Official Nicho Hynes

[Sparkles]

lack of personal highlights or attack stats

Which would be odd, because Nicho was never really that much a highlight reel guy (not with us, anyway). His game has been as part of a fast, shaped, attacking raid.

 

[Sharkfox]

Hynes hasnt been a good game manager or organiser, and its not just about this year. He also lacks a good kicking game which is important, especially against the big dogs or when the team is under pressure. We look better when he is not the main focus or go to guy the team revolves around. This year showed we can still perform, improve sharing the work and win games without him.
Look at how they simplified game managing for Atko, focus on completing sets, kicking well, playing field position and directing the team. What was lacking though was attacking plays or creativity. When Trindall came back, he played the same game plan at halfback, but brought some creativity in attack.
Nicho had some great games last two seasons where he was on fire, but he wasnt the greatest game manager, and we also shat the bed against stronger opposition where they just targeted him and shut him down and then had nothing in attack.
Doesnt matter if he was dally m halfback or how good he was at times with Moylan, thats in the past now. This year he struggled with form before origin, during origin and after origin. He also struggled last year around origin but wasnt injured and got to play himself back into form. He is now under pressure on the field and off the field with media. Its time to move on, and we dont need him at seven/halfback/first receiver, he can switch to five eighth which is actually what we need more now, bring some attacking flare and creativity running wider. Same time allow Trindall to build up his game at halfback, develop more in managing games and mature.
Majority of halfbacks wear 7, 5-8 wear 6, switch sides for rep. Nicho running at 5-8 carving that left edge with Wilton/Talakai, a fit Ronnie and Iro will cause damage. Takes the pressure off him and if he does well then they will consider him for nsw as 5-8, they wont if he stays on the right. He has a good chance also with Luai most likely moving to halfback on the right, to pair up with Galvin and who knows how that will go

 

[apezza]

This year was the first full time pairing of Tricky and Hynes.

The club has some good data and time now to look at what needs tweaking for next year.

I have no doubt we will be all the better for the experiences (both highs and lows) that occurred this year.

I have full confidence in the boys and coaching staff.

 

[Western Sharkie]

What benefits is there to them switching sides?

Kicking duties is the main reason (and most likely the only real one)

BT is a right foot kicker so it helps for him to be on the open side rather than the left side of the ruck. kicking.

We are missing Wades left foot kicking game……

Maybe Teig could learn????

@djhabib
Can you teach him?

 

[Jasonstevenswedgie]

Hynes hasnt been a good game manager or organiser, and its not just about this year. He also lacks a good kicking game which is important, especially against the big dogs or when the team is under pressure. We look better when he is not the main focus or go to guy the team revolves around. This year showed we can still perform, improve sharing the work and win games without him.
Look at how they simplified game managing for Atko, focus on completing sets, kicking well, playing field position and directing the team. What was lacking though was attacking plays or creativity. When Trindall came back, he played the same game plan at halfback, but brought some creativity in attack.
Nicho had some great games last two seasons where he was on fire, but he wasnt the greatest game manager, and we also shat the bed against stronger opposition where they just targeted him and shut him down and then had nothing in attack.
Doesnt matter if he was dally m halfback or how good he was at times with Moylan, thats in the past now. This year he struggled with form before origin, during origin and after origin. He also struggled last year around origin but wasnt injured and got to play himself back into form. He is now under pressure on the field and off the field with media. Its time to move on, and we dont need him at seven/halfback/first receiver, he can switch to five eighth which is actually what we need more now, bring some attacking flare and creativity running wider. Same time allow Trindall to build up his game at halfback, develop more in managing games and mature.
Majority of halfbacks wear 7, 5-8 wear 6, switch sides for rep. Nicho running at 5-8 carving that left edge with Wilton/Talakai, a fit Ronnie and Iro will cause damage. Takes the pressure off him and if he does well then they will consider him for nsw as 5-8, they wont if he stays on the right. He has a good chance also with Luai most likely moving to halfback on the right, to pair up with Galvin and who knows how that will go

do you have any examples of nichos poor game management? esp againt the big dogs where we didnt give up 15+errors and have 40% possession.
Do you have any examples of trinadalls superior game management skills, beside the fact he is kicking more?
the games that nicho was out it was brailey that was doing more of the organising

 

[Jasonstevenswedgie]

Kicking duties is the main reason (and most likely the only real one)

BT is a right foot kicker so it helps for him to be on the open side rather than the left side of the ruck. kicking.

We are missing Wades left foot kicking game……

Maybe Teig could learn????

@djhabib
Can you teach him?

why cant he just position himself better? no reason he has to kick from the left hand side of the ruck. stand one off on the right side and he can still put the kick in the same spot?

 

[Born&bred]

Hynes hasnt been a good game manager or organiser, and its not just about this year. He also lacks a good kicking game which is important, especially against the big dogs or when the team is under pressure. We look better when he is not the main focus or go to guy the team revolves around. This year showed we can still perform, improve sharing the work and win games without him.
Look at how they simplified game managing for Atko, focus on completing sets, kicking well, playing field position and directing the team. What was lacking though was attacking plays or creativity. When Trindall came back, he played the same game plan at halfback, but brought some creativity in attack.
Nicho had some great games last two seasons where he was on fire, but he wasnt the greatest game manager, and we also shat the bed against stronger opposition where they just targeted him and shut him down and then had nothing in attack.
Doesnt matter if he was dally m halfback or how good he was at times with Moylan, thats in the past now. This year he struggled with form before origin, during origin and after origin. He also struggled last year around origin but wasnt injured and got to play himself back into form. He is now under pressure on the field and off the field with media. Its time to move on, and we dont need him at seven/halfback/first receiver, he can switch to five eighth which is actually what we need more now, bring some attacking flare and creativity running wider. Same time allow Trindall to build up his game at halfback, develop more in managing games and mature.
Majority of halfbacks wear 7, 5-8 wear 6, switch sides for rep. Nicho running at 5-8 carving that left edge with Wilton/Talakai, a fit Ronnie and Iro will cause damage. Takes the pressure off him and if he does well then they will consider him for nsw as 5-8, they wont if he stays on the right. He has a good chance also with Luai most likely moving to halfback on the right, to pair up with Galvin and who knows how that will go

Dot points would be appreciated....

 

[Western Sharkie]

Tbh I’m not sure telling a half which side of the field to play on will or should dictate the side he kicks from. It’s perfectly ok to just float in and out, however the premise that he should be kicking more to the right is correct.

The half just needs to understand that, and position himself correctly.

For whatever reason, Trindall does seem to go to the blind at times. Which is ok if something is on, but if he is to be the dominant half, he needs to figure his positioning better for kicks.

It’s the extra step or 2 which then means he is rushed when kicking from the left side. It’s more natural to receive the ball from your left to kick off your right foot. Sounds like Semantics I know but it just “Flows better” if a right foot kicker is sitting on the right of the ruck (1 step, kick).
Of course, he could stand deeper on the left to get that extra time, but if that is the skinny side to start with, then that further complicates things for him.

 

[Wizard]

do you have any examples of nichos poor game management? esp againt the big dogs where we didnt give up 15+errors and have 40% possession.
Do you have any examples of trinadalls superior game management skills, beside the fact he is kicking more?
the games that nicho was out it was brailey that was doing more of the organising

If Nicho was the key to game management we wouldn’t of had the whole we can’t beat top 8 teams the 2 years before this year where he was our game manager, we sht the bed in almost all our big games with him

Your best example is Fitzgibbon handing over more and more responsibility to Trindall meaning less and less to Hynes.

Recognise it accept it and move on like literally the rest of the NRL world

 

[Sharkfox]

do you have any examples of nichos poor game management? esp againt the big dogs where we didnt give up 15+errors and have 40% possession.
Do you have any examples of trinadalls superior game management skills, beside the fact he is kicking more?
the games that nicho was out it was brailey that was doing more of the organising

Compare him to Hughes, Cleary, Reynolds and Moses, who have been in grand finals last 5 years, all game managers, organisers, have excellent kicking games, this is what Nicho lacks. Yes they are experienced and have developed over time, but they have that kicking game in their arsenal. Tricky has the kicking game which is needed for a halfback and game manager, its a skill thats needed and important, especially if he's got a long kicking game and also kicks with accuracy.

 

[Tiger Shark]

This year was the first full time pairing of Tricky and Hynes.

The club has some good data and time now to look at what needs tweaking for next year.

I have no doubt we will be all the better for the experiences (both highs and lows) that occurred this year.

I have full confidence in the boys and coaching staff.

Full time but how many games did they actually have together with Tricky out for 7 or so weeks and Hynes out for 8 or so they didn’t get a full season and the games they did play together weren’t for long periods

Point is we’re still a while from seeing this combo completely gel but I was liking the direction they were going at the end.

 

[Sharkfox]

"He (Bellamy) told me two things: I'll pick you every week if you defend well and if you kick well. So I had to learn how to tackle and how to kick," Cronk recalled.

Tricky and Atko's kicking has been great this year, so has their defensive efforts. We were lucky we had them in the squad, both stepped up and had a good season.

 

[djhabib]

Kicking duties is the main reason (and most likely the only real one)

BT is a right foot kicker so it helps for him to be on the open side rather than the left side of the ruck. kicking.

We are missing Wades left foot kicking game……

Maybe Teig could learn????

@djhabib
Can you teach him?

We saw his kicking game the other week. There's a reason why he doesn't do it.

 

[CrazyMatt]

Dot points would be appreciated....

Or at least a tap of the enter key every now and then….

 

[Guardshark]

We saw his kicking game the other week. There's a reason why he doesn't do it.

So when Nicho was kicking the ball 440 meters in 11 kicks in the roosters game (back when he had the leg injury but it wasn't that serious and he hadn't been out for 8 weeks) was that example of why he shouldn't kick or does everyone's memory just stretch back 3 weeks.

 

[bort]

do you have any examples of nichos poor game management? esp againt the big dogs where we didnt give up 15+errors and have 40% possession.
Do you have any examples of trinadalls superior game management skills, beside the fact he is kicking more?
the games that nicho was out it was brailey that was doing more of the organising

Kicking is the only element of game management apparently

 

[Jasonstevenswedgie]

Compare him to Hughes, Cleary, Reynolds and Moses, who have been in grand finals last 5 years, all game managers, organisers, have excellent kicking games, this is what Nicho lacks. Yes they are experienced and have developed over time, but they have that kicking game in their arsenal. Tricky has the kicking game which is needed for a halfback and game manager, its a skill thats needed and important, especially if he's got a long kicking game and also kicks with accuracy.

i can agree with cleary and reynolds for game management. hughes prob but he has grant there with him. moses is a myth he has his long kicking game but his game management is poor, he butchered more games than nicho this year, also couldnt get it done against a 12 man bulldogs.
there is no reason trindall cant continue to kick from 5/8 plenty have done it. nicho has kicked 3 40/20s to trindalls one. personally i find atko kicking game to be better than both.
besides he kicking game what game managing qualites have you seen him deliver?

we will both agree nicho hasnt been at his best, depending on where you look nicho has had 13-15 try assists for the year
moses has had 7 seasons worse
a rey has had 8
hughes has had 2 and 1 equal
cleary 4 worse and 1 equal.
in their first 3 years as a halfback
cleary had 27 try assists
a rey had 53
hughes had 46
moses had 39

hynes has had 62

also their experience is vastly different guys that have played 9+ years should have better game management than a third year

 

[djhabib]

So when Nicho was kicking the ball 440 meters in 11 kicks in the roosters game (back when he had the leg injury but it wasn't that serious and he hadn't been out for 8 weeks) was that example of why he shouldn't kick or does everyone's memory just stretch back 3 weeks.

I was talking about teig

 

[Jasonstevenswedgie]

Kicking is the only element of game management apparently

and only the 7 can kick, better tell burton before we play the dogs next time

 

[Guardshark]

I was talking about teig

Damn I got twisted around. All this arguing on nicho has me jumping at shadows.