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hamsy44

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No, I'm not annoyed. Would you expect to be consulted if they re-financed with a bank? What's the difference?

How is it different to any other loan? Our security for the loan is our ground, the same as it would be with a bank. If the pizza dude calls in the loan we re-finance with a bank or another financial institution. It's not like he just all of a sudden takes control of the ground.

What am I missing here?

If we can refinance its not an issue. If we can't we then don't own our own ground which would be worth a good 15-20 million over a 3.5 million debt.

Plus as the ground connects to the development/leagues club what are the impacts on that?
 

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If we can refinance its not an issue. If we can't we then don't own our own ground which would be worth a good 15-20 million over a 3.5 million debt.

Plus as the ground connects to the development/leagues club what are the impacts on that?

But how would that be different to going with a bank? If we can't meet repayments, they take control anyway, right? Same thing.
 

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No, I'm not annoyed. Would you expect to be consulted if they re-financed with a bank? What's the difference?

How is it different to any other loan? Our security for the loan is our ground, the same as it would be with a bank. If the pizza dude calls in the loan we re-finance with a bank or another financial institution. It's not like he just all of a sudden takes control of the ground.

What am I missing here?
For what it is worth, l am with you HB.
As for the Billionaire buying the club not so sure, maybe a stake holder would be good. We could (as people have said) be a sister club to Salford, that might work.From what l have read he likes things to go his way, with selections etc.good/bad don't know. This could be an opportunity to be like the clubs who don't seem to have salary caps, if you know what l mean.
 

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I love that we're a community club and not some rich bloke's folly.
 

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It's mostly about transparency HB, the fact no one was informe until the media broke the news is one issue; and while defaulting on a loan from a bank is essentially no different than with a private lender, at least a bank is a publicly listed entity accountable to it's shareholders and wider public gaze. A dude who did a handshake deal with the club and the details of that arrangement are obfuscated from our scrutiny.

While more puerile to say, I'd prefer our grounds to be held under mortgage by an objective fonsncisl body - rather than a self-proclaimed silvertail supporter.
 

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It's mostly about transparency HB, the fact no one was informe until the media broke the news is one issue; and while defaulting on a loan from a bank is essentially no different than with a private lender, at least a bank is a publicly listed entity accountable to it's shareholders and wider public gaze. A dude who did a handshake deal with the club and the details of that arrangement are obfuscated from our scrutiny.

While more puerile to say, I'd prefer our grounds to be held under mortgage by an objective fonsncisl body - rather than a self-proclaimed silvertail supporter.

A handshake deal? You don't think there would be a contract in place?
 

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I wonder what kind of interest rate we are being charged and how that compares to a bank loan.

Usually if you take out a loan with a backyard organisation you pay through the teeth for it.
 

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I wonder what kind of interest rate we are being charged and how that compares to a bank loan.

Usually if you take out a loan with a backyard organisation you pay through the teeth for it.

I thought I remember hearing or reading it was a discounted rate to that of a bank which is why we went down that path? Could be wrong.
 

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I thought I remember hearing or reading it was a discounted rate to that of a bank which is why we went down that path? Could be wrong.
not having a go mate but that there is why we should have been informed of what was going on, with all the details as **** all information has been released
 

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But how would that be different to going with a bank? If we can't meet repayments, they take control anyway, right? Same thing.

Same but different. A bank doesn't really want to take control of your asset they would much rather you pay them back - Assets suck to get rid of especially a football ground.

Pizza guy could be the same - or he could at the first default take control - bulldoze the ground and put up apartments. Maybe far fetched but I don't know this bloke from a bar of a soap and I don't know the details of the deal.

Thats why I never liked it and still don't.
 

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not having a go mate but that there is why we should have been informed of what was going on, with all the details as **** all information has been released

Dear god... I actually agree with you about something.

Hell has frozen over.
 

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I love that we're a community club and not some rich bloke's folly.

I think I agree. I'm aware how wishy-washy that sounds.

Situations like that of Newy and Tinkler makes everyone touchy about private ownership. Aspects of Souths and PHaC/Crowe too but it'd be difficult to argue Souths aren't better off.

So I think it depends on which rich bloke's folly it is. Lets be fair dinkum being a 'community club' hasn't seen us excel and just how much notice is taken of the 'community' (is this the locals, the broader fan community?) anyhow.

I know nothing of Kukash or his motives, aspirations whatever. Would we feel different if he were a confessed Sharkies tragic - a member of this 'community'? I think so. Although Tinks was a Knight through and through too aparently. I guess God forbid a bloke like <insert dunce forumer here> struck gold and took over, but if <insert balanced individual who we know/trust> took the reigns it might be different.

Private ownership is going to be the preferred model moving forwards. I've little doubt about this simply judging from most other major sporting competitions. At the moment with most Clubs not turning a profit it takes more a heart over head decision to buy in to a footy Club. But supposing Dave Smith and his lot take the game in the direction they plan, and drag the Clubs along kicking and screaming into profit making businesses, then we'll see more people looking to invest. These will be businessmen but looking to turn a profit, which you could argue is better than a staunch fan doing it for love.

Apologies if that reads like a brainfart. Its a tricky one and something the ARLC will have to deal with more and more. I guess its about letting the right people in for the right reasons, and the NRL having the money to sustain Clubs in trouble instead of having them sell out to the highest (only) bidder out of desperation.

Like I've said previous though I doubt we're an attractive investment until the cloud of litigation from the 2011 PED saga goes away anyway.

I wonder what kind of interest rate we are being charged and how that compares to a bank loan.

Usually if you take out a loan with a backyard organisation you pay through the teeth for it.

I thought I remember hearing or reading it was a discounted rate to that of a bank which is why we went down that path? Could be wrong.

You'd like to think there was a sound financial basis behind transferring from a bank to an individual lender. But with any good upside to a deal for the borrowing party there is usually an equally good upside for the lending party should the borrower fail on their end. These upsides and downsides should be transparent to members.
 

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Our constitution requires such a decision to be ratified by the members I believe.

Am I wrong on this point?
 
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