Salary Cap Sanctions Guessing Game

[HaroldBishop]

By also doing this, it doesn't discourage clubs from signing players with "history" as the club basically has nothing to lose.
If he ****s up again, the club receives a concession.

You must of added this bit after I quoted.

A player doesn't always have a history though.

 

[Western Sharkie]

You must of added this bit after I quoted.

A player doesn't always have a history though.

My bad. It was an after thought.

Yes but it's not an injury, it's a decision made by the club/NRL on a player that hasn't had his day in court.

What if the court case takes 2 years?

What if the player is found innocent?

Valid points.
Maybe I'm just frustrated about how long it takes the NRL to doing anything about anything.
I'll get back in my box! :inyouget

 

[HaroldBishop]

My bad. It was an after thought.




Valid points.
Maybe I'm just frustrated about how long it takes the NRL to doing anything about anything.
I'll get back in my box! :inyouget

Haha no need for that mate.

I'm all for him being stood down but I don't think the club should be punished by losing a player AND being out of pocket, even if the two clubs are Manly and St George!

 

[Nulla Boy]

So what happens if Merge sign a player and then the charges get dropped?

 

[HaroldBishop]

So what happens if Merge sign a player and then the charges get dropped?

Good point. **** knows, I'm sure the NRL are all over it...........

 

[deano the p]

I disagree with there being a relief for them. We couldn't even get one for Mannah with his cancer FFS.

 

[bort]

So what happens if Merge sign a player and then the charges get dropped?

What happens if Dragons offer overs to a replacement to get them to ask for a release, then De Belin found not guilty in three months time.
They now have an extra, fairly good player and some other club suffers that loss of a player while Dragons now have an extended cap on everyone else.

This cap concession thing seems too hard to manage if implemented prior to an outcome.

Maybe if you stand down a player on full pay pending court outcome and NRL choose to de-register him when found guilty you can have something like half their wage spent while stood down scratched off your cap, along with obviously all money they have remaining on their contract. Can't necessarily sign anyone depending on timing but you can still use it. Club is still disadvantaged by their players behaviour, but not as badly.

If they are not guilty maybe the full amount spent while they aren't playing gets scratched off. If you choose to keep playing them their full season counts against your cap regardless of outcome.

Sure if a player makes a bad decision it's unfair that the club and fans suffer... but not more unfair than an injury or (in game) suspension. If anything not raping people is something players have more control over than an ACL or accidental high shot.

 

[Mr Ryan]

Stand him down with pay.

No salary cap relief for the Dragons.

IF he's found not guilty at the end of it all, Dragons and DeBelin can sue the girl who made the allegations.

 

[Mark^Bastard]

The Sharks are telling everyone they're leaving space in the cap to hopefully not have to shed players if we're found to have rorted the cap.

That's dumb because the NRL will factor it in. They'll say "I know you have 500k left in your cap, so we're gunna make you play $1m under the cap so it hurts".

They should sign some 'fall guys' instead IMO.

 

[slide rule]

The media talk of all these other massive secret payments seems to have gone a bit quiet.

 

[bort]

The Sharks are telling everyone they're leaving space in the cap to hopefully not have to shed players if we're found to have rorted the cap.

That's dumb because the NRL will factor it in. They'll say "I know you have 500k left in your cap, so we're gunna make you play $1m under the cap so it hurts".

If we got punished more for preemptively trying to make sure we didn't get wrecked by the punishment that would be a disgrace even by the NRLs standards.
They can't punish us more for breaching the cap in the past because we are trying to be responsible with it now.

They should sign some 'fall guys' instead IMO.

Loads of brilliants minds on facebook think Seg is that fall guy.

 

[snowman]

The Sharks are telling everyone they're leaving space in the cap to hopefully not have to shed players if we're found to have rorted the cap.

That's dumb because the NRL will factor it in. They'll say "I know you have 500k left in your cap, so we're gunna make you play $1m under the cap so it hurts".

They should sign some 'fall guys' instead IMO.

yeh i dont think the nrl could do that

hiting us a million in the cap would make our breach the most significant in the game, which it isnt

 

[Bizzy029]

yeh i dont think the nrl could do that

hiting us a million in the cap would make our breach the most significant in the game, which it isnt

Sharks are also significantly under the cap by a fair margin.

And have been reliably told the club has a fair idea what the fine and resulting punishment will be and have that covered and some more room to move incase something magically appears.

Can also tell you that there has been 2 re-signings in the past few months (upgrades) that are significant TPA rather than Salary cap space to make this work. (all above board this time and already cleared by NRL) one of these players will help with advertising for one of my families business' which will be great.

The Fine itself is going to be the problem not the Salary cap reduction.

 

[Western Sharkie]

Sharks are also significantly under the cap by a fair margin.

And have been reliably told the club has a fair idea what the fine and resulting punishment will be and have that covered and some more room to move incase something magically appears.

Can also tell you that there has been 2 re-signings in the past few months (upgrades) that are significant TPA rather than Salary cap space to make this work. (all above board this time and already cleared by NRL) one of these players will help with advertising for one of my families business' which will be great.

The Fine itself is going to be the problem not the Salary cap reduction.

Publicly we might get a beating but I can’t imaging the NRL will fine us to the point we become insolvent.
NRL comes out with $XXX fine but privately seeks $YYY or allows “replayments” so as to not cripple us financially.

Oh wait..........

 

[Nulla Boy]

Weidler reporting we will be forced to shed 2 players.....1 being Segeyaro...

 

[bort]

Weidler reporting we will be forced to shed 2 players.....1 being Segeyaro...

Ava will move unrelated and he will claim he was right

 

[egg]

SOURCE : The Age

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/nrl...ers-multiple-cap-breaches-20190226-p510bt.htm

 

[Gumby]

**** sake

 

[HaroldBishop]

My memory is ****, anyone have a list of penalties for past breaches?

 

[Thresher]

A hypothetical: if it all went to **** and we were about to go under - but at the last minute a wealthy business person decided they wanted to buy the club and keep it in the shire - I'm assuming such a purchase would need to be given approval by the NRL?

And then the NRL might try to stipulate that it's run from Lord Howe Island or Perth or Birdsville or something?