Game on NOW Thread

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Two different situations.

If the ball is kicked before it hits the ground, it has to have been kicked with intent but it doesn’t matter how it came out of the hands.

For it to be considered a drop kick, it has to have been dropped with intent to kick.

So…

Accidentally dropped ball that hits the ground is always a knock on.

Dropped ball that happens to hit his leg/foot before it hits the ground is a knock-on.

Dropped ball that the player intentionally kicks before it hits the grounds is play on (the example from Saturday).

This has been the rule since Jesus played halfback for Jerusalem. It was never changed.

Slater one hinges on whether you think he dropped it intentionally. I don’t think he did, and I reckon the NRL were covering their asses on that article. Easier to say Slater meant to drop it than that the bunker didn’t know the rules.

We were talking about drop kicks as far as I was concerned

 

[BurgoShark]

We were talking about drop kicks as far as I was concerned

Conversation started with a non drop-kick though didn't it?

Re: drop kicks, the answer is no. That has always been the rule.

 

[Sparkles]

They can't persist with Hutchinson either for mine

That's interesting mate. I was in and out of watching the game, was he not very good?

 

[Tiger Shark]

That's interesting mate. I was in and out of watching the game, was he not very good?

He honestly doesn't seem any better than Flanno Jr if you ask me. A good back up half/utility which he was at the Roosters but if he's starting you're in for some pain. Like the Titans and Boyd

 

[BurgoShark]

He honestly doesn't seem any better than Flanno Jr if you ask me. A good back up half/utility which he was at the Roosters but if he's starting you're in for some pain. Like the Titans and Boyd

I reckon Flanno Jnr was quite good on Saturday. Was similar to his games at 6 for the Sharks. Just needs to be able to play second fiddle. Talk a lot, kick a little bit, get the ball to the right blokes. Don't force anything.

 

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Conversation started with a non drop-kick though didn't it?

Re: drop kicks, the answer is no. That has always been the rule.

First post on it I think was egg asking if he drop kicked it or knocked on I think, so I was trying to clarify what the distinction would be

 

[Sparkles]

Picked a good moment to run, too. He's a pretty competent second fiddle

 

[BurgoShark]

First post on it I think was egg asking if he drop kicked it or knocked on I think, so I was trying to clarify what the distinction would be

Yeah - so that's the distinction.

Drop it on purpose and hits the ground = drop kick
Drop it by accident then kick it on purpose before it hits the ground = normal kick
Drop it by accident and it hits the ground = knock on
Drop it by accident and it hits your foot by accident = knock on

 

[Sevshark]

That's interesting mate. I was in and out of watching the game, was he not very good?

Ball stopped with him nearly every time he received it

 

[bort]

Yeah - so that's the distinction.

Drop it on purpose and hits the ground = drop kick
Drop it by accident then kick it on purpose before it hits the ground = normal kick
Drop it by accident and it hits the ground = knock on
Drop it by accident and it hits your foot by accident = knock on

I don't know why you've bolded that bit?
Are you implying egg may have believed he kicked it before it hit the ground but that it was still a drop kick?
I know what a normal kick is - it's still not what I was talking about

I was (seemingly correctly) explaining what the difference would be between a drop kick or a knock on for someone who appeared to be wondering what the ruling was.

 

[bort]

They can't persist with Hutchinson either for mine

Hutch was relatively poor - and I think for most a surprise selection.

I assume through preseason he added significantly more less visible qualities the coach rates (leadership, game plan delivery, etc)... and you'd think it'd have to be quite a bit more as they aren't anywhere near a 'win now' mode that would necessitate not backing the younger, high ceiling guy.

If you've committed to pick him though I'm inclined to stay you stick with him for a bit*, there must be a reason. We wouldn't be expecting to drop Trindall after a poor round 1.
Taaffe on the other hand may have only had round 1 jersey due to Tracey fitness.

*Ciraldo did love to chop and change halves last season so who knows

 

[BurgoShark]

I don't know why you've bolded that bit?
Are you implying egg may have believed he kicked it before it hit the ground but that it was still a drop kick?
I know what a normal kick is - it's still not what I was talking about

I was (seemingly correctly) explaining what the difference would be between a drop kick or a knock on for someone who appeared to be wondering what the ruling was.

Bolded that one because that's what happened in the incident egg was talking about.

... unless you guys were talking about a completely different incident

Main thing I was adding to the conversation was that the rule never changed. Has always been that way. Just doesn't happen often enough for it to be fresh in people's minds though, so whenever it pops up again as a bunker review some people will think it's a new rule.

 

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Bolded that one because that's what happened in the incident egg was talking about.

... unless you guys were talking about a completely different incident

Main thing I was adding to the conversation was that the rule never changed. Has always been that way. Just doesn't happen often enough for it to be fresh in people's minds though, so whenever it pops up people think it's something new.

I only asked if rule changed when you disagreed with me. You disagreed with me because you feel (and you certainly might be right) that it was just a normal kick, but I was always only answering eggs question about whether it was a drop kick or knock on by saying what the difference would be.

Drop kicks it ?
not knock on ?

Swung too late , hit ground knock on ?

and then later to Westie after he said he didn't think it hit the ground, to prove I know what a normal kick is...

Well that’s what I believe the rule is (hard to keep track of some of these small changes these days!) but having not seen it I can’t really comment much else. Seems like mixed opinions if it hit the ground or not, obviously if it was deemed it didn’t and he kicked it it’s fine.

 

[BurgoShark]

I only asked if rule changed when you disagreed with me. You disagreed with me because you feel (and you certainly might be right) that it was just a normal kick, but I was always only answering eggs question about whether it was a drop kick or knock on by saying what the difference would be.




and then later to Westie after he said he didn't think it hit the ground, to prove I know what a normal kick is...

I'm now more confused than when we started.

I wasn't following the conversation that far back. Misunderstood that it was a conversation about the ruling rather than the incident. All good.

So I disagree that we disagreed.

 

[egg]

I could add to this at the risk of MORE confusion.
Best Pass

 

[Sevshark]

Hutch was relatively poor - and I think for most a surprise selection.

I assume through preseason he added significantly more less visible qualities the coach rates (leadership, game plan delivery, etc)... and you'd think it'd have to be quite a bit more as they aren't anywhere near a 'win now' mode that would necessitate not backing the younger, high ceiling guy.

If you've committed to pick him though I'm inclined to stay you stick with him for a bit*, there must be a reason. We wouldn't be expecting to drop Trindall after a poor round 1.
Taaffe on the other hand may have only had round 1 jersey due to Tracey fitness.

*Ciraldo did love to chop and change halves last season so who knows

If he's out there for the bold I still feel he can give you those things playing centre.

I'd rather have sexton out there to build combos

 

[bort]

If he's out there for the bold I still feel he can give you those things playing centre.

I'd rather have sexton out there to build combos

from outside looking in I think everyone had Sexton in the 7

Not better than Crichton or Kiraz at centre and probably not Tracey, maybe not even fresh back Xerri so that makes the other plan tricky.

And so many utilities can’t even use hutch as 14

 

[Sevshark]

from outside looking in I think everyone had Sexton in the 7

Not better than Crichton or Kiraz at centre and probably not Tracey, maybe not even fresh back Xerri so that makes the other plan tricky.

And so many utilities can’t even use hutch as 14

Oh he's definitely not better but I'd rather give up a centre spot and shift Kiraz to wing if that's why hutch is in the team.

 

[Western Sharkie]

Ignoring the article, but check out the “no try” call video clip against the panthers (sorry, didn’t know how to post it by itself).

Bunker clearly says it was a defensive decision (and there are no other defends around) but pulls some BS ruling that Luai runs behind his players, catching the ball on the inside of that player (Luai is in clear space 5 m behind him BTW) which forces the defenders to jam in…….

WTF! I’m pissed at a decision like that for the panthers and would be ropable if that went against us!
the interpretation of the bunker in this is absolutely ****in crazy…..

‘This might sound crazy’: Cooper Cronk makes bold Jarome Luai grand final call

‘This might sound crazy’: Cronk’s bold Luai grand final call

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[BurgoShark]

Ignoring the article, but check out the “no try” call video clip against the panthers (sorry, didn’t know how to post it by itself).

Bunker clearly says it was a defensive decision (and there are no other defends around) but pulls some BS ruling that Luai runs behind his players, catching the ball on the inside of that player (Luai is in clear space 5 m behind him BTW) which forces the defenders to jam in…….

WTF! I’m pissed at a decision like that for the panthers and would be ropable if that went against us!
the interpretation of the bunker in this is absolutely ****in crazy…..

‘This might sound crazy’: Cooper Cronk makes bold Jarome Luai grand final call

‘This might sound crazy’: Cronk’s bold Luai grand final call

www.foxsports.com.au

Seeing it live I thought it was an obvious obstruction.

Even if you take Hughes out of it, McDonald was obstructed. If he is able to push across there it remains a 3 on 3.

Was McDonald going to get Luai? Probably not, but he deserves the opportunity. If Luai beats Hughes then straightens and makes a line break outside McDonald it is play on. He didn't do that though. He ran behind his own player and then made use of the advantage it gave him. If McDonald had taken 3 quick steps and ploughed into Lindsay Smith it wouldn't have even required the bunker.

100% the correct call for mine. Only reason fans are blowing up is because some obvious ones like this have been let go in the past.