Idea for the Financial Health of the Sharks: Demolish the Debt?

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For quite a while I have been pondering how the Club can involve its fan base more on an ongoing basis. The idea is that rather than waiting for the Club to reach death's door as we were in 2009, (remember this, this, this and this?) Surely it would be better if we, as fans, adopted a proactive approach to our problems?

The Club admin is currently doing an admirable job with the development process and turning both the Leagues and Football Clubs around. However, I would like to see more opportunities for the fans to like us to help get the Club to a point where we are stable, growing financially and dominating the competition.

One of the most direct and potentially most beneficial ways fans could aid the Sharks would be to follow the lead of the Melbourne Demons and Western Bulldogs with their respective 'Demolish the Debt' and 'Bulldoze the Debt' campaigns.

Through a combination of fundraisers, raffles, special Membership offers and plain donations, last year Melbourne managed to complete a two year 'Demolition' of their $5 million debt which had had the Demons hamstrung and perennially lurking around the bottom of the ladder. The Bulldogs are in midst of trying to clear a similarly sized debt in the same way and have made it clear that the money saved in paying interest to the bank will be invested directly in to the Club's Football Department.

Is there any reason why the Sharks could not go down a similar path?

According to the 2010 Annual Report:
- The Club's total liabilities stand at around $15.7 million
- We currently owe $10.3 million to St George Bank
- The Consortium will pay St George Bank $10 million upon approval of the development proposal and as a result we will owe St George $3.7 million

For an easy to understand run down of the revised financial situation under the new development plans, check out Mark^Bastard's excellent post here.

Also, our current interest repayments are in the order of $800k a year- an enormous amount.

As I understand it, the revised terms with the Bank that would follow the Consortium's $10 million payment would mean that the Club's interest obligations would not be so steep.

So what more can be done?

I would love to see our very own 'Sharks Bites' (it would need a better moniker!) debt demolition campaign. The Club, the players and the fans getting together to achieve a specific goal- to ensure that the Club pays zero interest on its loans until such time as it can repay the debt in its entirety- probably when the first residential revenues are received, in about 5 years time. Essentially, the idea would be to allow the Club to allocate the money it would have spent on interest payments directly to the Football and Match Day departments, as the Western Bulldogs have done. I'm thinking things like reintroducing grants to the local league, gradually improve strength, conditioning, recovery and rehabilitation facilities, offer a better match day experience, etc.


For me, such a campaign seems to be the next logical step on from getting the development approved.

1) Secure our future in the Shire by getting the development approved

2) Make the Sharks a consistently competitive side across all grades and bring the Shire back to Sharks games by removing the interest repayment burden

Thoughts?
 

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sounds good.
the sharks as a club have to be in on this and make it official. it should be an easy process to set up and shouldn't take long. i think we will get better results than we all think. i think on a good game day you could easily raise over $1000 a game. thats 11k a year just through game days

how about this

http://www.swanstrust.co.uk/PageContent.aspx?id=428

this is something we could do!

http://www.ecfcst.org.uk/
 
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I doubt we could raise 800k a year - but I like the idea AB.

I mean any substantial contribution to that target would be invaluable.

I'm happy to contribute to a scheme like that anyway - even if it's a straight donation.
 

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nice idea AB. like B&b said i would question the clubs fundraising ability in comparability to the AFL clubs. much larger membership and general supporter base than ours.

that said as always i would contribute anyway i could.
 

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Totally agree, AB.
The sooner the Leagues Club clears its debt, the sooner the Football team can be provided with the 1st class staff & facilities it requires to be consistantly competitive in the NRL.
I believe it would be a far more constructive way of financially assisting the club, than previous suggestions like 3rd party payments.

I doubt we could raise 800k a year - but I like the idea AB.

I mean any substantial contribution to that target would be invaluable. :Yes:

I'm happy to contribute to a scheme like that anyway - even if it's a straight donation.:Yes:

We wouldn't have to B&B. Once the consortium pays the $10 million to St George Bank, the interest repayments will be a fraction of the $800k a year, currently being paid.

Anyway, every little bit will help.
 

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It's a good idea but remember, the majority of demons and dogs fans would be victorians.
 

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For quite a while I have been pondering how the Club can involve its fan base more on an ongoing basis. The idea is that rather than waiting for the Club to reach death's door as we were in 2009, (remember this, this, this and this?) Surely it would be better if we, as fans, adopted a proactive approach to our problems?

The Club admin is currently doing an admirable job with the development process and turning both the Leagues and Football Clubs around. However, I would like to see more opportunities for the fans to like us to help get the Club to a point where we are stable, growing financially and dominating the competition.

One of the most direct and potentially most beneficial ways fans could aid the Sharks would be to follow the lead of the Melbourne Demons and Western Bulldogs with their respective 'Demolish the Debt' and 'Bulldoze the Debt' campaigns.

Through a combination of fundraisers, raffles, special Membership offers and plain donations, last year Melbourne managed to complete a two year 'Demolition' of their $5 million debt which had had the Demons hamstrung and perennially lurking around the bottom of the ladder. The Bulldogs are in midst of trying to clear a similarly sized debt in the same way and have made it clear that the money saved in paying interest to the bank will be invested directly in to the Club's Football Department.

Is there any reason why the Sharks could not go down a similar path?

According to the 2010 Annual Report:
- The Club's total liabilities stand at around $15.7 million
- We currently owe $10.3 million to St George Bank
- The Consortium will pay St George Bank $10 million upon approval of the development proposal and as a result we will owe St George $3.7 million

For an easy to understand run down of the revised financial situation under the new development plans, check out Mark^Bastard's excellent post here.

Also, our current interest repayments are in the order of $800k a year- an enormous amount.

As I understand it, the revised terms with the Bank that would follow the Consortium's $10 million payment would mean that the Club's interest obligations would not be so steep.

So what more can be done?

I would love to see our very own 'Sharks Bites' (it would need a better moniker!) debt demolition campaign. The Club, the players and the fans getting together to achieve a specific goal- to ensure that the Club pays zero interest on its loans until such time as it can repay the debt in its entirety- probably when the first residential revenues are received, in about 5 years time. Essentially, the idea would be to allow the Club to allocate the money it would have spent on interest payments directly to the Football and Match Day departments, as the Western Bulldogs have done. I'm thinking things like reintroducing grants to the local league, gradually improve strength, conditioning, recovery and rehabilitation facilities, offer a better match day experience, etc.


For me, such a campaign seems to be the next logical step on from getting the development approved.

1) Secure our future in the Shire by getting the development approved

2) Make the Sharks a consistently competitive side across all grades and bring the Shire back to Sharks games by removing the interest repayment burden

Thoughts?

are you getting back to the fund where we all chuck in the cash to a fund?
if so, this needs to be this forums major off season project.

and AB, why the **** can i like your post on facebook?
 

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are you getting back to the fund where we all chuck in the cash to a fund?
if so, this needs to be this forums major off season project.

and AB, why the **** can i like your post on facebook?

You can? Weird..?

It wasn't intended to be the same as those other suggestions, no, though I suppose it is along the same lines. This would have to be Club driven and promoted, it has nothing to do with player sponsorship and I'm not envisaging any kind of ownership change. It would be purely about helping the Sharks' interest payments out in the medium term in order to see a more successful team on the field and a more healthy Club off it.

how many members do those 2 afl clubs have?

hate to say it but its like chalk and cheese.

To be honest, they had bigger problems when they started than we do now. The AFL was actually propping them up on a yearly basis, and they had no other avenue to clear the debt other than the generosity of their fans. We have the development to clear the debt, the so I am proposing a different goal- to eliminate the interest payments the Club will be forced to make until it can clear that debt entirely.

Look at it from the bottom up, rather than the top down mate. Can we raise 15 million and pay off the debt? No. Can we raise 3.5 million? No. But can we raise a grand over one season? I reckon you could raise a grand in one night on Sharks Forever. So could you raise five grand over a season? Sure, it would take some work but it wouldn't be too hard. What about fifty? Tougher, but with some functions, some auctions... And so we go on from there. Start with what is possible, try and improve.

We wouldn't have to B&B. Once the consortium pays the $10 million to St George Bank, the interest repayments will be a fraction of the $800k a year, currently being paid.

Anyway, every little bit will help.

Exactly FLEETY. I can only imagine that the renegotiation would mean that the interest payments will be cut significantly. Without the figures it is impossible to say, but my guess is that the target would be a) useful and worthwhile, and b) manageable- if there was a concerted, creative push from the Club, the players and the fans.

It's a good idea but remember, the majority of demons and dogs fans would be victorians.

What does their state have to do with it brently?
 

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Is floating the business through shares or bonds an avenue that could be looked at ?.

Great for raising some funds
 

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I like your ideas AB and I for one would contribute to it. Ive disussed with people before a direct debit type scheme. But with our member numbers and low crowd figures I just dont know how much coin you would get from it. The diehards will obviously contribute but a lot of people just dont care anymore. I live locally and am involved in the junior league etc and so many fans just dont seem bothered anymore. The club has to have some on field success in the next couple of years. Thats what it all comes back to.
 

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are you getting back to the fund where we all chuck in the cash to a fund?
if so, this needs to be this forums major off season project.

:Yes::Yes::Yes: Agree S2. We should start this off ourselves, with either one-off or weekly donations (whatever people can afford).
We can then combine it with any fund raising activities the club initiates during the pre-season & game days, etc.
 

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i just thought i'd throw it out there and see what sort of bites I got :) thought it might provoke a bit of mickey taking.
 

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Has some merrit, maybe some online raffles, maybe supporters of other clubs / codes would help out? by buying tickets
 
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