NRL Finals 2018 - Grand Final qualifier - Melbourne Storm vs Cronulla Sutherland RLFC, Fri 21st September, 2018 @ AAMI Park 7:40pm

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"I have no doubt that what sent Feki three or four metres over the sideline was the hips colliding." Billys defence lawer.

His closing arguement will be "If the hips what hit, than you must acquit!"

brilliant

at this point almost be happy for them to let him play so roosters have something to spew about after they lose the game and to spice this GF up. it's not fair on them but kinda wouldn't be fair on us either even though our game is done and dusted and we were losing that one regardless

But Gould needs to realize consistency and enforcing the rules as they stand for the credibility and integrity of the game long term is more important than some 'special circumstance' clause to gift a media fav his fairytale. It's bigger than Billy
 

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Common sense. What a load of bull****!
Sentiment won this hearing. Billy is retiring, he is a good bloke, he had no intention to hurt anyone.
This Nothing to do with common sense. RIP NRL rules!

Have to agree , a shoulder is a shoulder charge .
Lined up Feki and shoulder charged in desperation .
Hope somehow Roosters can pull off a miracle against the odds .
 

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Common sense. What a load of bull****!
Sentiment won this hearing. Billy is retiring, he is a good bloke, he had no intention to hurt anyone.
This Nothing to do with common sense. RIP NRL rules!

Nope. Common sense won out in the end.
Cant suspend a guy for making a brilliant tackle.
Would you want Holmes suspended for that? I wouldnt.
Did you cheer when Ennis got off in 2016? I bet you did.
 

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If the shoulder charge is allowed it's a brilliant play. If it's not allowed it shouldn't be considered brilliant.

Glad it's back now though.
 
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Match review committee co-ordinator Michael Buettner said there was a clear difference in the Ennis and Wighton tackles.

“We look for three key indicators when determining whether a shoulder charge has been made,” Buettner said.

“They are: 1 – The upper arm of the defender must be tucked in to his side at contact.

“2 – The defender is making no attempt to wrap in the tackle with both arms

“3 – There is forceful contact by the defender to any part of the body of the attacking player.

“If all three of these indicators are clearly identified in an incident then a player will be charged with a shoulder charge.. In the case of Michael Ennis, it’s very clear that the left arm of Ennis is away from his body and not tucked into his side. So no charge was laid.

Treat each incident as a separate case.


1 – The upper arm of the defender must be tucked in to his side at contact. Did Billy do this? - Yes he did!

2 – The defender is making no attempt to wrap in the tackle with both arms - Was this the case with Billy? Yes it was!

3 – There is forceful contact by the defender to any part of the body of the attacking player. -Was this the case in Billy’s hit?- Yep !

That’s 3 from 3. That equals suspension.

Now I know you are not going to like that snow and you will come back and call me this that or the other (that’s your go to) but the facts are facts and those are the facts.

There are plenty of examples of how he should have attempted to make that tackle legally.
If he tried to legally tackle him, then this would never have been an issue. If Feki scores from a legal attempted tackle, well that’s part of the game.
 

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If the shoulder charge is allowed it's a brilliant play. If it's not allowed it shouldn't be considered brilliant.

Glad it's back now though.

Won't be sad if Tedesco shoulder charges Slater into the 20th row saving a try .
 
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Won't be sad if Tedesco shoulder charges Slater into the 20th row saving a try .

Best case scenario is the whole grand final is riddled with shoulder charges. Would be very funny to watch.
 

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Seems the bigger your profile and better your lawyer the more common sense you are afforded - but one's standing in the game comes with the territory.

The problem with common sense in the NRL is that it's applied sporadically

If the player were a no name plodder from a low tier club fighting this during regular season I am not convinced the panel wouldn't have been have been less gracious with its portions of CS and more generous with it's serving of stern example

NRL need to back this up now with the appropriate rule and interpretation changes
 

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Except you are wrong there gards.
Waqa Blake made a worse shoulder charge on Fusitua and didnt get charged. He is a low profile player. Imo he was charged and a big deal was made because of his name and it is his ladt game.

Luckily the judiciary realised the mrc ****ed up and common sense allowed a guy to play after making a try saving play.
 
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The problem lies with a grade one being a two game suspension. Tackles like slaters, that are 100% shoulder charges, don't deserve a two game suspension. The nrl tried to come down hard on it but now we have a situation where no shoulder charges receive points unless they are reckless/make contact with the head.

Should be like most other charges, 125 points for guilty 75 with an early plea. Any shoulder charge that makes any contact with the head should be automatically a grade two and cop a harsher penalty.

If they had a system like this, slater takes the plea and gets off, like he should. It was 100% a shoulder charge, but 2 games is farcical.

However the NRL in all its wisdom decided to implement a mandatory 2 games. Under their rules he should have been rubbed out and the code should have to wear that embarrassment.
 

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You're right about Waqa Snow but it never got to judiciary - is it consistent with the rules/interpretations in place at the time? His probably should have been a charge and looked at but it never got there as the ref didn't report or penalise him. Of course it's hypothetical what that outcome would have been at judiciary for Waqa.

Not putting this on the refs, I don't think it being Billy caused the ref to blow his whistle, they need to make a split second decision in the heat of the moment, I just think there is such a fine line and it was a big hit. Ref had to make a decision either way.

The criteria prob needs to be shared and made clearer or updated - might avoid some future confusion. Could argue match review should have never sent it to judiciary and formed an initial charge. But sometimes it takes cases like this for changes to be made.

After all Billy's defense lawyer had to make an argument to convince the panel not to charge him so it wasn't that clear cut. End of the day these are still shoulder charges, no way a ref is gunna be able to factor in all the circumstances and body movements that deem it passable in that second.

So on the outcome we should not have received a penalty. In hindsight refs can now look justified in not penalising Waqa but at that point in time it probably wasn't legal.

But being slater and his last game, how can that not have put additional pressure on the panel or even factored in? It's a massive call in the context - to their credit though it sounded like they took plenty of convincing and a great deal of analysis was put forward.
 
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Shoulder charge any day of week, whether you agree with it being banned or not.
 

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You know when this will really blow up - when at some point next season a defender makes the same play on an attacker down the flank but gets it very very wrong or some kid at park football gets belted into touch and the mums take issue. The doors always been somewhat open with the whole attempting to wrap arms around caveat but it's now been jolted further afar.

For the record I never wanted to see the shoulder charge banned, it was a great spectacle of a physical sport that always contained inherit risks of serious injury. I particularly hate when a defender is penalised for getting their body in the way of a front on attacker and is bracing for impact, especially when that defender is also flat footed and not moving towards the ball carrier with any pace.

Slaters tackle and try saving play was a good one but he was rightly cited for it within the rules as they stood.
 

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There's two types of supporter, and possibly always will be. There's your Caveman and your Todayman. Caveman like fight. Like man be man - not like girl. Want to preserve past. Todayman likes player welfare. Accepts the inevitable professionalism of the sport. Looks to the future.

This is the NRL's problem - they're trying to please both. The flaky interpretation of the rules is the side effect.
 

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The people who were defending Slater earlier in the week are probably the same people who didn't want the shoulder charge banned in the first place.

Some of arguments I heard were the same.

"Just a good tackle"

"Lets get em to play in skirts next"

Its been proven that's its dangerous and the NRL made a decision to ban it.
 
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