first day back at school. hungover. ****
Round 19, 2011: Cronulla Sharks vs St George Illawarra Monday July 18 7:00pm Win Jubilee Oval
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first day back at school. hungover. ****
kJm
Hammerhead
Short turn-around to get back in the winners circle, hopefully Jayson, Wright and Gal are all fine, A few articles this morning main focus is: The loss we had to have, we know we need to step it up the next few weeks, we can still make the 8.
chikenhawk
Hammerhead
didnt see this game but kept an eye on the live stats at work. just seemed to me dragons were too good - possession was around 75/25 at half time from memory and the sharks had a completion rate of 80% (dragons 85%) and 3 handling errors to 4....unlucky sharkies I thought the dragons would come out red hot given they've finished origin and had a well-timed week off.
i just hope the boys don't lose confidence - while its disapointing the scoreline (didn't help our for and against thats for sure) we are still on track and we need to win the home games v Knights, Bulldogs and Titans - how we recover against newcastle this saturday will be key to our season.
i just hope the boys don't lose confidence - while its disapointing the scoreline (didn't help our for and against thats for sure) we are still on track and we need to win the home games v Knights, Bulldogs and Titans - how we recover against newcastle this saturday will be key to our season.
great post mate. i agree completely. good to have blokes back like you. have some rep my friend
I didn't see the game so I can comment at all. I was hoping we would get into the grind and get over the top of them. Not to be. Live and learn. Lets get on with the knights this week. We still have something to play for. If we can win all our home games and beat the Roosters, we are still a chance for the 8.
since1967
Oceanic Whitetip Shark
I actually seen a fair bit in the second half i liked from us. When we got our 50 50 share of the ball (which didn't happen at all in the first half) we were making 50m to 70m a set. Some of our plays looked really threatening and it looked like everyone could run the plays. Case in point Cordoba running the outside line for his try (normally a backs job) and dougie hitting bakuya on the front line (before bakuya tried the miracle off load back to him). That is going to stand us in good ground for the run home. If we can kick a little better (last night was probably Chad's worst game) and get our fair share of possession i reckon we can compete with any other team in the comp.
On another note Snowden is awful! I have been saying for ages on here how slow he is and calling for Tautai to be given a go in the front row. Finally people are starting to realise that fat guts' 400k offer to him was a blessing in disguise for us and that the way forward in the front row is to have big fast mobile props!
On another note Snowden is awful! I have been saying for ages on here how slow he is and calling for Tautai to be given a go in the front row. Finally people are starting to realise that fat guts' 400k offer to him was a blessing in disguise for us and that the way forward in the front row is to have big fast mobile props!
Murphy
Great White
cordba showed more than snowden last night
Mark^Bastard
Great White
Weird weird game. I don't want to sound petty, and I know the Sharks lost bad and there's no excuse for that, but I'd love to be able to just see what may have happened if a few calls went a different way.
In particular I was pretty sure Gards made it back into the field and wasn't tackled in the goal. That call ended up being the catalyst that started the Dragons attacking run. The two or three sets before that we were dominating the Dragons, in fact that kick Soward put on was from deep in their territory and actually saved their arses to an extent. I also think some of their passes were forward among other things. It wasn't really a stitch up, they were 50/50 calls and the Sharks didn't respond well to them, but I still would have liked to have seen the outcome.
It was a weird game, I mean they had us with possession and intensity but the Sharks were sort of hanging in there more than they have in other floggings. The dragons did score 4 tries in the first half, but I think if the Sharks could rewind a bit at least two of those were easily stoppable. Weyman had a lot of luck with the goal post pads. I don't think he scores if the pads aren't there. Also Morris going with that dummy offload then reaching down, that was good play that no one expected.
What I'm saying is it's not like all of their tries were clean put downs from line breaks or anything. They were somewhat lucky in part.
The Sharks did look quite good and dominating in the second half, and then the last two Dragons tries were really soft. I think Soward was lucky to not cop a knock-on call. I think in those situation the Sharks need to defend him and even try to hurt him bad even if they think that it was a knock on. I don't think they can be penalised for it if he's still running the ball? That pissed me off. Again if they could rewind they would have done that differently. That's now three tries. Their last try was when the game was over and the Sharks had given up, another soft one.
I'm not sure if the Sharks just didn't turn up, or if a 'perfect storm' gave the Dragons too much opportunity and then once the Sharks had had to defend 100 tackles to 20 it was just too much to come back from. If they had the possession would it have been a more even game? What if to have the possession they only needed a few 50/50 calls in their favour? Like Gardner not being tackled in goals, and some of the piggy-back penalties not given for example? We will never know of course.
Also, it looked like some work had been done with Pomeroy, with him being coached to defend with his team mates more. It obviously didn't work. For once he stayed in the line and slid with them. To be honest he would have been better off doing his usual out of the line crap. I guess they'll use video to analyse each play and see who did what wrong, but I think the Pomeroy hate is again a bit unjustified, though perhaps more justified than normal.
In particular I was pretty sure Gards made it back into the field and wasn't tackled in the goal. That call ended up being the catalyst that started the Dragons attacking run. The two or three sets before that we were dominating the Dragons, in fact that kick Soward put on was from deep in their territory and actually saved their arses to an extent. I also think some of their passes were forward among other things. It wasn't really a stitch up, they were 50/50 calls and the Sharks didn't respond well to them, but I still would have liked to have seen the outcome.
It was a weird game, I mean they had us with possession and intensity but the Sharks were sort of hanging in there more than they have in other floggings. The dragons did score 4 tries in the first half, but I think if the Sharks could rewind a bit at least two of those were easily stoppable. Weyman had a lot of luck with the goal post pads. I don't think he scores if the pads aren't there. Also Morris going with that dummy offload then reaching down, that was good play that no one expected.
What I'm saying is it's not like all of their tries were clean put downs from line breaks or anything. They were somewhat lucky in part.
The Sharks did look quite good and dominating in the second half, and then the last two Dragons tries were really soft. I think Soward was lucky to not cop a knock-on call. I think in those situation the Sharks need to defend him and even try to hurt him bad even if they think that it was a knock on. I don't think they can be penalised for it if he's still running the ball? That pissed me off. Again if they could rewind they would have done that differently. That's now three tries. Their last try was when the game was over and the Sharks had given up, another soft one.
I'm not sure if the Sharks just didn't turn up, or if a 'perfect storm' gave the Dragons too much opportunity and then once the Sharks had had to defend 100 tackles to 20 it was just too much to come back from. If they had the possession would it have been a more even game? What if to have the possession they only needed a few 50/50 calls in their favour? Like Gardner not being tackled in goals, and some of the piggy-back penalties not given for example? We will never know of course.
Also, it looked like some work had been done with Pomeroy, with him being coached to defend with his team mates more. It obviously didn't work. For once he stayed in the line and slid with them. To be honest he would have been better off doing his usual out of the line crap. I guess they'll use video to analyse each play and see who did what wrong, but I think the Pomeroy hate is again a bit unjustified, though perhaps more justified than normal.
snowman
Total gronk
Murphy
Great White
THANKuoy
I thought Snowden had a decent game considering the injury .. Cordoba did play well thought .. I sms'd a mate about the Dragons Quartback .. so many forward passes at dummy half .. even the hobbit slotted 6/6 it was one of those nights.
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I can understand the disappointment with Snowy and Pom but I can't see why noone has pointed the finger at Smith. He went missing last night against his old team.
4 runs and 9 missed tackles is pathetic from an international. When Gal went down he needed to stand up and he didn't. Atleast Pom had a crack.
4 runs and 9 missed tackles is pathetic from an international. When Gal went down he needed to stand up and he didn't. Atleast Pom had a crack.
How many times have you been kept down?
snowman
Total gronk
i will nit pick st geroge here..
we got hammered for lack of food and service against manly?
20 minutes into the game i went to get a pie... they were out of meat pies, only had curry pies... not tomato sauce either
when i went for a smoke, they said under the grand stand, so walking under the grand stand to go for a dart, and you have to walk about 500m outside of the ground...
**** wits
we got hammered for lack of food and service against manly?
20 minutes into the game i went to get a pie... they were out of meat pies, only had curry pies... not tomato sauce either
when i went for a smoke, they said under the grand stand, so walking under the grand stand to go for a dart, and you have to walk about 500m outside of the ground...
**** wits
Louis
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I agree, I asked for a pass out and was met by a mumbling security guard who I had to ask the same question 3 times before I could understand him ( I hadn't been drinking ) and when he finally lifted his head and spoke like a normal person the 4th time i was met with a hostile response of NO.
Hotdogs- undercooked, and if you asked everybody who orders food whether or not they have "40 cents sir?" so they can exchange exact change, it actually slows the process down. I went to get food half way through the first half, there was no line accept for the few people standing at the front (maybe 6 people?) AND IT STILL TOOK 10 MINUTES.
**** ground, **** service. I had that place.
Also, walking out of the ground, a dragons supporter saw that I was about to walk past him, he started singing up up cronulla, i said yeah buddy, he said YOUR *****, GO BACK TO SUTHERLAND, I told him yeah *****wit, i'll go back to Sutherland, you stay here, in Kogarah......
Gards
Jaws
Just opened a bag of Smiths chips and guess what footy card is in there?
Darius FN Boyd!:rant Although he didn't do much last night just to have any St Merge player in my chips! Last night really hurt and still does.
In the back of my mind I knew that a whitewash was more than possible against us but was really hoping we would make a show of it last night. Even with the cameras in the dressing rooms before the game I thought we looked docile and lethargic. Not much body language or communication. I try not to make too much of those things and just thought its ok we're just relaxed. But it wasn't ok!
Mark, don't do your head in with hypotheticals around if this call or that was different. I don't think the outcome would have changed and we deserved what we got. Even if Gards is ruled to have got out of the in goal it would have only been a few more sets before Saints pepper our right hand side and likely get their first of many tries. I'm more interested about what the score would have looked like if we kept our heads in the second half as we got that roll on and didn't keep throwing the ball away cheaply. The panic really set in and shows that mentally and experience wise we are still just not where we need to be to compete with top teams.
Our back tracking defence reminded me of what we were doing a month ago against teams like the broncos. Do we not have confidence to play these big teams?
Yes there are structural issues around our right hand sliding defence but in the last 4 weeks we haven’t really been back peddling so why tonight?
Everyone’s talking them up but I don't think Saints were that amazing or would have beat "any team" with their first half performance last night. They were just themselves - structured, energised, disciplined and executed well. They were far superior to us but were not brilliant. All of their tries were soft and not flashy, they didn't have to work hard for them.
It's disappointing to see we haven’t really grown - mentally we look the same way we have a lot of the year. The team threw it in at 12-0 down and that's just so wrong. I really believe we could have competed and crawled our way back in the second half and their were some glimmers of hope but we couldn’t keep it together.
I was livid after the first half but a slower second stanza due to injuries ect and a bit of a fight back from us settled me down a bit but it's still embarrassing. Alot of people would have been watching that and we had a chance to prove we belong in the finals and that the last 4 weeks was no fluke but instead we still won't be taken seriously by many.
I still like some of the things I see from this team and believe it is a good one in the making but every few weeks I ask this. "What the hell is going on in their heads?" I hope Flano takes care of it for good because it is a reoccurring theme. We keep falling back into this pattern of a few good wins and then getting smashed by a quality side. It’s so frustrating. We can salvage our pride by making the 8 otherwise will feel a bit like 2009/2010 (not as bad though).
Players wise Gards looked annoyed all night, he needs to keep a cooler head and make better decisions in his own in goal. He should attack the ball and back his ability instead of watching it over the dead ball line all the time. Soward and Thurston have been a nightmare for poor Gards. To his credit he caught bombs well and was involved in a lot of support play.
Gallen had some surging runs but forced a silly offload which was not needed with so much time in the game and was the bad ol Gal in that sense. Hope his calf isn’t too bad. We need him.
Agree that J Smith weant missing, but I feel he hasn’t been involved enough many a game this year. Anyone see that attempted ankle tap? He had success a few weeks ago with ankle taps but he was close enough to attempt a tackle IMO last night – lazy.
Wade was great and Townsend solid despite everything going against the team.
Cordoba had his best game for us. I though he was a standout even before his try. Just put his head down, ran hard, did his job and no mistakes. Well done.
No Flano on the bench didn’t hurt us – I hope it stays this way. JMO was good bar some silly penalties.
TT solid again – amazing that.
Poms woeful – will post separate in his thread.
Best was quiet but some good touches. Gave me a heart attack when he got up to improve his position for his try. Stapo still hit the post….conversions will hurt us….
Taga had some nice hits in D but subdued in attack but had to play in centre to cover Wright. Nice past to best for his try.
I enjoyed the forward battle last night and both teams put on some nice hits.
I’m by no means throwing in the towel on 2011 and looking forward to next weeks game and the rest of the season but it’s going to be tight.
At least we aren’t getting too lambasted by comments on the Tele site. Actually a few positive ones about the Sharks and their future.
Pick yourselves up boys and good day.
Darius FN Boyd!:rant Although he didn't do much last night just to have any St Merge player in my chips! Last night really hurt and still does.
In the back of my mind I knew that a whitewash was more than possible against us but was really hoping we would make a show of it last night. Even with the cameras in the dressing rooms before the game I thought we looked docile and lethargic. Not much body language or communication. I try not to make too much of those things and just thought its ok we're just relaxed. But it wasn't ok!
Mark, don't do your head in with hypotheticals around if this call or that was different. I don't think the outcome would have changed and we deserved what we got. Even if Gards is ruled to have got out of the in goal it would have only been a few more sets before Saints pepper our right hand side and likely get their first of many tries. I'm more interested about what the score would have looked like if we kept our heads in the second half as we got that roll on and didn't keep throwing the ball away cheaply. The panic really set in and shows that mentally and experience wise we are still just not where we need to be to compete with top teams.
Our back tracking defence reminded me of what we were doing a month ago against teams like the broncos. Do we not have confidence to play these big teams?
Yes there are structural issues around our right hand sliding defence but in the last 4 weeks we haven’t really been back peddling so why tonight?
Everyone’s talking them up but I don't think Saints were that amazing or would have beat "any team" with their first half performance last night. They were just themselves - structured, energised, disciplined and executed well. They were far superior to us but were not brilliant. All of their tries were soft and not flashy, they didn't have to work hard for them.
It's disappointing to see we haven’t really grown - mentally we look the same way we have a lot of the year. The team threw it in at 12-0 down and that's just so wrong. I really believe we could have competed and crawled our way back in the second half and their were some glimmers of hope but we couldn’t keep it together.
I was livid after the first half but a slower second stanza due to injuries ect and a bit of a fight back from us settled me down a bit but it's still embarrassing. Alot of people would have been watching that and we had a chance to prove we belong in the finals and that the last 4 weeks was no fluke but instead we still won't be taken seriously by many.
I still like some of the things I see from this team and believe it is a good one in the making but every few weeks I ask this. "What the hell is going on in their heads?" I hope Flano takes care of it for good because it is a reoccurring theme. We keep falling back into this pattern of a few good wins and then getting smashed by a quality side. It’s so frustrating. We can salvage our pride by making the 8 otherwise will feel a bit like 2009/2010 (not as bad though).
Players wise Gards looked annoyed all night, he needs to keep a cooler head and make better decisions in his own in goal. He should attack the ball and back his ability instead of watching it over the dead ball line all the time. Soward and Thurston have been a nightmare for poor Gards. To his credit he caught bombs well and was involved in a lot of support play.
Gallen had some surging runs but forced a silly offload which was not needed with so much time in the game and was the bad ol Gal in that sense. Hope his calf isn’t too bad. We need him.
Agree that J Smith weant missing, but I feel he hasn’t been involved enough many a game this year. Anyone see that attempted ankle tap? He had success a few weeks ago with ankle taps but he was close enough to attempt a tackle IMO last night – lazy.
Wade was great and Townsend solid despite everything going against the team.
Cordoba had his best game for us. I though he was a standout even before his try. Just put his head down, ran hard, did his job and no mistakes. Well done.
No Flano on the bench didn’t hurt us – I hope it stays this way. JMO was good bar some silly penalties.
TT solid again – amazing that.
Poms woeful – will post separate in his thread.
Best was quiet but some good touches. Gave me a heart attack when he got up to improve his position for his try. Stapo still hit the post….conversions will hurt us….
Taga had some nice hits in D but subdued in attack but had to play in centre to cover Wright. Nice past to best for his try.
I enjoyed the forward battle last night and both teams put on some nice hits.
I’m by no means throwing in the towel on 2011 and looking forward to next weeks game and the rest of the season but it’s going to be tight.
At least we aren’t getting too lambasted by comments on the Tele site. Actually a few positive ones about the Sharks and their future.
Pick yourselves up boys and good day.
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That was funny as ****
josh11223344
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Very dissapointing game but I was always expecting them to lift after the bye, I thought we would make it a close game though.
- Pomeroy defended **** and reinforced why we need another centre.
- graham was very good imo, is really comfortable in first grade now.
- tautai, douglas and cordoba did a good job up front and gal made some awesome hit ups when he was at prop
- the dragons are an awesome team and are defs the best team at this point of the season. They are like the QLD of the NRL.
- darius boyd showed why he is the second best fullback in the world, he destroyed us.
- Pomeroy defended **** and reinforced why we need another centre.
- graham was very good imo, is really comfortable in first grade now.
- tautai, douglas and cordoba did a good job up front and gal made some awesome hit ups when he was at prop
- the dragons are an awesome team and are defs the best team at this point of the season. They are like the QLD of the NRL.
- darius boyd showed why he is the second best fullback in the world, he destroyed us.
IMO brett stewart has this scum covered in every aspect of the game.
djhabib
Jaws
I can think of a few better fullbacks than darius boyd