Qualifying Final 2022 - Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks vs North Queensland Cowboys, Saturday 10 September 7:50pm @ Pointsbet Stadium

[Thresher]

By what theory?
Why would we get a penalty for that?

You don’t have prof foul and penalty try.
You can tackle a kicker ‘in the air’

Why not?

 

[Thresher]

Only one of them... it's never both

I know. But why not both if the try would have been scored and there was a professional foul as well.

 

[bort]

Why not?

It’s the rules

It’s either foul to stop a potential try scoring situation, or foul to stop a definite try scoring situation. It’s not both.

One punishment

 

[apezza]

Why not?

Same reason as if the ball touches a player who doesn't play at it and goes out, they get the feed - it just is.

 

[Thresher]

It’s the rules

It’s either foul to stop a potential try scoring situation, or foul to stop a definite try scoring situation. It’s not both.

One punishment

Should be the potential for both. A penalty try is given and then suddenly the player who committed a foul is allowed to continue as if nothing happened.

If that same try was scored successfully despite them committing a foul, so no penalty try is required, are they then able to be binned or sent?

 

[Shortfin Mako]

Same reason as if the ball touches a player who doesn't play at it and goes out, they get the feed - it just is.

You got me there

 

[Shortfin Mako]

It’s the rules

It’s either foul to stop a potential try scoring situation, or foul to stop a definite try scoring situation. It’s not both.

One punishment

I am genuinely curious: how do you determine what the punishment should be? Is there a rule or is it the ref’s discretion?

 

[Proud Shark]

I am genuinely curious: how do you determine what the punishment should be? Is there a rule or is it the ref’s discretion?

If they can tell with certainty the player would have scored its a penalty try. If there is doubt, its a professional foul.

 

[Thresher]

If they were going to score a try with certainty and a defender came in with an intentional swinging arm and broke the potential try scorer's jaw, could it not be both a penalty try and a sin bin or send off?

 

[Shortfin Mako]

If they can tell with certainty the player would have scored its a penalty try. If there is doubt, its a professional foul.

Thank you.

 

[HaroldBishop]

No I wont.

Anyones only hope of winning this year was getting to the grand final and hope to surprise Penrith who hopefully after a tough Prelim against the Roosters/Bunnies/Cowboys would be a tiny bit leg sore and/or take advantage of the unpredictability of the big occasion of a Grand final. Now we’re on their side of the draw where we’re going to be playing them fully rested and full of confidence in a prelim, thats only if we inch a win over the Chooks or Bunnies and on our form the past month, thats unlikely. So yes, there is a right and wrong side of the draw this year imo and we’re now on the wrong side of it because we ****ing choked last night.

Yep agree. Also, if we were to beat Penrith in the prelim I guarantee that's our GF, doubt we back up the following week emotionally.

 

[HaroldBishop]

At that point Tracey got binned, gave them a gift 2 points and left us short

Said it yesterday, I reckon we would have been better off if they awarded the penalty try and Tracey wasn't binned.

 

[apezza]

Should be the potential for both. A penalty try is given and then suddenly the player who committed a foul is allowed to continue as if nothing happened.

If that same try was scored successfully despite them committing a foul, so no penalty try is required, are they then able to be binned or sent?

There is also a potential 8 point try.

If say a player scores than gets wacked illegally to ref can award the try and signal a potential 8 point.

After the kick at goal the ref blows a penalty in front of the posts for another goal attempt.

Confused yet?

 

[bort]

If they were going to score a try with certainty and a defender came in with an intentional swinging arm and broke the potential try scorer's jaw, could it not be both a penalty try and a sin bin or send off?

If the foul itself warranted a bin or send off then it can have that, a professional foul (minor foul in a potentially try scoring situation) is typically not a foul that warrants a sin bin etc but does because of circumstance.

Something like tackled off the ball will never be both prof foul and penalty try

 

[Thresher]

So if the ref has said to a player, "I've had enough of your infringements, one more and you're in the bin" and then the player infringes again, the ref can't bin him if the next infringement coincides with a penalty try?

 

[Proud Shark]

So if the ref has said to a player, "I've had enough of your infringements, one more and you're in the bin" and then the player infringes again, the ref can't bin him if the next infringement coincides with a penalty try?

I think you've pulled this thread as far as it can unravel.

 

[apezza]

So if the ref has said to a player, "I've had enough of your infringements, one more and you're in the bin" and then the player infringes again, the ref can't bin him if the next infringement coincides with a penalty try?

Jesus Thresh. You're combining different things there buddy.

 

[Western Sharkie]

I know. But why not both if the try would have been scored and there was a professional foul as well.

Double jeopardy

NRL will only punish a team for one of the indiscretions for the same incident

That is until the MRC decide to change their minds again

 

[apezza]

Double jeopardy

NRL will only punish a team once

And then sometimes only for the following season.

 

[Thresher]

I just don't think that it's fair that a misdemeanour goes unpunished by interpretation of the rules or guidelines.

You do something against the laws of the game to prevent a try and everything is made alright by the try being awarded as a penalty try.

Your only punishment is that the try that should have occured is awarded.

Nothing to punish you from breaking the laws of the game in the lead up.

Nothing to discourage you from doing the same next time.