Oates has this part of his career to thank for it

 

[Wiz]

Not sure I'd say a backline with a guy who has scored 30 tries in back to back years one that sucks. I reckon we can exploit weaknesses but you can never count out a backline with Alex Johnston on the end of it.

AJ is the most non threatening record breaker there is

 

[Wiz]

Andrew John's Game assessment
Brisbane Times

Cronulla v South Sydney​

The challenge for Souths is whether, emotionally and physically, they can get up again.
If their forwards can hold their own, Lachlan Ilias, Cody Walker and Latrell Mitchell will just take over.

Walker was Cliff Lyons-like against the Roosters. As for Mitchell, he’s one of the best entertainers we’ve seen in this game for a long, long time. I can’t take my eyes off him, just waiting for something to happen.
Cameron Murray, however, is the key to Souths. His go-forward, quick play-the-balls and ball-playing through the middle when he links with Walker and Ilias is so important.
He also leads the defensive line. He’d be a champion in any era.
Cronulla were unlucky last week against the Cowboys. The no-try to Connor Tracey in the second half really hurt them.
Nicho Hynes is playing at an elite level. He has a mind coach that helps him prepare but also how to handle different situations and how to work through them.

RELATED ARTICLE​

NRL 2022​

Tapine on top: Lord of the Rings trail runs and contract call of world’s No.1 prop​

If there’s one area where their attack can improve it’s giving more quality ball, at the right time, to centre Jesse Ramien.
Hooker Blayke Brailey can have a lot of success around the ruck — an area in which Souths were poor against the Roosters with James Tedesco causing real trouble until he was concussed.
The issue for the Sharks last week was their defence. Their marker work was poor and they had too many one-on-one misses. Tom Dearden’s runaway try illustrated that.
No team attacks better off set restarts and penalties than Souths, winding up that lethal left-side attack, so the Sharks need to keep the ball in play and limit the penalties they give away.

Joey’s tip: Sharks in golden point.
First try-scorer: Alex Johnston.
Man of the match: Nicho Hynes

Didn’t Johns say we hardly beat ourselves last week and we all said yes we do… and that’s exactly what we did lol

 

[apezza]

Didn’t Johns say we hardly beat ourselves last week and we all said yes we do… and that’s exactly what we did lol

Yep. Most of our losses this year qe beat ourselves - including last week.

If we play 80 minutes to our full potential we would hardly lose. Mind you that's probably the same for the whole top 8.

 

[snowman]

I'm not sure he is. I just don't think you can use "his teammates get him the ball" as an argument against a winger.

It all depends who is collating the list, and how you value certain aspects of each player's game. Taking tries out of the comparison, Cobbo and Coates are probably considered higher by most people, but AJ is a better defender than both, makes less mistakes, and contributes a similar output in terms of yardage runs. I guess in a perfect setup you have an AJ "type" winger on one side and an x-factor type winger on the other.

i dont know where you have seen people rate coates but he has been getting slammed online all year

aj is just meh - has good speed but when was the last time he just burst through the line on his own accord and scored?

 

[snowman]

He'd be up there as an elite 'traditional' style winger. Probably the best in the current NRL.
These days most have to have something else in their kitbag (size, height, runs out of trouble, leaping, finishing) but he shows if you're good enough at the fundamentals of the role you can still succeed (assuming of course you have someone decent feeding you the ball).


He's certainly had a popularity swing in here, think all are on board now and definitely weren't last season.
Not aimed at you specifically, can't remember your thoughts, but some definitely weren't convinced by him.
Has killed it this season.

ive liked ronnie from the start but hate how far off his wing he defends

like against newcastle in 2020, he was right wing, and he was so far infield he was defending their right wiger

 

[Flanno]

i dont know where you have seen people rate coates but he has been getting slammed online all year

aj is just meh - has good speed but when was the last time he just burst through the line on his own accord and scored?

It’s going to happen this weekend now isn’t it

 

[HaroldBishop]

He's certainly had a popularity swing in here, think all are on board now and definitely weren't last season.
Not aimed at you specifically, can't remember your thoughts, but some definitely weren't convinced by him.
Has killed it this season.

Yeah I was definitely one who wasn't convinced, he's sure changed my mind this year.

 

[HaroldBishop]

Didn’t Johns say we hardly beat ourselves last week and we all said yes we do… and that’s exactly what we did lol

For someone that was a great player he often appears to have no idea what he's talking about.

Dumb as dogshit as well.

 

[Sutty]

Regarding AJ, listening to SEN this week, a few people were saying he isn’t a top 10 winger.

Scores lot of trys though.

So did Merritt before him. I mean he's great at scoring 1v0 tries and he is better at some other winger things compared to a Bevan French but he is still really one dimensional.

 

[snowman]

For someone that was a great player he often appears to have no idea what he's talking about.

Dumb as dogshit as well.

same as cooper cronk