Missed conversions - how it cost us

[Milkshark]

Round 14 vs Canberra
22-20 loss
2 from 4

Round 15 vs bulldogs
14-12 loss
0 from 3

Round 16 vs broncos
24-22 loss
1 from 5

Round 24 vs raiders
15-14 loss
0 from 3

Cost us 8 points top 4

 

[Western Sharkie]

It's definitely cost us a top 4, very possibly a top 8 and even more so $$$ in the bank.
If we win those games and are sitting in the top 2-4 then we have more bums on seats at home games, resulting in more beer, chips, pies, hamburgers and merchandise etc sales.

I think we need to "invest" in a kicking coach, as I would say they will pay for themselves over the course of a season.

 

[MMsharks]

the season of missed conversions.

on reflection - need solid kicker...we miss jimmy M


do we have a kicking coach?

I'd happy to chip for Daryl Halligan!!!!!:glasses-cool: of the COV!!!!

 

[Mark^Bastard]

There's a difference between saying we lost a game on kicking because we didn't get 100%, and saying we lost due to kicking because it was well below even a poor conversion %

Round 14 vs Canberra
22-20 loss
2 from 4
We needed to kick at 75% to draw and 100% to win. This one is therefore marginal to me.

Round 15 vs bulldogs
14-12 loss
0 from 3
Needed to kick at just 66% to win. This one hurts.

Round 16 vs broncos
24-22 loss
1 from 5

Needed to kick at 60% to win. Big ouch.

Round 24 vs raiders
15-14 loss
0 from 3

Needed to kick at 33% to win and make the 8 and send Gal off well. FMD! This is murder.

 

[Milkshark]

There's a difference between saying we lost a game on kicking because we didn't get 100%, and saying we lost due to kicking because it was well below even a poor conversion %

Round 14 vs Canberra
22-20 loss
2 from 4
We needed to kick at 75% to draw and 100% to win. This one is therefore marginal to me.

Fair point.

Even still, 6 points puts us in 5th, playing for top 4 this weekend.

 

[Flanno]

Don’t know if we lost it because of our goal kicking because I recall a few penalties to Warriors but that was another game we lost despite scoring more tries.

 

[HaroldBishop]

Two chances were tough yesterday but one was pretty easy.

Thing is, you can't say that cost us the game. Instead of going for a field goal Canberra may well of scored a try. Who knows what would have happened.

It certainly didn't help us, though.

 

[snowman]

i made the comment in the game thread

both times against canberra we scored more tries but lost on goal kicking

we would be on 28 with canberra

 

[Western Sharkie]

Fair point.

Even still, 6 points puts us in 5th, playing for top 4 this weekend.

Those results didn't just affect those games. There is a flow on, into other games.
If we win some of those earlier ones then play with more confidence in other matches too and Possibly win against the storm and or panthers as well!

 

[Milkshark]

Those results didn't just affect those games. There is a flow on, into other games.
If we win some of those earlier ones then play with more confidence in other matches too and Possibly win against the storm and or panthers as well!

Correct

 

[sharks2010]

Those results didn't just affect those games. There is a flow on, into other games.
If we win some of those earlier ones then play with more confidence in other matches too and Possibly win against the storm and or panthers as well!

also could have easily gone the other way and take teams to easy, hell, we couldn't even beat an out of form Panthers. Instead we made Cleary look like joey johns

While those games we out scored teams hurt, there's been a few games we still shouldn't have lost regardless, like the Panthers game

 

[Mark^Bastard]

There is a lot of hypothetical stuff being talked about, but really any team should be able to kick at 75-80% if they are serious.

 

[Milkshark]

There is a lot of hypothetical stuff being talked about, but really any team should be able to kick at 75-80% if they are serious.

If we kick 75-80% of those we win 3 from 4

 

[HaroldBishop]

If we kick 75-80% of those we win 3 from 4

We don't know that.

 

[Milkshark]

We don't know that.

If the game was played the exact same way it was played, than yeah we win 3 from 4

 

[sharks2010]

We don't know that.

the Broncos game we were a head enough to win and the raiders game we played like spastics at the beginning of the game and gifted them a 20-0 nil head start. That's more concerning to me then some missed goals

 

[HaroldBishop]

If the game was played the exact same way it was played, than yeah we win 3 from 4

But it wouldn't be, especially yesterday. If Canberra were 2-4 points behind rather than equal they change the way they play. They obviously don't go for a field goal. Who knows, they could have scored a try.

the Broncos game we were a head enough to win and the raiders game we played like spastics at the beginning of the game and gifted them a 20-0 nil head start. That's more concerning to me then some missed goals

Yep

 

[Western Sharkie]

I think we will struggle to get up against the Tigers next week now.
This last Raiders game is such a demoralising loss and the fact the Tigers will have their tails up leans towards us missing out.
If that happens, then the football department when reviewing our season SHOULD (if they have any sense) come up with a deficiency in our goal kicking. We have the goal kickers in our squad, they just need reassurance and guidance from time to time by someone like Halligan.
We can score plenty of tries but these games show how important it is to a teams season to convert them.

 

[Mark^Bastard]

If the game was played the exact same way it was played, than yeah we win 3 from 4

Yep to me that's the logical way to look at it.

From a statistics point of view there'd be a normal distribution for a lot of aspects of RL like goal kicking % and tackle efficiency etc.

If the normal goal kicking % is say 75%, kicking at 1 from 5 is clearly in the lower percentile. If a player has tackled 40 times and misses the 41st and it leads to a try, that's far less compelling because he's still tackling at 40/41 which is definitely not in the failure part of a bell curve. I mean almost all tries come off the back of missed tackles, it's a normal part of the game. Just like missing conversions is normal. It's completely abnormal to miss that many.

Whatever aspects are statistically the most abnormally negative deserve the blame for losses first and foremost.

There's no guarantee we win if we convert them all, because of chaos theory and all that, but it's still by far the most relevant thing to bitch and moan about.

 

[Patrick]

Why a kicking coach though? I can't kick goals but if I could I don't think it's something you forget how to do. SJ is 75%ish and Chad is around 70%. I don't get why they keep missing.