Official Nicho Hynes

[BlackWhiteBlue]

atkinson is an option, just not a very good one at the moment

Well when our first choice goes down injured, our 2nd choice was sold off, our 3rd choice does an acl, unfortunately any choices left arent gunna be very good.

 

[Sharkfox]

Fitz may have taken too strong an approach...

I reckon he steps up, and he will be more comfortable with Trindall

 

[Sharkfox]

Theres an opportunity for three spine players to prove/redeem themselves again in the positions where they've excelled in in the past. Moving Hynes to fullback could be the change needed to not only salvage the season but help us be a force back end of the season. If Hynes goes back to his fullback role at storm, and allows Moylan and Trindall play their traditional roles controlling the game, good things will happen. I think the trio will find confidence which could also resonate through out the team

Need Brailey to step up also, still would give Cam a stint at hooker at some point to give Brailey a breather during game

 

[Sharkfox]

Next year he can concentrate on 5-8 where he was always suppose to transition to. Thats why storm initially picked him up, to play 5-8 and be cover for Munster.

 

[bort]

Say Hynes best position is fullback and his absolute best involvement is largely limiting himself to attacking moves in attacking 3rd, chiming in when those opportunities present, or sniffing around for a breakdown in play, is 7 Trindall 6 Moylan paired with the rest of our team good enough to consistently put him in position to do that?

Or are we wasting our best player by using him where he is 100% effective in 1/3 of the field (we really struggle to get to) instead of 85% effective for the full field (numbers completely made up)
Same as Ben Hunt at Dragons, do they benefit more playing him in his best position, or halfback where they maximise their best player on the ball.
Their struggles aside I'd say he def needs to be their halfback.

Is the best way to recapture Hynes' Storm form, or Dally M form, to put the ball in his hands less? or to pay him 100k like Storm did so you can have an extra 500/900k (this year/next year) elsewhere making things easier for him?
He has more experience now, so we will call it 200k. What improves our side better for this season - 7 Trindall 6 Hynes OR 7 Hynes 6 Trindall/Moylan + an $800k prop instead of Oregon Kaufusi
To simply suggest he was better at Storm than he is right now because he played 1 then and 7 now ignores relevant factors like he was on peanuts supported by a gun spine.

I don't actually mind 1 Hynes 6 Moylan 7 Trindall but I think long term Hynes is staying 7 so (longer term) worth keeping him working at his game there now.

 

[BlackWhiteBlue]

None of this matters if our middles cant start winning their battles. They are plodders and no half back change, full back change or anything else is going to matter while they are as weak as they have been.

 

[BlackWhiteBlue]

Say Hynes best position is fullback and his absolute best involvement is largely limiting himself to attacking moves in attacking 3rd, chiming in when those opportunities present, or sniffing around for a breakdown in play, is 7 Trindall 6 Moylan paired with the rest of our team good enough to consistently put him in position to do that?

Or are we wasting our best player by using him where he is 100% effective in 1/3 of the field (we really struggle to get to) instead of 85% effective for the full field (numbers completely made up)
Same as Ben Hunt at Dragons, do they benefit more playing him in his best position, or halfback where they maximise their best player on the ball.
Their struggles aside I'd say he def needs to be their halfback.

Is the best way to recapture Hynes' Storm form, or Dally M form, to put the ball in his hands less? or to pay him 100k like Storm did so you can have an extra 500/900k (this year/next year) elsewhere making things easier for him?
He has more experience now, so we will call it 200k. What improves our side better for this season - 7 Trindall 6 Hynes OR 7 Hynes 6 Trindall/Moylan + an $800k prop instead of Oregon Kaufusi
To simply suggest he was better at Storm than he is right now because he played 1 then and 7 now ignores relevant factors like he was on peanuts supported by a gun spine.

I don't actually mind 1 Hynes 6 Moylan 7 Trindall but I think long term Hynes is staying 7 so (longer term) worth keeping him working at his game there now.

The forward part is the key here. The games Hynes dominated comes off the back of the forwards doing their jobs well. This hasnt happened the last 3 weeks mostly and our attack has suffered. We had the best attacking stats in the comp for a reason but when its come down to the nitty gritty our big boys are getting pumped which stifles any chance of some good attack.

Put hynes at 1,6 or 7, hes not doing **** while our plodders have an allergic reaction to the phrase “run hard”

 

[bort]

The forward part is the key here. The games Hynes dominated comes off the back of the forwards doing their jobs well. This hasnt happened the last 3 weeks mostly and our attack has suffered. We had the best attacking stats in the comp for a reason but when its come down to the nitty gritty our big boys are getting pumped which stifles any chance of some good attack.

Put hynes at 1,6 or 7, hes not doing **** while our plodders have an allergic reaction to the phrase “run hard”

Definitely a relevant part of my post, yeah

TBH our forwards are probably good enough (to win a few more games) if we increased ball security and didn't give away dumb penalties
Of course the forwards are guilty of some of these too

But, while we could improve in the forwards, if we don't give them a chance to build some momentum for us in okay field position even a much better forward pack wouldn't live up to expectation.

Some forwards stepping up a bit more would be good, some better discipline and ball security to go along with it would be great

 

[Wiz]

The forward part is the key here. The games Hynes dominated comes off the back of the forwards doing their jobs well. This hasnt happened the last 3 weeks mostly and our attack has suffered. We had the best attacking stats in the comp for a reason but when its come down to the nitty gritty our big boys are getting pumped which stifles any chance of some good attack.

Put hynes at 1,6 or 7, hes not doing **** while our plodders have an allergic reaction to the phrase “run hard”

We do not have the best attacking stats in the comp

Our attack struggles and has always struggled against the good teams it’s a myth

 

[Sharkfox]

Yes our forward pack has been average and is inconsistent either with form or staying healthy, but we still need to fix the spine, especially now with Kennedy out. Hynes needs a break from 7 and game management duties, and needs a break from being main man. Just because he's our best player doesnt mean he needs to have the ball all the time. Having him at fullback could take the pressure off him, allow him to play more freely without the weight of game management, and he can build his confidence again from there. We have other players in the spine who can share the duties and are capable of managing games. Throwing everything on Hynes has burnt him out, some of us saw and called that last year. While he stays at 7 nothing changes, theyll continue to rely on him, put pressure on him to do everything. Cant just blame forwards all the time when nicho isnt playing well, theyre not responsible for his shitty passes and kicks or when he gets frantic, he's just not up for the big role theyve given him at 7, dont think any player would be the way theyve used him. He's a 5-8, and now with kennedy out we need him at fullback where he's excelled and has experience, because Tracey, Atkinson and Iro wont do anything special

 

[BlackWhiteBlue]

Definitely a relevant part of my post, yeah

TBH our forwards are probably good enough (to win a few more games) if we increased ball security and didn't give away dumb penalties
Of course the forwards are guilty of some of these too

But, while we could improve in the forwards, if we don't give them a chance to build some momentum for us in okay field position even a much better forward pack wouldn't live up to expectation.

Some forwards stepping up a bit more would be good, some better discipline and ball security to go along with it would be great

Swings and roundabouts.

Forwards need to have the go forward to get us in good field position firstly, then the “repeat sets” come. But the repeat set is a thing of the past with the short drop outs now so its hard to manage the game that way.

My main gripe on Hynes “game management” is the last tackle options around halfway. This short side, shallow bomb is very very ineffective especially when ramien/katoa arent chasing it.

 

[Spanner shark]

We do not have the best attacking stats in the comp

Our attack struggles and has always struggled against the good teams it’s a myth

It's a myth just like you cockroach.

 

[Sharkfox]

https://www.sportingnews.com/au/rug...ullback-billy-slater/dsqad8tzuapajf7xksyfjn9t

Listen to Slater Fitzy, and then get the fowards to be aggressive in defense

 

[Wiz]

It's a myth just like you cockroach.

Thanks sweetheart

 

[Gards]

Everything Nicho tried didn't work. Even passes he threw (not his fault) got spilled such was the black void surrounding him. The mockers are on Nicho right now and he looks at a loss.

Was the opposite 18 months ago. Everything around Nicho turned to gold.

Nathan Cleary wasn't overly flash or exciting (didn't need to be tbf with his team on the front foot) but he absolutely strangled us with his kicking game and general options taken and ended up one of the best on the field.

I get that Nicho is not the type or style of halfback that Nathan Cleary is but all the same there is things to take from the way Nathan played.

Nicho & Fitz need to be open minded about making some adjustments to the way Nicho plays, at the very least until he and/or the team get out of this slump

 

[ben]

He used to be calmer

 

[HaroldBishop]

Everything Nicho tried didn't work. Even passes he threw (not his fault) got spilled such was the black void surrounding him. The mockers are on Nicho right now and he looks at a loss.

Was the opposite 18 months ago. Everything around Nicho turned to gold.

Nathan Cleary wasn't overly flash or exciting (didn't need to be tbf with his team on the front foot) but he absolutely strangled us with his kicking game and general options taken and ended up one of the best on the field.

I get that Nicho is not the type or style of halfback that Nathan Cleary is but all the same there is things to take from the way Nathan played.

Nicho & Fitz need to be open minded about making some adjustments to the way Nicho plays, at the very least until he and/or the team get out of this slump

I'm sure Penrith fans wish they could swap chin nuts for Nicho, the best halfback in the game.

 

[Wiz]

Everything Nicho tried didn't work. Even passes he threw (not his fault) got spilled such was the black void surrounding him. The mockers are on Nicho right now and he looks at a loss.

Was the opposite 18 months ago. Everything around Nicho turned to gold.

Nathan Cleary wasn't overly flash or exciting (didn't need to be tbf with his team on the front foot) but he absolutely strangled us with his kicking game and general options taken and ended up one of the best on the field.

I get that Nicho is not the type or style of halfback that Nathan Cleary is but all the same there is things to take from the way Nathan played.

Nicho & Fitz need to be open minded about making some adjustments to the way Nicho plays, at the very least until he and/or the team get out of this slump

Move him to 6 and take general kicking duties off him and only have him kick unless absolutely necessary

 

[BurgoShark]

I'm sure Penrith fans wish they could swap chin nuts for Nicho, the best halfback in the game.

they don't, but I'm sure Cleary's Mrs would give it a go for a night or 3.

 

[Gards]

Crazy idea alert:

If they go with Nicho at 1, then a Trindall plays 7, on the right side. Tracey probably plays centre like he was supposed to last week, Sifa is bench or out. Who plays 6? Moylan was dropped for being a turnstile. We can’t have a rookie at 6 with Tricky at 7. With Colquhoun available to play left edge again, why not Wade at 6?

Hear me out. He defends 9-14 times better than Moylan. He has a decent kicking game. He has a better passing game than Moylan. He’s slow and old, but with Nicho chiming in who cares. It’s the side he’s used to playing on, just one spot out. And he’d have Colquhoun the unit on his inside who might draw defenders and make some room for him.

Ideal? No. The alternative? Moylan.

And he had his best game all year against the Panthers IMO.

Wade got taken out of the halves and turned into a backrower for good reason, he was never much chop in the 6 for Cronulla and that's back when he was younger and quicker.

In terms of a passing and kicking game he hasn't really had much of one in about 5 years. Mozza has it way over Wade on both fronts.

The other part of our problem against good teams is scoring points and I don't think Wade being in the halves is going to help in that regard. Nicho out the back / @ FB is only going to do so much for us.

We still have depth and other options we can go with in the halves.

Wade can still help out in defense on that left edge (Tiegs old spot) which has been part of the whole issue (not just where Moylan used to defend in the halves) however Wade hasn't exactly been perfect when it comes to the defense either.