Official Nicho Hynes

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Re-watched the game today. Gee his defence was outstanding

He needs to curb in it with his chats to the ref though.

 

[Tatus]

Re-watched the game today. Gee his defence was outstanding

He needs to curb in it with his chats to the ref though.

I’m just about to watch it again and try pay attention to specifics. Between the booze and and the excitement of it being the first game of the season, then thinking the season was over 30 minutes into it… it was hard to pay attention to anything.

Thought the refs were going to give it to them with the AFB strip, and then the penalty off the back off it.

Bit of a tangent, but I think we can except a lot more of those calls late in close games. I used to think refs may have favoured certain teams, but ****ing over any team, missed called, dodgy tries… why wouldn’t they allow it?

There wouldn’t be many discussion points with article like “both teams tried their hardest and the reffing was perfect, what a game.”

Time will tell, but it could make for an interesting fancy stat for @BurgoShark.

Something based around penalties blown in first 70mins of a game. Then another in the last 10 minutes. Both in close games and then blow outs and see what comes up.

@BurgoShark is there a simple way I could do this? Is it as simple as just getting data from somewhere(nrl.com), uploading it to a program? breaking it up with the program tools into the categories you want and it just gives you a bunch of different graphs?

 

[Tatus]

Why was he at the post game presser?

Ps **** I love the way he talks about will. He said something last year along the lines of, when his confidence is there, just wait. In the presser, nicho is like manifesting this confidence and belief that will has in himself.

Nicho said “that’s his growth area, and he’s growing, I can’t wait to see what he does for us this year.” Awesome.

Hearing Nicho talk, it’s not so self centred as last years. When he talks he carries the weight of the world on his shoulders.

Nicho started talking about himself, and something kicks in and he starts talking about everyone else… I can’t help but picture Fitz in this presser with one of those wise monk moustaches because I don’t care what anyone says, that’s something they’ve talked about for sure.

The way everyone has spoken the whole pre-season has impressed me. Sounds like they know they’ve had their time to grow, now it’s time to really have a go.

I’m sure Fitz has been enabling in a way to some, but it seems like the buck has dropped, and it’s full accountability from everyone, all the time - From everyone.

Everyone’s heads are screwed on, we’ve got coach who’s doing a lot of unnoticed stuff, and because of the finals results and media agenda, probably gets a wrap.

The way they all were together in the team song after the game shows me that they are all buying into whatever he is saying.

With AFB coming, hopefully success can build success and we can get that full accountability, next man up mindset all the way thru the systems like the panthers have done… but there could be some good signs to come this year.

Morris is the man tho. If John didn’t organise all these guys in our team, a massive chunk of his juniors who have all developed to the point of being good to great…Fitz probably doesn’t sign with us.

 

[beaver2233]

Why was he at the post game presser?

Ps **** I love the way he talks about will. He said something last year along the lines of, when his confidence is there, just wait. In the presser, nicho is like manifesting this confidence and belief that will has in himself.

Nicho said “that’s his growth area, and he’s growing, I can’t wait to see what he does for us this year.” Awesome.

Hearing Nicho talk, it’s not so self centred as last years. When he talks he carries the weight of the world on his shoulders.

Nicho started talking about himself, and something kicks in and he starts talking about everyone else… I can’t help but picture Fitz in this presser with one of those wise monk moustaches because I don’t care what anyone says, that’s something they’ve talked about for sure.

The way everyone has spoken the whole pre-season has impressed me. Sounds like they know they’ve had their time to grow, now it’s time to really have a go.

I’m sure Fitz has been enabling in a way to some, but it seems like the buck has dropped, and it’s full accountability from everyone, all the time - From everyone.

Everyone’s heads are screwed on, we’ve got coach who’s doing a lot of unnoticed stuff, and because of the finals results and media agenda, probably gets a wrap.

The way they all were together in the team song after the game shows me that they are all buying into whatever he is saying.

With AFB coming, hopefully success can build success and we can get that full accountability, next man up mindset all the way thru the systems like the panthers have done… but there could be some good signs to come this year.

Morris is the man tho. If John didn’t organise all these guys in our team, a massive chunk of his juniors who have all developed to the point of being good to great…Fitz probably doesn’t sign with us.

I actually found it quite interesting/funny the way Nicho and Fitz were sitting with the same hand grasp/body gesture.

 

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I actually found it quite interesting/funny the way Nicho and Fitz were sitting with the same hand grasp/body gesture.

Yeah, Nicho started mirroring him. I’ve spent too many hours watching body language, analysing videos. Drives me nuts

They say you find a base line, and then gauge from that. Baseline for Nicho is laid back, disinterested, enjoying the win.

Fitz is hands in front of him fingers interlaced. Which is like a defensive, restraint position. You’ll see him do the little finger point here and there which is a “power pose” so Fitz thinks highly of himself, but is also unsure as we all are, but for most part he tries to display as little variance as possible in body language shifts, voice inflections, etc. He’s very aware of this.

Nicho, not so much. He starts to mirror Fitz at that stage of your photo, which means he’s comfortable with him, but he’s kind of retreating to him in a sense, then the fun begins

One to focus on is the “self touch” gesture (which is what Fitz is doing all the time.) We do it when nervous or uncomfortable.
Depending on the questions, if nicho isn’t sure of himself, or just genuinely uncomfortable, he’ll start to fidget… but his base line here I guess is mirroring Fitz.

There were a couple good signs where he wasn’t fidgeting, which I reckon means he isn’t nervous in what he is saying, which is reassuring, because he was talking about all the hard work they had done in the pre-season in defence.

I’ll shut up now lol.

 

[Proud Shark]

Yeah, Nicho started mirroring him. I’ve spent too many hours watching body language, analysing videos. Drives me nuts

They say you find a base line, and then gauge from that. Baseline for Nicho is laid back, disinterested, enjoying the win.

Fitz is hands in front of him fingers interlaced. Which is like a defensive, restraint position. You’ll see him do the little finger point here and there which is a “power pose” so Fitz thinks highly of himself, but is also unsure as if everyone, but more for most part he tries to display as little variance of body language shifts and voice inflections, etc, as possible. He’s very aware of this.

Nicho, not so much. He starts to mirror Fitz at that stage of your photo, which means he’s comfortable with him, but he’s kind of retreating to him in a sense, then the fun begins

One to focus on is the “self touch” gesture (which is what Fitz is doing all the time.) We do it when nervous or uncomfortable.
Depending on the questions, if nicho isn’t sure of himself, or just genuinely uncomfortable, he’ll start to fidget… but his base line here I guess is mirroring Fitz.

There were a couple good signs where he wasn’t fidgeting, which I reckon he means he isn’t nervous in what he is saying, which is reassuring, because he was talking about all the hard work they had done in the pre-season in defence.

I’ll shut up now lol.

Very interesting Tatus. Do you use this for work? If so what do you do if you don't mind me asking?

 

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Very interesting Tatus. Do you use this for work? If so what do you do if you don't mind me asking?

Identity theft

 

[Gards]

Re-watched the game today. Gee his defence was outstanding

He needs to curb in it with his chats to the ref though.

Said improving his defense was focus of his this season, had the highest tackle % in our team in that game. 21 tackles for 1 ineffective. Impressive for a half and considering how under the pump we were in that first half

Yeah, Nicho started mirroring him. I’ve spent too many hours watching body language, analysing videos. Drives me nuts

Good luck getting a read from Cam McInness face post game

 

[BurgoShark]

I’m just about to watch it again and try pay attention to specifics. Between the booze and and the excitement of it being the first game of the season, then thinking the season was over 30 minutes into it… it was hard to pay attention to anything.

Thought the refs were going to give it to them with the AFB strip, and then the penalty off the back off it.

Bit of a tangent, but I think we can except a lot more of those calls late in close games. I used to think refs may have favoured certain teams, but ****ing over any team, missed called, dodgy tries… why wouldn’t they allow it?

There wouldn’t be many discussion points with article like “both teams tried their hardest and the reffing was perfect, what a game.”

Time will tell, but it could make for an interesting fancy stat for @BurgoShark.

Something based around penalties blown in first 70mins of a game. Then another in the last 10 minutes. Both in close games and then blow outs and see what comes up.

@BurgoShark is there a simple way I could do this? Is it as simple as just getting data from somewhere(nrl.com), uploading it to a program? breaking it up with the program tools into the categories you want and it just gives you a bunch of different graphs?

Tracking score effect on referee behaviour. It’s not sexy, but I like it.

I know EyeTest did a lot of work on 6-agains and penalties but I don’t know about this specific one.

You could get this from the play-by-play section for each game on nrl.com. I’ve looked at scraping it, but tbh you can just do ctrl-a ctrl-c, paste in to Excel and then just remove the irrelevant rows and columns.

You would just need to factor in that some penalties aren’t subjective (e.g. big coathanger) and others are taken out of the on-field ref’s hands (ref rules try but bunker awards a penalty), so you’d have to either exclude that type of stuff or treat it as a different piece of data.

You’d also want to track based on the score at the time rather than what the final score was, so maybe separate it by points margin. If a team is down by 20 and score 3 late tries, that wasn’t a “close game”.

E.g.

Penalties blown in first 20 minutes when score is tied, versus 1-6 point margin, 7-12 margin etc.

Along with what you’ve mentioned above, I’d be really interested to learn whether teams trailing by big margins get more calls their way late in games as a square up (like Mario Kart catch up logic).

Personally I’ve always thought that the bunker should be isolated from the game. I.e. they don’t know the score and only see vision of the specific incident they are ruling on.

Something else I’ve always suspected but never seen any data on… is that teams trailing by 7+ points in the final 10 minutes or so tend to make a high amount of errors trying to play catch-up. Quite often a team who otherwise completed well all game will make 4-5 errors at the end of the game playing hot potato. I reckon you would see a clear difference in the good v bad teams on how they play late in games when chasing points, and imo that might be a much more useful stat than total completion%.

 

[Flanno]

Tracking score effect on referee behaviour. It’s not sexy, but I like it.

I know EyeTest did a lot of work on 6-agains and penalties but I don’t know about this specific one.

You could get this from the play-by-play section for each game on nrl.com. I’ve looked at scraping it, but tbh you can just do ctrl-a ctrl-c, paste in to Excel and then just remove the irrelevant rows and columns.

You would just need to factor in that some penalties aren’t subjective (e.g. big coathanger) and others are taken out of the on-field ref’s hands (ref rules try but bunker awards a penalty), so you’d have to either exclude that type of stuff or treat it as a different piece of data.

You’d also want to track based on the score at the time rather than what the final score was, so maybe separate it by points margin. If a team is down by 20 and score 3 late tries, that wasn’t a “close game”.

E.g.

Penalties blown in first 20 minutes when score is tied, versus 1-6 point margin, 7-12 margin etc.

Along with what you’ve mentioned above, I’d be really interested to learn whether teams trailing by big margins get more calls their way late in games as a square up (like Mario Kart catch up logic).

Personally I’ve always thought that the bunker should be isolated from the game. I.e. they don’t know the score and only see vision of the specific incident they are ruling on.

This is a genius idea

 

[Gards]

I thought the original vision or planned implementation of the bunker was to be just that with them isolated from the game and the scoreline.

But how realistic is it?

 

[Tatus]

Very interesting Tatus. Do you use this for work? If so what do you do if you don't mind me asking?

I’m on Centrelink lol.

@BurgoShark. Sounds like that good stuff, but suddenly I’m feeling out of my depth. I’ll give it a proper read tomorrow, and hope deep down you’ve done it all by the time I wake up. Cheers.

 

[BurgoShark]

I thought the original vision or planned implementation of the bunker was to be just that with them isolated from the game and the scoreline.

But how realistic is it?

I think it was realistic a few years ago when all they were doing was tries. Now that they are looking for crushers, hip drops and other things to send people to the bin for 5 minutes after the event though… not so much.

I would prefer much less involvement from the bunker in general though. It’s killing the game. So many unnecessary stoppages. Just use it for tries and captain’s challenge. Bring back in goal judges for those tight calls on the dead ball line, punish those other things in the match review and get on with the frickin’ game.

 

[BurgoShark]

I’m on Centrelink lol.

@BurgoShark. Sounds like that good stuff, but suddenly I’m feeling out of my depth. I’ll give it a proper read tomorrow, and hope deep down you’ve done it all by the time I wake up. Cheers.

You can do it!

Don’t worry about graphs for now. Just worry about the data you need.

I’d go with…

Round
Name of ref
Current margin
Awarded to trailing/winning/tied team?
Time in game
Type of penalty (e.g. ruck, offside, dangerous, other)
Name of team receiving penalty
Name of team being penalised
Bunker involved?

New row in a spreadsheet for each event. 9 columns for each. Easy

With that info, you could get really specific stuff. Does Todd Smith blow more penalties late in games than Peter Gough? Does Ashley Klein swallow the whistle when there is a 4 point margin or less? Do the Broncos get more penalties in the final 20 than other teams? And so on…

 

[Western Sharkie]

I think it was realistic a few years ago when all they were doing was tries. Now that they are looking for crushers, hip drops and other things to send people to the bin for 5 minutes after the event though… not so much.

I would prefer much less involvement from the bunker in general though. It’s killing the game. So many unnecessary stoppages. Just use it for tries and captain’s challenge. Bring back in goal judges for those tight calls on the dead ball line, punish those other things in the match review and get on with the frickin’ game.

Stop making sense @BurgoShark

Its unNRL

 

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Tracking score effect on referee behaviour. It’s not sexy, but I like it.

Your post makes me realise it’s unrealistic though. Could still get some interesting stuff, but I realise the result could be achieved in more ways than just blowing a penalty, like not blowing a penalty or letting an obvious forward pass slide

Something else I’ve always suspected but never seen any data on… is that teams trailing by 7+ points in the final 10 minutes or so tend to make a high amount of errors trying to play catch-up. Quite often a team who otherwise completed well all game will make 4-5 errors at the end of the game playing hot potato. I reckon you would see a clear difference in the good v bad teams on how they play late in games when chasing points, and imo that might be a much more useful stat than total completion%.

The trailing teams making mistakes wouldn’t surprise me, but it would be good to see that split up in completion rates, etc for different stages of the game.

Thanks for the breakdown. Unfortunately i can’t find CTRL on my phone so im going to put it on the back burner. Will definitely come back to this comment as reference when I give it a try.

Stop making sense @BurgoShark

Its unNRL

I would have killed for a coach like him back in the day. Was only talking about it yesterday when talking about Billy Slater, and that was that the good coaches make things sound simple.

Those stats he pops up at will seems like black magic to me, but I reckon I could do it if this damn phone had an “any key”

 

[Sevshark]

Identity theft

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