Round 18 Cronulla Sutherland Sharks v St George Illawara Dragons Sunday 12th July 2015 4:00pm @ Remondis

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After trumpeting Barba as the super sub last week, I'm wondering if maybe it's time to give him another crack at 6. Bird is destined for centre anyway, so maybe we should get on with it. Likewise Holmes is headed for FB so let's get that done too. I'm suggesting this knowing that Bird is a right side player but assuming he can play anywhere if he is as good as they say he is. And I'm more and more convinced Fifita needs to play 13, with some creative licence.
1. Holmes
2. Feki
3. Beale
4. Bird
5. Gordon
6. Barba
7. Robson
8. Gallen
9. Ennis
10. Prior
11. Graham
12. Lewis
13. A. Fifita

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Bukuya
D. Fifita

This is a very innovative and aggressive side.

Unfortunately the bloke picking the team cannot be described in that way.
 

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This is a very innovative and aggressive side.

Unfortunately the bloke picking the team cannot be described in that way.
yeah it's a pipe dream, but some days I like to live in a fantasy land for while.
 
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Problem is still there. Robson. Don't know what can be changed
 

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Fifita to lock and given license to roam just won't happen while Gallen is still around. The prick sleeps in that 13 shirt.

Sam Burgess being given license to roam in the 13 was a major part of South Sydney's success last year. That big bastard scored like a dozen tries or something getting the ball out wide and just running at the halves. Fifita should be allowed to do the same thing.
 

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Simular to Jason Tamaulolo (spelling) but that bloke runs edge lines as well, was also talking on the footy show about running back behind the ruck like most front rowers.

To have a big light footed bloke on the edges causes havoc.

100% right Gallen ain't giving his free rain license to focus on front row for the sharks.
 

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I think Fifita -> lock is one of the better football ideas I've read on here. He's got the motor + the required skill and it might give him room to grow a bit as a player and take more responsibility for the team as he becomes the senior forward. Burgess is a good comparison.

Actually, from memory he played an 80+ minute game in the back row (probably at lock) a couple of years ago actually and was huge - that golden point draw against the Roosters on a Monday night.

To play devil's advocate though, some qualms:

1) Would Fifita stick to the structure? We don't need another 'ballplayer' lurking cross field every play or someone trying to overplay every pass. These days locks do a lot of tip-on work and pass out the back from first receiver. Not sure Feefs has the vision or focus for that yet.

2) If you played Gal and Prior at prop, then the middle crew staff isn't any different, just the roles. And its hard to see Gal doing anything but what he already does.

I like the idea though. Would be great to split the time with say, Lewis. Feefs to push up into the front row after a 20 minute opening spell at lock.
 

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You're right about 13, that's a lock till Gal retires. Sharing with Lewis makes sense as his minutes reduce with his age, in fact moving Fifita around during a game may be the way to go as you say, so he doesn't get too carried away with being a more creative player. Keep giving him spells doing the hard work in the middle.
 

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Don't know what to make of this game. I thought the Saints would come off the boil eventually and it appears as though that's now happened. Probably comes down to which Cronulla team turns up.
 

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1) Would Fifita stick to the structure? We don't need another 'ballplayer' lurking cross field every play or someone trying to overplay every pass. These days locks do a lot of tip-on work and pass out the back from first receiver. Not sure Feefs has the vision or focus for that yet.

2) If you played Gal and Prior at prop, then the middle crew staff isn't any different, just the roles. And its hard to see Gal doing anything but what he already does.
Well we don't really have a structure right now anyways. But I'd reckon in any case you'd let Fifita just do his thing. I don't think it's any coincidence that Fifita does these miraculous plays when we are behind with a few minutes left in a game. When the shackles are off he knows where to be, he can read the game. He can just take hitups like he normally does and make his 35 tackles a game, but when we are attacking zones he can roam the flanks looking for halves, and he doesn't have to be tasked with being a metre eater and running straight and hard like people get all uppity about.

Gal is a prop playing in the 13. Basically it means we have 3 props on the field at all times. Having him play less minutes in the metre eater role while Fifita is allowed to earn his salary... i guess it's hard to explain, but I think the different roles will let the blokes play to their strengths and allow the best of both worlds despite having the same players on the park.
 

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Fifita is already doing what you described. People are justly weirdly offended by Gallen wearing a 13 on his back.

Most people are probably against it but I'd like to have players with a set number (like AFL) that they stick with throughout their time with a club. I know SL did it in the 90's and I liked it. It forces people to actually watch the game with a closer eye to see which position a player is in rather than being lazy.
 

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Most people are probably against it but I'd like to have players with a set number (like AFL) that they stick with throughout their time with a club. I know SL did it in the 90's and I liked it. It forces people to actually watch the game with a closer eye to see which position a player is in rather than being lazy.
I like the numbers being assigned to a player's position for traditional reasons. But I can see why they'd keep giving players a certain number (ie Gallen in 13 even if he is playing basically playing as a front row) if their role is pretty similar anyway. If Gallen went and played fullback, sure change his number. But a forward, and a middle field forward at that, is pretty much the same thing anyway. Fifita doesn't need a number 13 on his back to have a licence to roam from the centre. He does it now anyway. It's not netball.
 

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There is another problem other than Robson and thats Flanno.
Our team again failed against Manly for structure,penalties and missed tackles.
We are a poorly drilled unit.
 

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There is another problem other than Robson and thats Flanno.
Our team again failed against Manly for structure,penalties and missed tackles.
We are a poorly drilled unit.

We won the penalty count 11-5..
 

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I like the numbers being assigned to a player's position for traditional reasons. But I can see why they'd keep giving players a certain number (ie Gallen in 13 even if he is playing basically playing as a front row) if their role is pretty similar anyway. If Gallen went and played fullback, sure change his number. But a forward, and a middle field forward at that, is pretty much the same thing anyway. Fifita doesn't need a number 13 on his back to have a licence to roam from the centre. He does it now anyway. It's not netball.
Yeah he does it now, but it feels like it's ad lib, not coached and not part of the plan. He also tends to roam only when we're desperate for points or behind. I'd like to see him do that as part of our structure and our game plan. So in a perfect world the halves and Ennis would bring Fifita into that role depending on what was in front of them/ where the game was at.
 
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