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Hasn't been the same since those injuries/suspensions mid year or whatever whenever it was. Was in and out of the team and battling fitness

Tackle % fallen from typical mid/high 90% (Tolman tier) to somewhere in the 80% range (2021 Rudolf Tier) + handling errors crept into his game

I think his carries with the ball the last 2 games (finals) have actually been pretty good, maybe as good or better than even earlier in the year. He seems to have put his energy and intensity into that part of his game at least and perhaps his injury doesn't hamper him as much in that regard.

Was going to say something last week which might have been controversial but I don't think it would seem that controversial now, was kinda along the lines of I don't think Dale has been that amazing for us.

It's too early to be saying he is past it though or that 4 years is too long, he was good first half of season and was fairly typical Dale so I think it's fair to give him the benefit of the doubt and see how he comes back in 2023. He didn't just suddenly regress as a player or lose all that experience he has accumulated - more likely fitness/temporary form slump.

His leadership and passion is an asset and will be even more crucial with Fifs moving on and depending what happens with Wade. In his early 30's in theory he should be around his prime now as a forward.

A few weeks ago Dale was not playing (suspension IIRC) but he was still on the sidelines during our warmup barking instructions and encouragement. I love that sorta stuff from players.

Was it a mistake for Fitz to select him for the finals? That's speculative and hypothetical at this point.

Dale would be keen as guts to play and would do everything he could to convince Fitz he was good to go and for our coach it would be hard to leave out a player of Dales quality if he is available for selection, especially when we have ended up going down a forward or 2 from injury. Plus Dale is a tough bugger and their would be input, guidance and support from medical staff.

Play one of young forwards in his place, maybe they have a rough night at the office as well.

It wasn't quite at the level of picking Paul Gallen with one working knee and shoulder because there was no one else. Sometimes you roll the dice either way and it can work or not and as I already said Dales carries were actually strong IMO so it wasn't all bad.

I felt sorry for Dale missing that tackle, he is better than that. Don't get me wrong I was filthy he missed it and we expect that tackle to be made. It makes it look even worse when it happens up field and the ball carriers gets to streak away smiling all the way to your try line.
 

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As filthy as we are with him, you know he'll be even angrier at himself.
 

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Hasn't been the same since those injuries/suspensions mid year or whatever whenever it was. Was in and out of the team and battling fitness

Tackle % fallen from typical mid/high 90% (Tolman tier) to somewhere in the 80% range (2021 Rudolf Tier) + handling errors crept into his game

I think his carries with the ball the last 2 games (finals) have actually been pretty good, maybe as good or better than even earlier in the year. He seems to have put his energy and intensity into that part of his game at least and perhaps his injury doesn't hamper him as much in that regard.

Was going to say something last week which might have been controversial but I don't think it would seem that controversial now, was kinda along the lines of I don't think Dale has been that amazing for us.

It's too early to be saying he is past it though or that 4 years is too long, he was good first half of season and was fairly typical Dale so I think it's fair to give him the benefit of the doubt and see how he comes back in 2023. He didn't just suddenly regress as a player or lose all that experience he has accumulated - more likely fitness/temporary form slump.

His leadership and passion is an asset and will be even more crucial with Fifs moving on and depending what happens with Wade. In his early 30's in theory he should be around his prime now as a forward.

A few weeks ago Dale was not playing (suspension IIRC) but he was still on the sidelines during our warmup barking instructions and encouragement. I love that sorta stuff from players.

Was it a mistake for Fitz to select him for the finals? That's speculative and hypothetical at this point.

Dale would be keen as guts to play and would do everything he could to convince Fitz he was good to go and for our coach it would be hard to leave out a player of Dales quality if he is available for selection, especially when we have ended up going down a forward or 2 from injury. Plus Dale is a tough bugger and their would be input, guidance and support from medical staff.

Play one of young forwards in his place, maybe they have a rough night at the office as well.

It wasn't quite at the level of picking Paul Gallen with one working knee and shoulder because there was no one else. Sometimes you roll the dice either way and it can work or not and as I already said Dales carries were actually strong IMO so it wasn't all bad.

I felt sorry for Dale missing that tackle, he is better than that. Don't get me wrong I was filthy he missed it and we expect that tackle to be made. It makes it look even worse when it happens up field and the ball carriers gets to streak away smiling all the way to your try line.

I think if you can play Dale and he says to play him you play him.

We weren't in a position we could afford to rest blokes unfortunately.
Win that first round and Dale, Hunt and Talakai all hopefully would have been better for it, although Talakai probably needs a reco I assume.
 

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My only comment for Dale is I think actually we played him too long before a break. We did the week before as well. I think he should play 30 and then come off for a spell.
 

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My only comment for Dale is I think actually we played him too long before a break. We did the week before as well. I think he should play 30 and then come off for a spell.
We have played all our middle forwards to long every week, that’s the problem when u play Fifita, Hunt, Uele, Trindal, even Tolman or a 80 min backrower in Tieg or Wade.
Just not enough big min props in the squad.
Every game we had errors and missed tackles by our tired forwards by pushing their minutes to long.
Was one of Fitz biggest mistakes this year.
2023 will be a different story
 

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We have played all our middle forwards to long every week, that’s the problem when u play Fifita, Hunt, Uele, Trindal, even Tolman or a 80 min backrower in Tieg or Wade.
Just not enough big min props in the squad.
Every game we had errors and missed tackles by our tired forwards by pushing their minutes to long.
Was one of Fitz biggest mistakes this year.
2023 will be a different story
Def agree.
 

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We have played all our middle forwards to long every week, that’s the problem when u play Fifita, Hunt, Uele, Trindal, even Tolman or a 80 min backrower in Tieg or Wade.
Just not enough big min props in the squad.
Every game we had errors and missed tackles by our tired forwards by pushing their minutes to long.
Was one of Fitz biggest mistakes this year.
2023 will be a different story
Fifita didn't get on until after the break from memory so he only got 20. With break he'd have played a little more.
BHU could play a little more than 33, Tolman easily could have played more than 24 but lacks impact in offence.
Teig and Wade both could have played more than 39 and 46.
McInnes 47 which is fine but easily could play more especially if Dale isn't 100%

No reason for Dale to play 55 if not 100% and first stint of that was 48 so he played full first half but then came off quickly in second half.

Probably would have been better to get him off with 10 to go and give Fifita a run just before half time.
Instead we had a Tolman, McInnes, Dale middle just before halftime. No reason for Dale to be in prop there.
 
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I get he was probably injured, but I don't think he would be using that as an excuse. If you take the field you have to make that tackle on Murray. It was piss weak.

One of the reasons we were so excited about the combo of him/McInnes was the intensity, experience and fire that they would bring to the side, especially for big games. We saw very little of that over the two finals games. Many of our forwards regressed from their best periods of the season if anything.

Not pinning that just on Dale, just think that our coach/leadership team really missed the mark on getting the side up.
 

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I get he was probably injured, but I don't think he would be using that as an excuse. If you take the field you have to make that tackle on Murray. It was piss weak.

One of the reasons we were so excited about the combo of him/McInnes was the intensity, experience and fire that they would bring to the side, especially for big games. We saw very little of that over the two finals games. Many of our forwards regressed from their best periods of the season if anything.

Not pinning that just on Dale, just think that our coach/leadership team really missed the mark on getting the side up.
The Souths game wasn't the Dale we'd expect. Someone might have needed to tell him that there's tough and then there's liability. Feels a bit rough saying that as he was still all effort, but he looked to be hurting a lot more than was practical to deliver the full-Finucane
 

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I don't think it was the wrong call to select Dale - players are always battling varying degrees of injury or niggles week to week and I think everyone was surprised with some of his mistakes, perhaps including himself and his coach.

Fair argument to be made that he was given too many minutes under the circumstances and subbed off at the wrong time/s

We missed go forward from Hunt & Talakai as well and I started to wonder if Fifs was actually playing he was brought on so late

Giving Tolman cameo type minutes (relatively speaking for his big motor) is strange in a game where everyone except Aiden forgot how to tackle and some of our players were fatiguing after a big game against Cows week before which Aiden didn't play in.

Yes Aiden lacks impact with his carries but were our impact forwards really going to get the job done? we still only scored 2 trys anyway and we struggled with our go forward regardless.

We were down so many points it wouldn't have mattered what forwards we put out there it was going to be our halves and backs that needed to save the game and come up quickly with some big plays (which they did but a couple were disallowed)

Maybe someone like Tolman out there defending and tackling longer just might have meant there was a couple less points to chase as bunnies really piled it on late game - game likely done for us anyway though

I hope Fitz isn't the stubborn type when it comes to his bench selections / rotations and learns from this season and is open to making some changes to how he manages his bench particularly on the fly during a game when we are struggling or if an opportunity presents itself.

I get a coach goes into a game with a pre conceived idea or plan on how he will use his bench but you gotta be adaptable when things don't to go to plan - guess he trusted our systems and backed his players and game plan to turn the tide but none of that is gunna be enough to compensate for missed tackles and errors in the quantities we put up
 

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I get he was probably injured, but I don't think he would be using that as an excuse. If you take the field you have to make that tackle on Murray. It was piss weak.

One of the reasons we were so excited about the combo of him/McInnes was the intensity, experience and fire that they would bring to the side, especially for big games. We saw very little of that over the two finals games. Many of our forwards regressed from their best periods of the season if anything.

Not pinning that just on Dale, just think that our coach/leadership team really missed the mark on getting the side up.
If you watch the tackle watch how woeful Teigs effort is. Dale should have made it but Teig was no help
 

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Maybe someone like Tolman out there defending and tackling longer just might have meant there was a couple less points to chase as bunnies really piled it on late game - game likely done for us anyway though
It did feel like we needed more starch up front early on, and Tolman and Fifita would have provided it. Not exactly our starting squad but considering injuries probably the best choices on the day (with 20/20 hindsight).

Once the Souths forwards got on top of us... in the third minute... there was no reigning them back in.
 

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It did feel like we needed more starch up front early on, and Tolman and Fifita would have provided it. Not exactly our starting squad but considering injuries probably the best choices on the day (with 20/20 hindsight).

Once the Souths forwards got on top of us... in the third minute... there was no reigning them back in.
We could’ve had papali up there and we still would’ve dished the same result.

The gameplan wasn’t to go through the middle at all they were too busy trying to go side to side - pretty silly considering they had burgess out, Fitz lived and died by telling his halves play eyes up this year
 

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If you watch the tackle watch how woeful Teigs effort is. Dale should have made it but Teig was no help
I still have nightmares of Wade Graham and Kennedy “attempting” to tackle Dearden
 

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We could’ve had papali up there and we still would’ve dished the same result.

The gameplan wasn’t to go through the middle at all they were too busy trying to go side to side - pretty silly considering they had burgess out, Fitz lived and died by telling his halves play eyes up this year
I'd take my chances if we could get him!

You do see team try to go around when they can't go through them, and that's what we fell into. Miserably.
 

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I'd take my chances if we could get him!

You do see team try to go around when they can't go through them, and that's what we fell into. Miserably.
At the game you could see it from a Mile away, you would just watch Moylan and Kennedy float at the back and everyone knew here we go again .. South’s ate it up and we just wanted to keep showing how flashy we were
 

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At the game you could see it from a Mile away, you would just watch Moylan and Kennedy float at the back and everyone knew here we go again .. South’s ate it up and we just wanted to keep showing how flashy we were
Some of the ball movement and shapes we run are awesome, but we've definitely gotten more predictable
 
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