Round 10: Sharks vs Penrith, Toyota Stadium, Sun 16th May 3pm

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The Washup at the end of the day, following the final whistle

Again, I'll say it wasn't too bad. Then again, that's only because of what I'm used to. I thought our we actually did show some signs of structure in attack and the halves pairing starting to gel today. Unfortunately, it will probably come together when we're out of finals contention, and they won't be together next year. Barrett lacked runners on the left all day, we missed Tupou and even Pomeroy- anything but Tautai.

Today demonstrated the deficiencies in our squad really clearly, because Penrith are far from the 'complete' footy side as someone here posted, but they do have a couple of better players in key offensive positions. In particular Coote>Gardner, Jennings>Collis. If Coote and Jennings had played for us, we would have won for certain.

Dean Collis is never going to be a 'strike' centre, but he is a very very good second centre (certainly Collis>Purtell). We do lack that 'gun' centre who's our go to edge runner- Penrith have that.

We need a fullback who is creative and has some 'freak' about him. On the one hand maybe Gardner is the guy, we can't tell yet. I thought he was okay, except for the rash of dropped bombs (again). Coote, on the other hand, killed us and I finally saw what all the hype was about. Again, I think Jake Mullaney's management has to be contacted- as the commentators said, the ball just falls for Coote, and its the same for Mullaney.

We desperately need another prop to rack up some metres. The 'riff front row of Petro/Grant/Bell/McKendry were superb. We only need one more bloke of the quality and size of Bell/McKendry/Grant and we'll be sorted there. (How good did that Tim Grant go??)

Luke Lewis outplayed his opponent because our real lock had already played for the Gold Coast this weekend. We still miss him in physical games like that, and at the least, we must look replace his creativity and get Gal back in the 2nd row where he belongs.

But most of all, that game highlighted the lone hand our best players play every week. Dougie and Gal were absolutely tireless. Barrett had one of his best games for us. We missed Toops, but Brod Wright was good. But the heart of the matter is: the rest lacked the experience and confidence to keep our high intensity style of play going for 80mins.

But on a more positive note, there's a core of a very good team there. With a few additions to the roster and some experience under the belts of Fergo, Gordon, Gardner, Wright and Vave, we'll be a very good footy team- better than Penrith are now, dw.
 

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im going to print that post out and beat off to it coz you hit the nail on the head...

i would sign tolman, LOD if we cant get bird, michael gordon and put fergo in the centre and make the big ****er our strike centre...

im happy with gardner at fullback
 

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im going to print that post out and beat off to it coz you hit the nail on the head...

i would sign tolman, LOD if we cant get bird, michael gordon and put fergo in the centre and make the big ****er our strike centre...

im happy with gardner at fullback

I rate your stuff snowman but Fergo is not a centre. To be perfectly honest he is going backwards in his development. Maybe he is reading to much of his own press. His lazy sideways runs from dummy half are killing our go forward.
 

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i spoke to fergo about 2 weeks ago tef... he is very frustrated at the lack of ball he is getting, he is a very down to earth kid and i do not believe he has a huge ego. i do however feel he needs to be moved to the centres to get some quality ball and stop the crabbing.
he has a strike weapon that is his offload but it is not being used and i think its a confidence thing.
i honestly think if he was given a decent crack and got plenty of ball ala jennings inglis and folau he would make a mark on this game
 

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when we took the 2 in the first few minutes we told penrith "we are aware that it is unlikely we can score against you, so we try and score the 2"

Taking the 2 points for a penalty when you haven't scored yet is the kiss of death. I don't think I've ever seen a team go on to win after that.

It really annoyed me actually.

We should be at least confident that we can use a few tackles and then get a repeat set of six. What happened to grinding teams down not only in defence but also in attack with repeat sets? We haven't had the best strike rate for a long time but at least we'd get another set and have more opportunities to cross the line and tire them out, to open up for more points later on.
 

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Hey guys, lay off Chunk please, I dont agree with what he said, but he has been around here for a lot longer than most of the people on here, and no doubt tomorrow when he wakes up with a very sore head he will regret saying it too.
cheers to all on another very poor day for us all.

So just because he may be drunk, and has been around here for a while, he's excused from being a dick?
Mate, what if he's just an idiot, and what does him being here for longer than some others contribute to?
Theres plenty of others here who have been here for far much longer than chunk.
 

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i spoke to fergo about 2 weeks ago tef... he is very frustrated at the lack of ball he is getting, he is a very down to earth kid and i do not believe he has a huge ego. i do however feel he needs to be moved to the centres to get some quality ball and stop the crabbing.
he has a strike weapon that is his offload but it is not being used and i think its a confidence thing.
i honestly think if he was given a decent crack and got plenty of ball ala jennings inglis and folau he would make a mark on this game

Tautai isn't a centre anyway. May as well have Fergo inside Tautai and just never give the ball to Tautai unless he's clearly in the open. Even then he may bomb a sitter.
 

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I think we got off lucky...... If Simmo played, the Panthers would have smashed us 60-0. Simmo scoring 6 try's :p :fergo:
 
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that could work.. although im over tautai, i would bring stapo back on the wing... 2 stapo 3 collis 4 fergo 5 gordon sits fine with me

I think we got off lucky...... If Simmo played, the Panthers would have smashed us 60-0. Simmo scoring 6 try's :p :fergo:

i would of ratherd simmo take the intercept that elford... **** me where did that old merkin get his pace from
 
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that could work.. although im over tautai, i would bring stapo back on the wing... 2 stapo 3 collis 4 fergo 5 gordon sits fine with me

Stapo's injured...

that could work.. although im over tautai, i would bring stapo back on the wing... 2 stapo 3 collis 4 fergo 5 gordon sits fine with me



i would of ratherd simmo take the intercept that elford... **** me where did that old merkin get his pace from

Simmo must have taught him a few things :fergo::fergo:
 
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well i also went to the game today and had the best view of Cootes forward pass for there try. Also how come we dont ever and i mean ever get benefit of the doubt. They couldnt for sure say vave didnt get it down or they could say he did. So normally benefit of the doubt should go to the attacking team.

Wat about the gallen pass after he was tackled .. wat a joke of a call that was.

We played ok today and didnt deserve to get beat by 20.

I like Gordon at fullback. Think he would be awesome there, if not then fergo needs to be centre and pair up with gordon. Love to see them 2 on the same side of the field.
 

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...it is a confidence thing...

...The boys just seem to be lacking self confidence at the moment...

...But the heart of the matter is: the rest lacked the experience and confidence to keep our high intensity style of play going for 80mins...

...i think its a confidence thing...

You guys are spot on. I don't believe for an instant that skill is the issue.

Penrith repeatedly advanced their defensive line confidently and successfully.

Sharks attack was mostly flat footed, passes not hitting the spot, runners(?) unsure, and generally lacking fluidity and confidence.

It has been mentioned once or twice about the ball bouncing the way of Coote. I kinda look at that kind of 'luck' the same way I saw defenders waiting to see what Fergo would do when he was running lateral.

Sometimes there are players who have a 'vibe' about them that makes the opposition scared to commit... Yeah, Fergo got belted twice, but generally the defence were prepared to let him run. That kind of 'vibe' is something the Salary Cap cannot define.

IMHO Fergo tentatively running lateral was his way of knowing that he had to do something, but asking someone else to show him the way. Fergo is a champion in the making, and he is desperately searching for on field leadership. I agree that it was a mistake to not bomb his offensive wing.

Still on the confidence thing, Timmy Smith's intercept... That play was on... It was a lack of confidence that held the pass off, and ultimately in to the oppositions' hands.

Conversely, in defense, we waited for the attack, and allowed them to regularly pass the advantage line and consistently make 50-70m before the last.

Ball handling and general error rate was solid, and I felt that although the refereeing was average, it only minorly favoured the Panthers.

I'm curious as to why bugger all people are championing Broderick Wright in this thread. More than a few people are giving him points in the ratings thread, but no discussion here?

Maybe it's just me, but had the the rest of the team played with the same confidence as Wright, Dougie, Snow, Gallen, Va Ve, and Gardner... The result would have been us improving our for and against by 10-20.

And as for that Va Ve 'try'... Anyone who thinks that he got that ball down are absolutely kidding themselves. I was very impressed by his acting display though ;).
 

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We need a fullback who is creative and has some 'freak' about him. On the one hand maybe Gardner is the guy, we can't tell yet. I thought he was okay, except for the rash of dropped bombs (again).

Good post AB, I think you are spot on with most of your points but I think you'll find at least a couple of those dropped bombs belonged to Fergo or others. I think Gardner only dropped one, if memory serves me right.

One thing I would love to ask Ricky; why are our players going up to contest what are essentially mid-field bombs? None of trys the Panthers scored were from kicks that came down anywhere near the tryline.

It's a fairly low percentage play to contest these kicks, IMO. Let the ball come down to the attacker, if they want it. When they catch it, tackle them. The rest of the defence should be back in a line waiting for the offload or bounce of the ball.

By going up in a physical contest for the ball, chances are someone is gonna drop it and, usually, the defensive player has a better chance of getting their hands to it first. However, as the attacking player usually has more momentum, there is a good chance the collision will knock the ball loose. Then it's a lottery - one we couldn't win yesterday even if we had all the tickets!

By all means, if the ball is coming down in the in-goal or near the try-line, you need to contest it. But when it is fifteen or twenty metres of the line, why risk it?:confused:
 
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