BurgoShark
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He's here, he's there, he's every-****ing-where... MOYZA... MOYZA!!!Another top notch performance from Moyza. He was everywhere yesterday
He's here, he's there, he's every-****ing-where... MOYZA... MOYZA!!!Another top notch performance from Moyza. He was everywhere yesterday
Hard to be disappointed with that.heard from a pretty reliable source that moylans deal is 375k per year and is heavily dependant on games played, much like this year
the thinking is that the market for halves available right now is not at an all time high and gives us flexibility to develop trindall/dykes, or have a red hot crack at someone in a years time
dont mind the deal, the length, or the thinking, moylan has looked good the last month, hitting his straps at the right time of the season
On sub 400k I don't mind the 2nd year a whole lot.Hard to be disappointed with that.
And I don't suppose it stops us signing anyone else if they pop up. Sub $400k still gives us decent marquee money with the pay drop and a few other big money senior players who could step aside if need be.On sub 400k I don't mind the 2nd year a whole lot.
Realistically Dykes is almost certainly at least 2 years away from being ready for every week NRL and Trindall is clearly not better than Moylan at this point in time, nor likely to be within next 18 months.
This is my understanding from a couple things I have seen but I think the 'bonus' system in the NRL takes quite a lot of cap management.And I don't suppose it stops us signing anyone else if they pop up. Sub $400k still gives us decent marquee money with the pay drop and a few other big money senior players who could step aside if need be.
If the contract is based on games played, could we sign another half for the second year and not play Moyza? His potential earnings need to be in the cap, right? So it must be the first year games playd triggering the second year..?
Was just going to leave it with a but that seemed meanThis is my understanding from a couple things I have seen but I think the 'bonus' system in the NRL takes quite a lot of cap management.
I believe incentives are usually included in cap based on year before.
Say for Moylan it is 10k per regular season game and then a base salary of 110k* and a 25k finals bonus if he plays through full season this year the whole 375k will count on next years cap.
But if he only played 12 games in first year of new contract (2023) at some stage that year we will have 120k become available.
Then the next year (2024) he will only count against the cap for 255k but for every game over 12 he plays we will have 10k accrue against our 2025 cap when he may not even be signed with us anymore.
He would get paid it as he is owed it, it's just how it records against cap which the club needs to manage.
Confused yet?
So I guess it is nice to say player X or Y should have a lot of his pay reliant on games played or wins but if these payments are substantial that can really **** a cap around when they achieve them a lot more or less than 'expected'.
You also don't really want to incentivise personal stats too much. If Ramien gets 5k for every try he scores but no bonus for wins he's gunna take the go himself option every time.
More than happy for anyone to help clarify this for me, one of my points of reference is here: https://www.nrl.com/operations/integrity/salary-cap/ under How much can clubs spend?
I can't say I can remember source of other times I've seen it mentioned.
*TBH I think for a fairly established player like him it might be more likely something like 230k base and 5k per game, 25k finals.
But I really don't know and 10k worked cleaner for my example.
Anyone really to be honest.Was just going to leave it with a but that seemed mean
Okay... I think I've got it... It's a lot of bulls**t to go through to have Matt Moylan playing for you, that's for sure.
You had me at helloThis is my understanding from a couple things I have seen but I think the 'bonus' system in the NRL takes quite a lot of cap management.
I believe incentives are usually included in cap based on year before.
Say for Moylan it is 10k per regular season game and then a base salary of 110k* and a 25k finals bonus if he plays through full season this year the whole 375k will count on next years cap.
But if he only played 12 games in first year of new contract (2023) at some stage that year we will have 120k become available.
Then the next year (2024) he will only count against the cap for 255k but for every game over 12 he plays we will have 10k accrue against our 2025 cap when he may not even be signed with us anymore.
He would get paid it as he is owed it, it's just how it records against cap which the club needs to manage.
Confused yet?
So I guess it is nice to say player X or Y should have a lot of his pay reliant on games played or wins but if these payments are substantial that can really **** a cap around when they achieve them a lot more or less than 'expected'.
You also don't really want to incentivise personal stats too much. If Ramien gets 5k for every try he scores but no bonus for wins he's gunna take the go himself option every time.
More than happy for anyone to help clarify this for me, one of my points of reference is here: https://www.nrl.com/operations/integrity/salary-cap/ under How much can clubs spend?
I can't say I can remember source of other times I've seen it mentioned.
*TBH I think for a fairly established player like him it might be more likely something like 230k base and 5k per game, 25k finals.
But I really don't know and 10k worked cleaner for my example.
nothing worse than an unexpected back-ending.You had me at hello
Who's our money on or we feel could be a standout in that role in 2024/25On sub 400k I don't mind the 2nd year a whole lot.
Realistically Dykes is almost certainly at least 2 years away from being ready for every week NRL and Trindall is clearly not better than Moylan at this point in time, nor likely to be within next 18 months.
He can keep the spot warm for when young Burgo is ready in 2027/2028.Who's our money on or we feel could be a standout in that role in 2024/25
Dykes ?
Yeah right , thanks for that .He can keep the spot warm for when young Burgo is ready in 2027/2028.
From the current crop though, Dykes, Taukamo, Rivett are your best bets. I really want to see Taukamo play Flegg to see how he goes against more physically developed players. He's a man among boys when playing u18's.
You’d think if you’re going backward you’d plop him into 2016, or can’t he be pushed over from a scrum?He can keep the spot warm for when young Burgo is ready in 2027/2028.
From the current crop though, Dykes, Taukamo, Rivett are your best bets. I really want to see Taukamo play Flegg to see how he goes against more physically developed players. He's a man among boys when playing u18's.
Was just going to leave it with a but that seemed mean
Okay... I think I've got it... It's a lot of bulls**t to go through to have Matt Moylan playing for you, that's for sure.
I like the way he is playing, but if he has to be incentived every game to get in the park I have some concernsClub had to balance this out with the bulls**t they would have gotten from SF posters is they paid him too much
Missing games means earning less money which would either incentivise someone to play soft and avoid getting hurt OR incentivise them to take extra steps to look after themselves and stay in form. On this years evidence it's thankfully the later for Moylan but if he ever goes all SJ on us he can be introduced back to his old position of sitting in the stands - although I would expect less of a smirk this time around
Club seems to have managed this well though
Club had to balance this out with the bulls**t they would have gotten from SF posters is they paid him too much
Missing games means earning less money which would either incentivise someone to play soft and avoid getting hurt OR incentivise them to take extra steps to look after themselves and stay in form. On this years evidence it's thankfully the later for Moylan but if he ever goes all SJ on us he can be introduced back to his old position of sitting in the stands - although I would expect less of a smirk this time around
Club seems to have managed this well though
Tigers sniffing around …All this talk about Dykes but are we actually keeping him?
Yeah right , thanks for that .
He plays in the halves .
How BIG ?
PS : and will keep an eye open for the Junior Burg
Siteni plays 1 or 6.Are you referring to Siteni ? He's a fullback. He can play halves and think he might have lined up at centre for a game this year. Could be wrong. Bomber signed him till 2024 or something, think he joins the full time squad next year. Big wraps on him.
Goal kicks also, but dont think he's very accurate as he lost kicking to someone else I believe later in the season.
I don't think he's massive size wise from what I can tell but he's a cut about the rest talent wise. LIke Burgo said I'd like to see him get some Flegg time this year too and curious why they haven't yet. Hopefully we see him soon.