one problem with our attack

[jimmymac]

as i was watching sharks v broncos last week, i noticed something that i believe is a big problem with our attack, and it is not the fault of either of the halves. i seen some pretty fluent backline movements from the sharks, going from right to left, and we were catching the defence out and creating a 2 man over lap every time. the big problem i had was that every time the ball went through seymour to the wider guys, they were having to stop to catch the ball, hence they were not going quick enough to benefit from the two man overlap.pomeroy was the main offender, and i believe he is not running deep enough onto the ball. he kept having to stop to catch the ball, and therefore all the momentum had stopped, instead of pomeroy running into space and possibly scoring a few try's. pom needs to run off seymour/kiommorley a bit deeper, so he is catching the ball at full stride, and causing some damage.i also believe that seymour is not at fault, because the passes seemed good. what are your thoughts about this comment?

 

[Great White]

I think you will find that Pomeroy also has a slight jump everytime he catches the ball (well most times), but I have noticed a fair few balls are passed behing rather then in front onf the receiving players.

But in saying that I also believe your comments/thoughts have a fair bit of merit to them as well.

 

[BUZ]

Point taken mac.......however if an intended reciever is out of preferable position during a play, then the onus is on the passer to either not send it their way, or to compensate..........bottom line...........if a reciever has to stop/slow to take a pass.........100% of the responsibility for that lies with the passer.

 

[bort]

Point taken mac.......however if an intended reciever is out of preferable position during a play, then the onus is on the passer to either not send it their way, or to compensate..........bottom line...........if a reciever has to stop/slow to take a pass.........100% of the responsibility for that lies with the passer.

sorry buz i disagree
i can always tell the difference between a bad pass and when ive screwed up my timing and when ive screwed up my timing its entirely my fault

 

[Great White]

Runners can also over run the mark - not time their run correctly.

 

[BUZ]

I know what you're saying Whiter and bort, and I agree with you both, however what I am saying is...

if a reciever has to stop/slow to take a pass.........100% of the responsibility for that lies with the passer.

Geoff Toovey is one player that comes to mind. I thought he used to throw some terrible floaty/wobbly passes from the scrumbase that made his runners lose momentum, regardless of whether or not the recievers were in good position!

 

[bort]

so when i got pulled back for a forward pass the other week because i outran our hooker/lock who had made a break and was running as fast as he could it was his fault?
bearing in mind he was about to be tackled by the fullback and i was a bloody good chance of being in for a try if it hadnt been pulled up
it was the kinda flat ball you expect the ref to pull up if the opposition do it, but it looks fine when its your team (wish the ref had let it go :rant)

Geoff Toovey is one player that comes to mind. I thought he used to throw some terrible floaty/wobbly passes from the scrumbase that made his runners lose momentum, regardless of whether or not the recievers were in good position!

but thats because its a crap pass, obviously if its a crap pass its the passers fault

 

[BUZ]

so when i got pulled back for a forward pass the other week because i outran our hooker/lock who had made a break and was running as fast as he could it was his fault?
bearing in midn he was about to be tackled by the fullback and i was a bloody good chance of being in for a try if it hadnt been pulled up

Forward pass you say...............100% the passers responsibility (unless of course the ref/touchies fvcked up).

 

[bort]

Forward pass you say...............100% the passers responsibility (unless of course the ref/touchies fvcked up).

well it was arguable as to wether it went forward or not
but if i had been a bit deeper his pass straight to my chest wouldnt have been marginally forward or flat enough to be called forward
he passes it and it doesnt get called back and we probably score, he doesnt, he gets tackled and they get the ball (was last)
i take full responsibility because i know that i stuffed up my timing because i could see the try line

 

[BUZ]

^ are you faster than Covell ?

 

[bort]

^ are you faster than Covell ?

not the fastest winger out but i think i could probably top covell

 

[BUZ]

not the fastest winger out but i think i could probably top covell

Sh!t..............I can absolutely 100% guarantee that I am easily faster than Covell over any distance..........Where's the confidence in the youth of today :rant?

Steady on Peaches.......I'm faster than you too........so think three times before posting here .

On second thought...............make it four.

 

[Shire Shark]

We need yo go forwed more before spinning it wide. We always spin it wide off the first tackle when nothing is on

 

[Megashark]

pomeroy was the main offender, and i believe he is not running deep enough onto the ball. he kept having to stop to catch the ball, and therefore all the momentum had stopped, instead of pomeroy running into space and possibly scoring a few try's. pom needs to run off seymour/kiommorley a bit deeper, so he is catching the ball at full stride, and causing some damage.i also believe that seymour is not at fault, because the passes seemed good. what are your thoughts about this comment?

I agree Jimmy, and I think you'll find this is because Poms lacks some confidence with his handling, and doesn't tend to back himself to take the pass when hitting the ball at pace. I think his handling is better this season than last, but he still tends to make far too many errors in this department for my liking. It would be nice if he could take a leaf out of Fraser's book - his handling has improved out of sight this year, and he is a much improved player as a result.

 

[Capital_Shark]

So basically the problem lies within anything in the back line that doesn't wear 1, 6 or 7. Our backs are f-cking bottom of the barrel stuff. I'm not surprised our momentum is stunted once it reaches them.

But your right jimmy. They do stop, jump, catch, land, take a look and then get going again, which is plenty of time for the defense to roll a cigarette and number back up. If Pommeroy caught the ball on the fly you'd back him to steamroll the defender and bag a try even if the overlap didn't come.

 

[scott17]

yeah, pomeroy in full flight would be hard to stop, but i agree with jimmy too

 

[brad]

one problem with our attack is we drop to much fukin ball!! maybe because they're always night games.....

 

[Parko]

one problem?

THE WHOLE FUKING ATTACKING LINE!

THEY ARE RETARDED, I EXPECT TOMMORROW FOR RICKY TO SUSPEND EVERY PLAYER'S PAY UNTIL THEY FUKING SPRINT FROM CRONULLA TO WOLLONGONG AND BACK!

MAKE THE C**TS PAY FOR SUCH AN APPAULING PERFORMANCE

 

[jedman1]

Parko, r u some kind of B and D mistress or something? pretty severe stuff my man.

it was again evident last night whenever we spin it wide guys have to stop, jump, lean over to catch those passes. If they were on the chest and in front it would make such a massive difference to punching through the line, (anyone who watched the souths melb game, souths last try with the whole line at speed scored easily after 70 odd mins of no hope of breaking the line).

Poms and Simmo have the same prob IMO, they dont know how big they are! they both prop and weave b4 the line and then get smashed because they're not moving as compared to gals, bird, fraser who actually try to get through the line. maybe sticky should hire some big poofs to come to training annd let poms and simmo run all over them to get their confidence up.

 

[scott17]

put snowden on the wing, hes like lightning!