Official Matt Moylan

[Wiz]

Agree but it makes you wonder what our coaching staff had done to try to improve his mindset / motivation etc.

Yes players should self motivate but it's human nature that sometimes you have a dip in motivation or eagerness to go that bit extra. That's why you have coaches and trainers to bring the best out of you.

being off contract is all the motivation you need, I would be really impressed if this was a non contract year

 

[Sparkles]

heard from a pretty reliable source that moylans deal is 375k per year and is heavily dependant on games played, much like this year

the thinking is that the market for halves available right now is not at an all time high and gives us flexibility to develop trindall/dykes, or have a red hot crack at someone in a years time

dont mind the deal, the length, or the thinking, moylan has looked good the last month, hitting his straps at the right time of the season

How do they structure the contract around games played? Is it in the 1st year to trigger the 2nd year if he's on the park enough times?

 

[HaroldBishop]

heard from a pretty reliable source that moylans deal is 375k per year and is heavily dependant on games played, much like this year

the thinking is that the market for halves available right now is not at an all time high and gives us flexibility to develop trindall/dykes, or have a red hot crack at someone in a years time

dont mind the deal, the length, or the thinking, moylan has looked good the last month, hitting his straps at the right time of the season

Hard to be disappointed with that.

 

[bort]

Hard to be disappointed with that.

On sub 400k I don't mind the 2nd year a whole lot.

Realistically Dykes is almost certainly at least 2 years away from being ready for every week NRL and Trindall is clearly not better than Moylan at this point in time, nor likely to be within next 18 months.

 

[Sparkles]

On sub 400k I don't mind the 2nd year a whole lot.

Realistically Dykes is almost certainly at least 2 years away from being ready for every week NRL and Trindall is clearly not better than Moylan at this point in time, nor likely to be within next 18 months.

And I don't suppose it stops us signing anyone else if they pop up. Sub $400k still gives us decent marquee money with the pay drop and a few other big money senior players who could step aside if need be.

If the contract is based on games played, could we sign another half for the second year and not play Moyza? His potential earnings need to be in the cap, right? So it must be the first year games playd triggering the second year..?

 

[bort]

And I don't suppose it stops us signing anyone else if they pop up. Sub $400k still gives us decent marquee money with the pay drop and a few other big money senior players who could step aside if need be.

If the contract is based on games played, could we sign another half for the second year and not play Moyza? His potential earnings need to be in the cap, right? So it must be the first year games playd triggering the second year..?

This is my understanding from a couple things I have seen but I think the 'bonus' system in the NRL takes quite a lot of cap management.
I believe incentives are usually included in cap based on year before.

Say for Moylan it is 10k per regular season game and then a base salary of 110k* and a 25k finals bonus if he plays through full season this year the whole 375k will count on next years cap.

But if he only played 12 games in first year of new contract (2023) at some stage that year we will have 120k become available.
Then the next year (2024) he will only count against the cap for 255k but for every game over 12 he plays we will have 10k accrue against our 2025 cap when he may not even be signed with us anymore.

He would get paid it as he is owed it, it's just how it records against cap which the club needs to manage.

Confused yet?

So I guess it is nice to say player X or Y should have a lot of his pay reliant on games played or wins but if these payments are substantial that can really **** a cap around when they achieve them a lot more or less than 'expected'.
You also don't really want to incentivise personal stats too much. If Ramien gets 5k for every try he scores but no bonus for wins he's gunna take the go himself option every time.

More than happy for anyone to help clarify this for me, one of my points of reference is here: https://www.nrl.com/operations/integrity/salary-cap/ under How much can clubs spend?
I can't say I can remember source of other times I've seen it mentioned.

*TBH I think for a fairly established player like him it might be more likely something like 230k base and 5k per game, 25k finals.
But I really don't know and 10k worked cleaner for my example.

 

[Sparkles]

This is my understanding from a couple things I have seen but I think the 'bonus' system in the NRL takes quite a lot of cap management.
I believe incentives are usually included in cap based on year before.

Say for Moylan it is 10k per regular season game and then a base salary of 110k* and a 25k finals bonus if he plays through full season this year the whole 375k will count on next years cap.

But if he only played 12 games in first year of new contract (2023) at some stage that year we will have 120k become available.
Then the next year (2024) he will only count against the cap for 255k but for every game over 12 he plays we will have 10k accrue against our 2025 cap when he may not even be signed with us anymore.

He would get paid it as he is owed it, it's just how it records against cap which the club needs to manage.

Confused yet?

So I guess it is nice to say player X or Y should have a lot of his pay reliant on games played or wins but if these payments are substantial that can really **** a cap around when they achieve them a lot more or less than 'expected'.
You also don't really want to incentivise personal stats too much. If Ramien gets 5k for every try he scores but no bonus for wins he's gunna take the go himself option every time.

More than happy for anyone to help clarify this for me, one of my points of reference is here: https://www.nrl.com/operations/integrity/salary-cap/ under How much can clubs spend?
I can't say I can remember source of other times I've seen it mentioned.

*TBH I think for a fairly established player like him it might be more likely something like 230k base and 5k per game, 25k finals.
But I really don't know and 10k worked cleaner for my example.

Was just going to leave it with a but that seemed mean

Okay... I think I've got it... It's a lot of bulls**t to go through to have Matt Moylan playing for you, that's for sure.

 

[bort]

Was just going to leave it with a but that seemed mean

Okay... I think I've got it... It's a lot of bulls**t to go through to have Matt Moylan playing for you, that's for sure.

Anyone really to be honest.
Imagine the cap minefield back ending could potentially cause (probably contributing to the fact NRL don't like it)

Player signs for a back ended contract of 600, 700, 800. Only the base wage changes but they are on 10k per game played.
Year before signing (Year 0) they played every game so Year 1 full 600k counts against cap.
But in Year 1 they have a significant injury and just play 10 games. Their pay for that year now 460k and NRL will call their cap hit for Year 2 560k.
Now in Year 2 the body is feeling good, another 24 games played but their cap hit is just 560 (although you still actually pay them 700) as the extra games carry through to next year.
So Year 3 cap hit is the full 800k (because they played every game last year) PLUS 140k carried over from the year before.

So old mate worth 700k you tried to wiggle into your cap before you could afford them with back ending is on your cap for 940k in their third year with you.

 

[apezza]

This is my understanding from a couple things I have seen but I think the 'bonus' system in the NRL takes quite a lot of cap management.
I believe incentives are usually included in cap based on year before.

Say for Moylan it is 10k per regular season game and then a base salary of 110k* and a 25k finals bonus if he plays through full season this year the whole 375k will count on next years cap.

But if he only played 12 games in first year of new contract (2023) at some stage that year we will have 120k become available.
Then the next year (2024) he will only count against the cap for 255k but for every game over 12 he plays we will have 10k accrue against our 2025 cap when he may not even be signed with us anymore.

He would get paid it as he is owed it, it's just how it records against cap which the club needs to manage.

Confused yet?

So I guess it is nice to say player X or Y should have a lot of his pay reliant on games played or wins but if these payments are substantial that can really **** a cap around when they achieve them a lot more or less than 'expected'.
You also don't really want to incentivise personal stats too much. If Ramien gets 5k for every try he scores but no bonus for wins he's gunna take the go himself option every time.

More than happy for anyone to help clarify this for me, one of my points of reference is here: https://www.nrl.com/operations/integrity/salary-cap/ under How much can clubs spend?
I can't say I can remember source of other times I've seen it mentioned.

*TBH I think for a fairly established player like him it might be more likely something like 230k base and 5k per game, 25k finals.
But I really don't know and 10k worked cleaner for my example.

You had me at hello

 

[egg]

On sub 400k I don't mind the 2nd year a whole lot.

Realistically Dykes is almost certainly at least 2 years away from being ready for every week NRL and Trindall is clearly not better than Moylan at this point in time, nor likely to be within next 18 months.

Who's our money on or we feel could be a standout in that role in 2024/25
Dykes ?

 

[egg]

He can keep the spot warm for when young Burgo is ready in 2027/2028.

From the current crop though, Dykes, Taukamo, Rivett are your best bets. I really want to see Taukamo play Flegg to see how he goes against more physically developed players. He's a man among boys when playing u18's.

Yeah right , thanks for that .
He plays in the halves .
How BIG ?
PS : and will keep an eye open for the Junior Burg

 

[bort]

He can keep the spot warm for when young Burgo is ready in 2027/2028.

From the current crop though, Dykes, Taukamo, Rivett are your best bets. I really want to see Taukamo play Flegg to see how he goes against more physically developed players. He's a man among boys when playing u18's.

You’d think if you’re going backward you’d plop him into 2016, or can’t he be pushed over from a scrum?

 

[Gards]

Was just going to leave it with a but that seemed mean

Okay... I think I've got it... It's a lot of bulls**t to go through to have Matt Moylan playing for you, that's for sure.

Club had to balance this out with the bulls**t they would have gotten from SF posters is they paid him too much

Missing games means earning less money which would either incentivise someone to play soft and avoid getting hurt OR incentivise them to take extra steps to look after themselves and stay in form. On this years evidence it's thankfully the later for Moylan but if he ever goes all SJ on us he can be introduced back to his old position of sitting in the stands - although I would expect less of a smirk this time around

Club seems to have managed this well though

 

[Sparkles]

Club had to balance this out with the bulls**t they would have gotten from SF posters is they paid him too much

Missing games means earning less money which would either incentivise someone to play soft and avoid getting hurt OR incentivise them to take extra steps to look after themselves and stay in form. On this years evidence it's thankfully the later for Moylan but if he ever goes all SJ on us he can be introduced back to his old position of sitting in the stands - although I would expect less of a smirk this time around

Club seems to have managed this well though

I like the way he is playing, but if he has to be incentived every game to get in the park I have some concerns

 

[Sharkies_001]

All this talk about Dykes but are we actually keeping him?

 

[Western Sharkie]

Club had to balance this out with the bulls**t they would have gotten from SF posters is they paid him too much

Missing games means earning less money which would either incentivise someone to play soft and avoid getting hurt OR incentivise them to take extra steps to look after themselves and stay in form. On this years evidence it's thankfully the later for Moylan but if he ever goes all SJ on us he can be introduced back to his old position of sitting in the stands - although I would expect less of a smirk this time around

Club seems to have managed this well though

I have it on good authority that Fitz reads SF nightly and makes decisions based on “majority rules posts” by its members…..

Ahmm, Bullshit!

 

[Super Impose]

All this talk about Dykes but are we actually keeping him?

Tigers sniffing around …

 

[Tiger Shark]

Yeah right , thanks for that .
He plays in the halves .
How BIG ?
PS : and will keep an eye open for the Junior Burg

Are you referring to Siteni ? He's a fullback. He can play halves and think he might have lined up at centre for a game this year. Could be wrong. Bomber signed him till 2024 or something, think he joins the full time squad next year. Big wraps on him.

Goal kicks also, but dont think he's very accurate as he lost kicking to someone else I believe later in the season.

I don't think he's massive size wise from what I can tell but he's a cut about the rest talent wise. LIke Burgo said I'd like to see him get some Flegg time this year too and curious why they haven't yet. Hopefully we see him soon.

 

[Sevshark]

Goal kicks also, but dont think he's very accurate as he lost kicking to someone else I believe later in the season.

Sounds like he should be playing 1st grade for us already.

 

[egg]

Thanks HEAPs Lads