Round 8, 2011: Cronulla Sutherland Sharks v South Sydney Rabbitohs @ ANZ Stadium

[blue steel]

Toops came on from the bench and almost instantly set up a try. But yeah other than him the bench was pritty dreadful, but you cant say the bench gave us nothing when in actual fact it gave us our only fully converted try of the match. Bukuya is a gun and should definitely be maintained in fg

 

[hitman124]

I agree with Fitz, I don`t believe we were as bad as the score makes us out to be, South`s had luck in some crucial stages, it was always going to be hard to win with Williams off and Gardner at 50 percent. It was just literally moments, lapses in defense that cost us.

I must admit it was difficult staying up til 2:30 am to see the game and watching us make Sandow look like a gun player.

 

[Lumpy]

I have just read that we are looking for some backs who can score trys. When our starting team is on we have scored first in ever game except for the cowboys game. In each game except for the cowboys game we have lead at the start. Seems to me that the issue is not our ability to score but our bench. If they are coming on at the 30 minute mark and staying on until the 50 minute mark that is where we are losing the game. Our go forward sucks and we seem to lose more of the ball. We need Gal to do less and our half to take more control.

We don't need outside backs we need more impact from the bench. We need blokes who can keep the roll going. Wright and Cordoba don't offer that. Our 2nd hooker is not playing many minutes at all. We need 2/3 props and a quality 2nd rower on the bench. Would like to see Toops, Vave, Clayton and Mannah as our bench against the Roosters.

 

[josh11223344]

this is so dissapointing and it's hard to pinpoint what is wrong with pur team. atm we need:
- halfback
- tryscoring centre
- as much as I like wright I have given up on being loyal and a tryscorer like mills needs to come in
- a bigger bench which we already have at the club just need to get mannahs confidence up and he and vave will make a great bench partnership.

my team vs the roosters if j.williams is injured:
1- gardner
2- mills
3- pomeroy
4- best
5- wright
6- graham
7- townsend
8- snowden
9- morris
10- douglas
11- tupou
12- smith
13- gallen

14- aiton
15- bukuya
16- cordoba
17- vave

 

[CrazyMatt]

this is so dissapointing and it's hard to pinpoint what is wrong with pur team. atm we need:
- halfback
- tryscoring centre
- as much as I like wright I have given up on being loyal and a tryscorer like mills needs to come in
- a bigger bench which we already have at the club just need to get mannahs confidence up and he and vave will make a great bench partnership.

my team vs the roosters if j.williams is injured:
1- gardner (agree, if fit, he definatly wasn't fit on Friday and he had little impact)
2- mills (agree, this must happen, he had an absoulte blinder in the 20's)
3- pomeroy(agree, has been one our best this year and filled in well on the wing)
4- best (agree, we need his experience)
5- wright (a bit both ways here, he probably should be retained, but Gordon, Stapleton and some of the 20's guys should be given a go eventually if we are still losing and struggling to score points)
6- graham (agree, only due to lack of options, he has not lived up to his hype this year at all, his kicking game is a serious problem, the rest of his game is OK, but his kicking is horrendus, a couple more weeks I'm willing to give him)
7- townsend (disagree, he should be brought in if our 5/8th is playing well, so to take some pressure of him, Smith started the game well on friday, some good kicks and looked a bit creative with that chip & chase, but he fell away badly in the 2nd half, I say give Porter a go)
8- snowden (No brainer, one of our best)
9- morris (Agree, if fit he should slot straight back in, even though Aiton was one of our best Friday night)
10- douglas (See Snowden)
11- tupou (Agree, but I want to see him off the bench again, he had great impact)
12- smith (Agree, his experience is vital, just need to get that consistancy back)
13- gallen (AKA god)

14- aiton (Played well on Friday)
15- bukuya (Start him)
16- cordoba (Agree, but he is on shaky ground)
17- vave (Rumours are that Cronulla management are not happy with his fitness, if thats sorted then yes straight back in, if not might be time to bring in Tyrone Peachey)

My thoughts above in bold.

 

[andrew's_sharks]

this is so dissapointing and it's hard to pinpoint what is wrong with pur team. atm we need:
- halfback
- tryscoring centre
- as much as I like wright I have given up on being loyal and a tryscorer like mills needs to come in
- a bigger bench which we already have at the club just need to get mannahs confidence up and he and vave will make a great bench partnership.

my team vs the roosters if j.williams is injured:
1- gardner
2- mills
3- pomeroy
4- best
5- wright
6- graham
7- townsend
8- snowden
9- morris
10- douglas
11- tupou
12- smith
13- gallen

14- aiton
15- bukuya
16- cordoba
17- vave

thats probably what i would go with as well. i would prob start with JB and push toops onto the bench though

 

[Jasonstevenswedgie]

Seems to me that the issue is not our ability to score but our bench.

the way it is used also needs to be looked at, there is no impact at all.
We were a player down and wright still only played 18min. Vave would be better impact for 18min. If the other hooker is just goung to play 18 minutes just pick one hooker.

The coach wants to get rid of the backs because they dont have any impact. They dont have any impact because the game plan doesnt let them get any quality ball. The halves always get the ball under pressure and then the centre get no early ball which then takes the wingers out of play.

We attack with 9 players.

The only good thing to come out of the game was that tupou was on the bench. If we are going to play 2 workers on the bench why not start one of them and have snowy come off the bench, he could still play his 60mins.

so you would have:
cordoba
morris
douglas ( he plays the left edge anyway)
gallen
bukuya
smith.

Bench of Vave, Toupo, Snowden and tataui

Gives you impact and the ability to cover injuries in the backs.

As for the need for new backs just give them some early quality ball and see what they can actually do.
Lets play with 17 players instead of nine ot the 8 we used last night (who ever made the decision to play gardner should be sacked)

 

[Lumpy]

the way it is used also needs to be looked at, there is no impact at all.
We were a player down and wright still only played 18min. Vave would be better impact for 18min. If the other hooker is just goung to play 18 minutes just pick one hooker.

The coach wants to get rid of the backs because they dont have any impact. They dont have any impact because the game plan doesnt let them get any quality ball. The halves always get the ball under pressure and then the centre get no early ball which then takes the wingers out of play.

We attack with 9 players.

The only good thing to come out of the game was that tupou was on the bench. If we are going to play 2 workers on the bench why not start one of them and have snowy come off the bench, he could still play his 60mins.

so you would have:
cordoba
morris
douglas ( he plays the left edge anyway)
gallen
bukuya
smith.

Bench of Vave, Toupo, Snowden and tataui

Gives you impact and the ability to cover injuries in the backs.

As for the need for new backs just give them some early quality ball and see what they can actually do.
Lets play with 17 players instead of nine ot the 8 we used last night (who ever made the decision to play gardner should be sacked)

good post. Not sure about cordoba. He is not offering us that much

 

[slide rule]

I keep saying it, I hate the hooker interchange off the bench. If I was playing I believe it would be confusing to have one bloke run all the plays for 30 minutes then have another bloke come on who has a different style. Is Aiton not fit enough to do the job?

I liked the selection of Topou off the bench and if Bukuya can remain fit he will be a contributor. The bench needs to be:
14. Cordoba
15. Mannah/Vave
16. Topou
17. X factor?....

Our backs are poor and it is time to look at Mills. I realize he would face a step up in class but we gave ET a go when he was 18 and look what he turned into. If Williams is injured then Round 10 is the time. I want to see local talent in tis side, at present the only local in the 17 is Best!

Can't believe that after the start we had I would say this, but it's time to cut the rubbish and almost time to rebuild for another year. Shattered!!!

I don't think this was our problem in this particular game, but I think I agree with this in a general sense.

The hooker basically controls the attack these days, particularly with the forwards around the ruck. I think it would be easier for the forwards to judge runs etc if they are mostly running off the same person.

I also think it's difficult for the hooker to get a genuine feel for the game if he is coming on and off.

 

[SHARKSTER]

Get Morris back, keep morris on for 80 mins. PLEASE!

 

[Wilson]

How can anyone say Pomeroy played well on the wing? He was diabolical. It was a disgraceful coaching decision to put Pomeroy on the wing when you have Best in the 17. Such a disgusting decision.

 

[mattbrah]

Pomeroy on the wing had nothing to do with our loss.
Poor defense around the middle of the parks was the problem.
gardner playing was the disgusting decision

 

[Wilson]

Pomeroy on the wing had nothing to do with our loss.
Poor defense around the middle of the parks was the problem.
gardner playing was the disgusting decision

Don't put words in my mouth.

 

[dier]

How can anyone say Pomeroy played well on the wing? He was diabolical. It was a disgraceful coaching decision to put Pomeroy on the wing when you have Best in the 17. Such a disgusting decision.

How the **** could I forget about that! Must of wiped it on my memory on purpose. Horrible decision. Thanks for the reminder, now how to forget it again.

 

[sharks86]

2 weeks in row i have seen topou exposed with his line defence that has lead to 3 tries (maybe more, i only started noticing it after kelly's injury last week) - he needs to stop rushing up in defence on the line and creating that big ass gap that is leaking points

 

[zakspiders]

watched it again to day.

it's beyond me really.we go from 12-0 up and dominating, 30mins in, in conditions we usually revel in, and throw it away slowly.
we have this default style of play that we drop into-no confidence, errors and defensive lapses.
people then try to remedy the situation by pushing passes and rushing-teamwork goes out the window.

the sad thing is i know we're capable of mixing it with most teams,
but i can't see us getting better anytime soon.

i'm starting to think the players are having trouble with the "believe" concept.

mainly in themselves.