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A-League expansion: A bid for a South Sydney side confirmed, backed by a Chinese consortium


  • March 6, 2017 11:29am
  • by Staff writers
  • Source: FOX SPORT

A BID for a South Sydney team has been announced as the A-League looks to expand as early as the 2018-19 season.

With as many as 10 proposals for a new licence, the South Sydney bid has been confirmed, with a team to be placed in the A-League and W-League should it be accepted by FFA.

Backed by a “high-profile consortium of business, football and community leaders” including Les Murray, Craig Foster, Chinese property giant JiaYuan Group will financially back the franchise.

“This is a very exciting day in Australian football,” said iconic football commentator Les Murray. “What we have in mind is to bring best quality professional football to a vast, diverse region full of football tradition and history.

“I have no doubt that the communities of Sydney’s southern reaches will be heavily enriched by having their own professional football club.

The bid has been boosted by three local football associations – St George, Sutherland and South Coast – coming together to support the bid.

Murray added: “We note and understand FFA’s preferred timing on expansion. We are not impatient and are content to wait until expansion is given the go-ahead.

“But when it does, we will be ready. We are also confident that a club from our vast market of fans and players will heavily benefit the existing A-League and W-League clubs in the transition process.”
http://www.foxsports.com.au/footbal...m/news-story/3cc44d8664a62c2352fc5ad4a4de9833

Les Murray to head up China-backed three-prong southern Sydney bid

ByOutside90 -
March 6, 2017

Three separate football associations have teamed up with high-profile football media personalities, consortiums and community leaders to launch an official bid to bring A-League and W-League football to southern Sydney.

The St George, Sutherland and South Coast football associations will join Craig Foster, Chris Gardiner and bid chairman Les Murray in leading the bid, Southern Expansion Proprietary Ltd, which is backed by China-based property giant JiaYuan Group.

The club would play its home games at shared venues of WIN Stadium, Shark Park and Jubilee Oval at least initially, with a new, independent stadium to be considered.
“I have no doubt that the communities of Sydney’s southern reaches will be heavily enriched by having their own professional football club,” Murray said.

Football federation Australia (FFA) has confirmed new clubs will not be included in the A-League before the 2018-19 season.

“We note and understand the FFA’s preferred timing of expansion,” Murray added.

“We are not impatient and are content to wait until expansion is given the go-ahead.

“But when it does, we will be ready … we are ready to go now.

“We are also confident that a club from our vast market of fans and players will heavily benefit the existing A-League and W-League clubs in the transition process.”
The bid is expected to compete against the likes of Tasmania and South Melbourne.
http://outside90.com/football-associations-join-forces-to-launch-southern-sydney-bid-116/


Wasn't sure where to post this. This wouldn't be a bad outcome for us, but it would be better if they only had one home or at most two. Can't imagine there would be much point in them developing their own stadium, but chinese money and all.
 

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someone who has a bit of inside info on this told me the proposal (last year, could be changed) would be to play a third of the games at kogorah, a third in wollongong and a third at shark park
 

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someone who has a bit of inside info on this told me the proposal (last year, could be changed) would be to play a third of the games at kogorah, a third in wollongong and a third at shark park

That sounds a bit odd. Wouldn't it be hard to build a fan base doing it that way?
 

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That sounds a bit odd. Wouldn't it be hard to build a fan base doing it that way?
I agree, really should play a majority of games at one venue, maybe move 2-3 games to other venues.

Still not completely sure if Southern Sydney is deserving of a team over other areas, thing wollongong should get their own team.

Certainly plan on attending any games played locally.
 

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Still not a fan of a third Sydney team considering a large chunk of Sydney FC's membership comes from the Sutherland area. I'd rather bring back the Wollongong Wolves.
 

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This is why Lyall went all mum last year and said the Sharks weren't after the franchise.

Hopefully he's on the frontfoot to have them use our grounds.
 

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Still not a fan of a third Sydney team considering a large chunk of Sydney FC's membership comes from the Sutherland area. I'd rather bring back the Wollongong Wolves.
I'm no soccer guru but I suspect a southern club would struggle for some time. I've got a mate who is always at me to go to Sydney FC games and went to several last year. There fans are pretty committed, quite different to league games. Huge swathes of them stand behind the posts and literally jump up and down the entire time. Its a bit nuts.

I can't see the fans who follow Sydney FC who are already from the South deserting their side in a hurry.
 
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Imagine if there were to be soccer violence in the shire...Bec would rise from the ashes to pen a hate piece.
 

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I'm no soccer guru but I suspect a southern club would struggle for some time. I've got a mate who is always at me to go to Sydney FC games and went to several last year. There fans are pretty committed, quite different to league games. Huge swathes of them stand behind the posts and literally jump up and down the entire time. Its a bit nuts.

I can't see the fans who follow Sydney FC who are already from the South deserting their side in a hurry.

I see it being a bit more successful than most people anticipate, with some clever marketing I think they could get some new supporters into the game.

Can't see any Sydney FC fans supporting this club, we got rid of all our disloyal supporters a few years ago.
 

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-...hern-sydney-and-wollongog-takes-shape/8403726

A new A-League bid taking in Southern Sydney and Wollongong appears to reflect changing guidelines from Football Federation of Australia about the future shape of the game.

A briefing from the group took place this week chaired by commentator Les Murray with the keynote presentation from former Socceroo and Southern Expansion Head of Football, Craig Foster.

Foster briefed a group of more than 50 State MPs, councillors and key stakeholders at NSW Parliament.

It follows a recent meeting to lock in support from football associations in the Sutherland Shire, St George and South Coast regions.

"In my personal view we can't have regional clubs anymore, we need major footprints," Foster said.


"(Southern Expansion) makes perfect sense, it has the backing of the vast majority of other professional clubs in the country."

New structure proposed

What the new club is proposing is already bucking a number of conventions.

Instead of charging to participate in junior training programs costing thousands of dollars each year, they will be offered for free.

The club is also working closely with Chinese property giant Jia Yuan Group to identify development opportunities around existing football stadia to help bankroll operations.

This appears to be in line with an announcement from the FFA CEO David Gallop calling for a new model that will inject more finances into the A-League and W-League.

"We want to expand the league but this has to happen as part of a new structure," he said.

"That's why we are now working with the clubs to determine the future structure of the leagues and the criteria for expansion."

Stadium redevelopment needed

In the case of Southern Expansion they are eyeing off redevelopment of an existing stadium in Wollongong and potentially building a new one in Sutherland.

"A boutique stadium in the centre of the region, in the Sutherland Shire, makes sense,"
CEO Chris Gardiner said.

"The case made strongly by Football South Coast is that we should include the redevelopment of the whole WIN Stadium precinct, and we want to explore that option with Wollongong Council.


"Our financial backers, Jia Yuan Group has the capital and community vision to make these investments."

In the case of the Wollongong stadium, seating capacity would jump from the 23,000 to 30,000.

Eddy de Gabriele chairs both Football South Coast and the Illawarra branch of Regional Development Australia.

He said the whole region would benefit from a major redevelopment around Wollongong's South Beach, but it probably would require the group to buy facilities currently located on crown land.

"If I was coming in and was going to spend $200-$300 million I think I would like to own that property as opposed to it being a lease situation," Mr de Gabriele said.

A new national football franchise is a mouth watering prospect, one which fans have been waiting for ever since the Wollongong Wolves won two consecutive National Soccer League championships in 1999-2000 and 2000-01.

But there is still many major hurdles along the way, not least of which is competing bids from South Melbourne, Geelong, Brisbane and Tasmania.



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The club is also working closely with Chinese property giant Jia Yuan Group to identify development opportunities around existing football stadia to help bankroll operations.

I have no doubt they have more on their mind than just building new stadiums. I would hope developing public spaces doesn't come into the equation.
 

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Fox Sports, Nine want smaller – not bigger – stadiums

Andrew Webster
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September 28 2017 - 12:15AM



Fox Sports and Channel Nine are lobbying for an upgrade of Sydney's suburban grounds and Allianz Stadium ahead of ANZ Stadium because banks of empty seats on their rugby league broadcasts are a "bad look".

As Sydney's great stadium debate continues to drag on, Fairfax Media can reveal Fox Sports chief executive Patrick Delany and Nine director of sport Tom Malone have approached the NSW government and the NRL with their views.

The broadcasters want badly needed upgrades at suburban grounds such as Penrith Stadium, Brookvale Oval and Shark Park because they can provide an intimacy that both ANZ and Allianz cannot.

With that in mind, they believe a complete knock down of Allianz Stadium is also important.

While the SCG Trust has forecast a new stadium with a capacity of upwards of 50,000 seats, Fox Sports argues one of about 30,000 will provide greater atmosphere at the game and on TV. The subscription network also broadcasts A-League, Super Rugby and international rugby at Allianz.

As it stands, ANZ Stadium is at the front of the queue in the state government's increasingly uncertain $1.6 billion upgrade of Sydney's sporting stadiums.

The broadcasters' position is at odds with that of NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg, who has been lobbying Premier Gladys Berejiklian about knocking down ANZ Stadium and turning it into a world-class, purpose-built rectangular venue.

He wants a new 70,000-seat stadium on the ANZ site to accompany the 30,000-seat venue being built at Parramatta with Allianz Stadium to be refurbished at some stage, although the powerful SCG Trust fears there won't be enough funds left.

Cronulla, Manly and the Wests Tigers have regularly declared they do not want their suburban home grounds forgotten in the rush to update Sydney's ageing stadium network.
Fox Sports have been worried about the adverse effect of poor crowds on ratings at large stadiums for some time. It saw a spike in ratings for Monday night matches — which were abandoned this season — when they were played at smaller venues.

This season, it has scheduled its 2pm games at smaller suburban grounds because the near-sold out crowd adds to the atmosphere.

Indeed, the new buzz word in the Sydney stadium debate is "scarcity" — specifically, a scarcity of empty seats — and it is something the NRL is grappling with as it becomes clearer Sydney fans would prefer to watch the game on TV instead of wrestle with slow-moving traffic to venture to the ground.

Neither Delany or Malone would comment when contacted on Wednesday, although Delany made his feelings known in a Twitter post at last Friday's preliminary final between the Storm and Broncos at AAMI Park in Melbourne.

"Great night at the NRL in Melbourne," he tweeted. "Congrats to the Storm. AAMI is fabulous. As a fan League is magic at smaller stadium."

Major sporting stakeholders are becoming increasingly battle-weary over the government's stadia policy.

In recent weeks, Greenberg has upped the ante by reminding the Premier's office about the possibility of moving the NRL grand final to Brisbane or Melbourne if the NRL does not get its way.

The cabinet of the Berejiklian government is yet to discuss a final plan for the rollout of its stadia strategy — and what that means for the NRL grand final.

If ANZ is knocked down first, it would give the NRL the opportunity to sell its biggest game of the year to Melbourne or Brisbane.

While many argue Suncorp Stadium deserves to host the decider, Storm chief executive Dave Donaghy told Fairfax Media this week a crowd of 100,000 would pack the MCG to watch the match.

In all likelihood, if the government committed to more than $1.6 billion in sporting infrastructure, it would expect the grand final to stay in NSW, meaning it could be played at Allianz or the SCG as ANZ is rebuilt.

A spokesman for the NRL said a memorandum of understanding was in place with the state government for the construction of a new stadium at Parramatta, a 70,000-seat rectangular stadium at ANZ and refurbishment of Allianz Stadium.

In return, the NRL would deliver grand final and Origin matches to the new venues.

"We are hopeful the Government will confirm this program so we can deliver our fans a world class stadia network," the spokesman said. "NSW deserves to have the best rectangular stadium in the country for Rugby League and our priority remains the ANZ project."

NSW Sports Minister Stuart Ayres was not available for comment.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...er--not-bigger--stadiums-20170927-gyptu0.html
 

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The broadcasters' position is at odds with that of NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg, who has been lobbying Premier Gladys Berejiklian about knocking down ANZ Stadium and turning it into a world-class, purpose-built rectangular venue.

He wants a new 70,000-seat stadium on the ANZ site to accompany the 30,000-seat venue being built at Parramatta with Allianz Stadium to be refurbished at some stage, although the powerful SCG Trust fears there won't be enough funds left.

As a taxpayer I would be furious if they knocked down a stadium less than 20 years old and built a new one. What a complete waste of money.
 

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As a taxpayer I would be furious if they knocked down a stadium less than 20 years old and built a new one. What a complete waste of money.
And changing it to a rectangular reduces the number of events that can be held there too, which really isn't optimal from the Government's point of view.

If they really need a new rectangular (which I don't think they do) I think they should replace the SFS. They can make a stadium with the blinds so they can hide the unused top layer of seating. Might as well use a billion dollars to hide unused seats.

Give the rest to Campbelltown, Brooky, Shark Park, Penrith and whatever else.
 

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As a taxpayer I would be furious if they knocked down a stadium less than 20 years old and built a new one. What a complete waste of money.
wasting our money is the government's MO

I get that the different functions in government get allocated budgets, funds ect and at a high they are always looking at ways to create jobs and stimulate the economy, improve visitors experience ect but fmd put the cash towards transport infrastructure, hospitals, schools, emergency services. That will serve the community far better than a pointless stadium upgrade when we don't fill em out as it is.

fing priorities people!
 

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wasting our money is the government's MO

I get that the different functions in government get allocated budgets, funds ect and at a high they are always looking at ways to create jobs and stimulate the economy, improve visitors experience ect but fmd put the cash towards transport infrastructure, hospitals, schools, emergency services. That will serve the community far better than a pointless stadium upgrade when we don't fill em out as it is.

fing priorities people!

Yep, agree 100%.
 
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