Official Cronulla Sharks Board + Management

[Mark^Bastard]

Or, with the information he would of had, but doesn't have now, he could of acted in the same way as the current board.

And if he didn't, it would have been negligent.

 

[Bundy Shark]

I can assure you that there is no way I would have acted as the Board did. Never. Other clubs such as Manly and Essendon have shown how to manage the ASADA inquiries. Our Board wilted and panicked at the first bit of pressure. All reports say that the Board wanted players to sign deeds of release to absolve them of any civil action. The Club and the players security should have been priority one.

To WillyinBris I simply did not nominate.


One matter I would like clarified (and once again you guys have the inside "mail") is whether Gow is behind the Unity ticket? I realise he came out with some press release a few weeks ago. However, is it confirmed that he has put it together? And the obvious question stemming from that is why is Gow behind the ticket and not at the front?

Hey Peter, thanks for putting yourself on here, I am not saying the board have done the right or wrong thing, imo the board have been brilliant with what they have achieved over the past few yrs, recently we or the board have probably made some decions or comments with hindisght they would like to change, my only question is how can you, me or anybody say they we wouldn't have made the same or similar decisons the board did?

At this point in time it looks like Manly & Essenden haven't acted or reacted as swiftly as we did but who knows what we are up against or what they are up against, thats sort of my point, none of us know unless we are the current board or boards, maybe the Sharks situation is more damming, I appreciate you are coming from a different angle but if you are or were on the board you would only be one voice anyway, you may have been outvoted your with your view.

There is more to play out with this saga, who knows, you may have been right all along, but unless you know the current situation you can only guess like the rest of us?

Cheers & good luck with the elections, I admire you for coming on & giving your views & opinion.

 

[fitz]

I can assure you that there is no way I would have acted as the Board did. Never.

I find it very difficult to comprehend anyone making such a sweeping statement without having access to all the information.

That's a bit like someone telling someone else how they would play a hand in poker without actually knowing what cards that person is holding.

One matter I would like clarified (and once again you guys have the inside "mail") is whether Gow is behind the Unity ticket? I realise he came out with some press release a few weeks ago. However, is it confirmed that he has put it together? And the obvious question stemming from that is why is Gow behind the ticket and not at the front?

Peter Gow has for many years put up a "Peter Gow's Recommended" ticket. In the August 2011 election, he put his support behind Dane Sorensen.

The "unity" ticket was assembled by De La Salle Vice President, Darren McConnell. Peter Gow has said that ticket has his backing. Whatever that really means, or it's actual worth is pretty debatable.

 

[Frenzy]

I can assure you that there is no way I would have acted as the Board did. Never. Other clubs such as Manly and Essendon have shown how to manage the ASADA inquiries. Our Board wilted and panicked at the first bit of pressure. All reports say that the Board wanted players to sign deeds of release to absolve them of any civil action. The Club and the players security should have been priority one.

To WillyinBris I simply did not nominate.


One matter I would like clarified (and once again you guys have the inside "mail") is whether Gow is behind the Unity ticket? I realise he came out with some press release a few weeks ago. However, is it confirmed that he has put it together? And the obvious question stemming from that is why is Gow behind the ticket and not at the front?

Oh dear.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

 

[Fitzy2513]

Oh dear.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

Frenzy remind me never to stand next to you in the trenches. I won't be surrendering.

 

[Frenzy]

That's fine Fitzy2513. I only want people with their eyes open next to me in the trenches anyway.

By the way, I have refrained from saying this but I'm going to now. You are doing Cobb no good with your chivalry. Can't he fight his own battles?

 

[WillyInBris]

Well I wish he was on the board during this last term. Then we all could have been comfortable in the fact that we had a legal mind in house to fight for our rights and not allow our club to be bent over and ****ed sideways.

Oh FFS Fitzy, Peter shown he has no information at all besides what's written in the papers he hasn't seen the report, only certain people have but yet says he would have acted differently?

Peter I am sorry, but you came on hear pointing fingers and you didn't need to do that all, all that you had to do was come on hear with your qualifications a bit about yourself and talk about how you thought you could help the club through these troubled times.

 

[Peter-Cobb]

Thanks Fitz for the Gow - De la explanation. The whole unity thing leaves me cold.

I have to take issue with you commenting "That's a bit like someone telling someone else how they would play a hand in poker without actually knowing what cards that person is holding." It is nothing anywhere near that.

Without having any more knowledge than what is read in the media. The starting point is that the Sharks are entitled to due process and natural justice. The Sharks are entitled to proceedings being carried out fairly and according to rules and principles, no bias and a fair hearing. I am at a loss to understand why the Board chose not to sit back and put the accusers (ASADA or whoever) to proof. This is a fundamental right to all of us. If a government agency (Police, ASADA or whoever) come with an allegation you are entitled to put them to proof.

The sensible thing would have been to remain silent on issues until faced with proof. And please don't say that telephone conversations and second hand hearsay about needles and equine stickers is proof. In any jurisidiction that could be defeated. I am talking actual evidence. Off the top of my head I could think of many matters I would want proof of starting with the drug allegations. Is there a certificate confirming what the drug was? These is a pretty basic undergraduate question that I have not heard an answer to yet. So it is not like not knowing someones hand at poker, not even remotely close.

Whilst ever we have people like Frenzy who crumble early we are in trouble. "Oh dear" alright.

 

[Shark]

Peter your statement about there being no way you would have taken the same action as the board is, in my view, supremely arrogant. You DON'T know what they do, none of us do, and until you do any such statement is downright foolhardy.

You are a lawyer, right?

You know that, in addition to Kavanagh & Redman, the board took advice from Alan Sullivan QC, don't you?


Honestly, your statements on this matter (the sackings and ASADA case) are becoming comical. Really, it's like the fictional Denis Denuto claiming he knows more about Constitutional Law than old Bud Tingwell's character.

I don't mean to insult or ridicule, but take a step back and have an objective look at it from a legal standpoint.

 

[Shark]

And ENOUGH with the 'natural justice' rubbish.

You don't need to have committed a criminal offence to be sacked from your job.

You don't need a great deal of proof if you're ASADA either. That's been made loud and clear in this case, as well as international cases. This presumption of innocence crap just does not apply in sports doping. It simply does not exist.

 

[fitz]

... Without having any more knowledge than what is read in the media ...

Peter, you've put your hand up to run for a position on the Sharks Board.

I respect that.

In saying that though, I still remain deeply concerned that you're getting your information from agenda-driven media and not doing some basic personal investigative research.

If I was running, my FIRST priority would be to go to the source, have a look at current and historical financial statements, look at revenue projections, current business and management strategies, get an understanding of the organisation's business model and corporate structure, get an understanding of the organisation's constitutions, governance and compliance obligations, etc.,

This is precisely why I'm suggesting that you make contact with Craig Douglas.


Anyway... I'm off to the footy... Up Up Cronulla!!!

 

[Frenzy]

Thanks Fitz for the Gow - De la explanation. The whole unity thing leaves me cold.

I have to take issue with you commenting "That's a bit like someone telling someone else how they would play a hand in poker without actually knowing what cards that person is holding." It is nothing anywhere near that.

Without having any more knowledge than what is read in the media. The starting point is that the Sharks are entitled to due process and natural justice. The Sharks are entitled to proceedings being carried out fairly and according to rules and principles, no bias and a fair hearing. I am at a loss to understand why the Board chose not to sit back and put the accusers (ASADA or whoever) to proof. This is a fundamental right to all of us. If a government agency (Police, ASADA or whoever) come with an allegation you are entitled to put them to proof.

The sensible thing would have been to remain silent on issues until faced with proof. And please don't say that telephone conversations and second hand hearsay about needles and equine stickers is proof. In any jurisidiction that could be defeated. I am talking actual evidence. Off the top of my head I could think of many matters I would want proof of starting with the drug allegations. Is there a certificate confirming what the drug was? These is a pretty basic undergraduate question that I have not heard an answer to yet. So it is not like not knowing someones hand at poker, not even remotely close.

Whilst ever we have people like Frenzy who crumble early we are in trouble. "Oh dear" alright.

Is this where I take a bait and bite?

 

[Garbs]

Oh ffs Peter, can't you just move on? We get it, you're peeved about the board and seek to right what you perceive are injustices.

If you're here to convince people to vote for you to right those injustices, you've failed in flaming, spectacular fashion.

 

[Fitzy2513]

That's fine Fitzy2513. I only want people with their eyes open next to me in the trenches anyway.

By the way, I have refrained from saying this but I'm going to now. You are doing Cobb no good with your chivalry. Can't he fight his own battles?

Frenzy,
I lurked around the LU forum for a number of years. Finally joining up when Quiqs pulled out the unmerged shirts. I know Peter
Cobb and have declared this. Personally i find it disturbing and questionable that those entrusted to run the club would recommend an inducement of signing a waiver of ciivil action and an acceptance of a 6 months penalty be given. not to be in the best interest of those they are elected to govern over.

Over to LU, which one of us is the most upstanding, Frenzy who continually calls Damian Irvine Elmer on LU and comes on SF as a sheep and in agreeance with those he bags, or myself who says it as I see it.

No Frenzy. I don't think I'm doing Peter Cobb any harm.

 

[ben]

No hate to Irivne but Unity or Peter will be getting my vote before Irvine and Douglas.

Also what agenda has the media got? To push Unity? Is that it? Whats so bad about Unity? They may be the change the club needs to get out of the **** they are in now. As it was the change the club needed before when Irvine got us out of the ****.

They seem like extremely well qualified humans. Keogh seems like a great man to lead the club.

Am I allowed to say these things? Someone removed my last post that said exactly the same thing.

 

[Garbs]

They seem like extremely well qualified humans. Keogh seems like a great man to lead the club.

Well he won't be leading the club one way or another. Glenn Coleman is unopposed as chairman because Keogh isn't eligible.

 

[Fitzy2513]

No hate to Irivne but Unity or Peter will be getting my vote before Irvine and Douglas.

Also what agenda has the media got? To push Unity? Is that it? Whats so bad about Unity? They may be the change the club needs to get out of the **** they are in now. As it was the change the club needed before when Irvine got us out of the ****.

They seem like extremely well qualified humans. Keogh seems like a great man to lead the club.


Am I allowed to say these things? Someone removed my last post that said exactly the same thing.

Ben there is a thing, sort of like Common Law, called the 'man on the street' test. That is exactly what you and i are referred as. What a reasonable or prudent person would think. Keep it up as the majority are in agreeance with you.

 

[Garbs]

Ben there is a thing, sort of like Common Law, called the 'man on the street' test. That is exactly what you and i are referred as. What a reasonable or prudent person would think. Keep it up as the majority are in agreeance with you.

Doesn't matter what the man on the street thinks. It only matters what members who bother to turn up and vote think.

 

[Fitzy2513]

Doesn't matter what the man on the street thinks. It only matters what members who bother to turn up and vote think.

Yes Garbs you are right. So make a difference

 

[Garbs]

Yes Garbs you are right. So make a difference

I will be. But Cobb isn't any part of those plans.