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So what would be a successful year this year for Fitz? Obviously we all want a premiership but realistically:

1. Make the finals and be competitive

2. Have a core group of players that Fitz can base his future team around that has bought into his work ethic and culture

3. Have a manageable salary cap that gives Fitz room to operate over the next few years
 

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My expectations were 5th to 8th this year so as far as I’m concerned Fitz is still exceeding expectations. Very please with him.
 

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So what would be a successful year this year for Fitz? Obviously we all want a premiership but realistically:

1. Make the finals and be competitive

2. Have a core group of players that Fitz can base his future team around that has bought into his work ethic and culture

3. Have a manageable salary cap that gives Fitz room to operate over the next few years
I think Fitz also has to continue to show the same ruthless streak which saw him tap SJ, Dugan, Woods etc on the shoulder at end of last yr.
Imo were still 4-5 players off a premiership (but dont bite my head off - just my opinion).
Including a prop, right sided 2nd rower, 5/8.

And for me that starts with tapping bif money players like Wade & Fifita on the shoulder this season, plus letting likes of Nikora, Williams & Hiroti go as well

Im also still not sure on Hanney - even as an assistant.
Think.we need to continually strive for improvement off the field - and if we cant get Ciraldo id be targeting Adam O'Brian once he get the inevitable flick from Newcastle. Been assistant at both Chooks and Storm - and some coaches make better assistants than head coaches. (Pricey being a great example).
 

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I think Fitz also has to continue to show the same ruthless streak which saw him tap SJ, Dugan, Woods etc on the shoulder at end of last yr.
Imo were still 4-5 players off a premiership (but dont bite my head off - just my opinion).
Including a prop, right sided 2nd rower, 5/8.

And for me that starts with tapping bif money players like Wade & Fifita on the shoulder this season, plus letting likes of Nikora, Williams & Hiroti go as well

Im also still not sure on Hanney - even as an assistant.
Think.we need to continually strive for improvement off the field - and if we cant get Ciraldo id be targeting Adam O'Brian once he get the inevitable flick from Newcastle. Been assistant at both Chooks and Storm - and some coaches make better assistants than head coaches. (Pricey being a great example).

No headbiting, just extending the conversation, what I say doesn't make anything you say wrong it's just my thoughts

I don't know if we are 4 or 5 off unless you are considering that players we already have look like they could come up to that level.
I think they can. If you put 5 better players into our first choice 17 that would be fantastic but I'm not sure that would be an affordable option.

BHU Rudolf Hunt Tolman Williams Finucane is a very solid front row basis. Even allowing for say Williams and Tolman to leave too there is a very good core there, with a few having growth in them still.

2nd row is definitely a question at the moment. I think Teig and Nikora is about the bare minimum of what we want there, an upgrade on Nikora would be nice. If you had Teig and Nikora ideally that would mean you had some money to upgrade...

...Moylan. He is only good enough if he is a Chad... ie cheap enough that our strength in other areas makes up for it. With our current team makeup 5/8 is def a position that we should be looking at improving (such limited kicking and injury concern still issues for me) but I also think no point chasing him off just in case Trindall does better, or some other random pleb does better.
Fitz will know if he thinks Trindall can do better or not. Obviously I'm open to go the pleb route if Moylans contract is looking like being too much but they need to either be a placeholder until we can get who we want or someone we really like the potential of.

I think our back 5 is heading towards being good enough, our middle is heading towards being good enough, our halves are good enough (provided Moylan at right price).

I know it is fun to pick on Hiroti but singling him out as someone who needs to leave seems like it's probably not going to be very impactful. I can't imagine he is on much if anything above minimum wage. There are perhaps some youngins like Dykes, Lualua, Iro who can come into his spot in the 30 and be adequate winger 5, centre 4s but they are going to be approx same price and like Hiroti the hope is not to play them.
If you think one of those guys or some other min wager can fill the squad spot better then no worries, just I don't think he really fits in with the needs a tap on the shoulder like Dugan, SJ, Woods comment.

Which leads me onto my next point... most premierships come with some injury luck too. Look how well cowboys are going. They have one injury currently (Dunn). Panthers are a powerhouse regardless but they have To'o due back next week and Leoto the week after as their only injuries. Certainly helping both teams do well.
 

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No headbiting, just extending the conversation, what I say doesn't make anything you say wrong it's just my thoughts

I don't know if we are 4 or 5 off unless you are considering that players we already have look like they could come up to that level.
I think they can. If you put 5 better players into our first choice 17 that would be fantastic but I'm not sure that would be an affordable option.

BHU Rudolf Hunt Tolman Williams Finucane is a very solid front row basis. Even allowing for say Williams and Tolman to leave too there is a very good core there, with a few having growth in them still.

2nd row is definitely a question at the moment. I think Teig and Nikora is about the bare minimum of what we want there, an upgrade on Nikora would be nice. If you had Teig and Nikora ideally that would mean you had some money to upgrade...

...Moylan. He is only good enough if he is a Chad... ie cheap enough that our strength in other areas makes up for it. With our current team makeup 5/8 is def a position that we should be looking at improving (such limited kicking and injury concern still issues for me) but I also think no point chasing him off just in case Trindall does better, or some other random pleb does better.
Fitz will know if he thinks Trindall can do better or not. Obviously I'm open to go the pleb route if Moylans contract is looking like being too much but they need to either be a placeholder until we can get who we want or someone we really like the potential of.

I think our back 5 is heading towards being good enough, our middle is heading towards being good enough, our halves are good enough (provided Moylan at right price).

I know it is fun to pick on Hiroti but singling him out as someone who needs to leave seems like it's probably not going to be very impactful. I can't imagine he is on much if anything above minimum wage. There are perhaps some youngins like Dykes, Lualua, Iro who can come into his spot in the 30 and be adequate winger 5, centre 4s but they are going to be approx same price and like Hiroti the hope is not to play them.
If you think one of those guys or some other min wager can fill the squad spot better then no worries, just I don't think he really fits in with the needs a tap on the shoulder like Dugan, SJ, Woods comment.

Which leads me onto my next point... most premierships come with some injury luck too. Look how well cowboys are going. They have one injury currently (Dunn). Panthers are a powerhouse regardless but they have To'o due back next week and Leoto the week after as their only injuries. Certainly helping both teams do well.
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But what im saying is that additions like Vaughan, Drinkwater and Matto to replace Fifita (im consideing Kafusi as a replacent for Williams), Moylan and Wade/Nikora takes us one step closer to a premiership imo as theyre all upgrades on what we'd lose.

But i think we also need a strike centre and winger.

Talakai has been great for a few weeks out wide and something which weve all enjoyed seeing, but i still see him having that impact as an edge backrower and think that a shift back into the pack will benefit us more in the long run.
Im also not sold on Muliatlo ( and i know im gonna get panned for this). Yes i love his passion, BUT hes suspect under the high ball and makes horrendous defensive reads on a weekly basis and feel he'll cost us big games
 

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But what im saying is that additions like Vaughan, Drinkwater and Matto to replace Fifita (im consideing Kafusi as a replacent for Williams), Moylan and Wade/Nikora takes us one step closer to a premiership imo as theyre all upgrades on what we'd lose.

But i think we also need a strike centre and winger.

Talakai has been great for a few weeks out wide and something which weve all enjoyed seeing, but i still see him having that impact as an edge backrower and think that a shift back into the pack will benefit us more in the long run.
Im also not sold on Muliatlo ( and i know im gonna get panned for this). Yes i love his passion, BUT hes suspect under the high ball and makes horrendous defensive reads on a weekly basis and feel he'll cost us big games
Those would be three great signings and improve us significantly.

I think our current wings and centres are good enough, obviously upgrading them would be great but I think it's really stretching the budget to upgrade them. IMO it's probably not possible but obviously that's just an assumption.

I don't think Ronnie is notably suspect (not the safest but not a liability) and I think still has some development in him.

Talakai is obviously a fair debate what his best use is, personally I am keen to keep him at centre a while longer, I think he can be a top strike centre if he keeps applying himself.
 
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So what would be a successful year this year for Fitz? Obviously we all want a premiership but realistically:

1. Make the finals and be competitive

2. Have a core group of players that Fitz can base his future team around that has bought into his work ethic and culture

3. Have a manageable salary cap that gives Fitz room to operate over the next few years
All of the above
Finals footy would be one expected achievement given that we narrowly missed out on F&A last season and have a better team.
Top 4 is over achieving IMO
Premiership is I will rename my first born (now 18) to Fitz!
 

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I think Fitz also has to continue to show the same ruthless streak which saw him tap SJ, Dugan, Woods etc on the shoulder at end of last yr.
Imo were still 4-5 players off a premiership (but dont bite my head off - just my opinion).
Including a prop, right sided 2nd rower, 5/8.

And for me that starts with tapping bif money players like Wade & Fifita on the shoulder this season, plus letting likes of Nikora, Williams & Hiroti go as well

Im also still not sure on Hanney - even as an assistant.
Think.we need to continually strive for improvement off the field - and if we cant get Ciraldo id be targeting Adam O'Brian once he get the inevitable flick from Newcastle. Been assistant at both Chooks and Storm - and some coaches make better assistants than head coaches. (Pricey being a great example).
No player should feel safe. My only defence of Wade has been that he is given the chance to show if he can come back to good form). We will know by the end of the year.

I feel Moylan is doing his best to impress which so far in my opinion has worked with the current team. Whether that is good enough or not Fitz will be the final judge. That's not to saying there isn't someone better out there.

I think if we keep improving and develop a strong culture players will want to come play for us whi h can only be a good thing.
All of the above
Finals footy would be one expected achievement given that we narrowly missed out on F&A last season and have a better team.
Top 4 is over achieving IMO
Premiership is I will rename my first born (now 18) to Fitz!
There would be a lot of babies named Fitz come July 2024!
 

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So what would be a successful year this year for Fitz? Obviously we all want a premiership but realistically:

1. Make the finals and be competitive

2. Have a core group of players that Fitz can base his future team around that has bought into his work ethic and culture

3. Have a manageable salary cap that gives Fitz room to operate over the next few years
I think within the top 4 is very achievable.. anything less would be a fail tbh.

Roosters and Eels we should be able to beat
 

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I think within the top 4 is very achievable.. anything less would be a fail tbh.

Roosters and Eels we should be able to beat
Geez mate your an optimist, as someone else just said, we possibly 3/4 players away from really pressing up. Fail, imho would be 9th.
 

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Geez mate your an optimist, as someone else just said, we possibly 3/4 players away from really pressing up. Fail, imho would be 9th.
I said 3/4 player from a premiership
No one remembers who finished 4th ever
 

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Geez mate your an optimist, as someone else just said, we possibly 3/4 players away from really pressing up. Fail, imho would be 9th.
Probably. The talk is how we want to be a top tier club and if were deadset, 4th isn’t impossible.
If we come 8th that means we’ve most likely lost to too many teams we shouldn’t have - There aren’t many teams to lose to the way I see it, considering injuries aren’t too crazy we have enough talent in the squad to be in the top 4.
 
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Probably. The talk is how we want to be a top tier club and if were deadset, 4th isn’t impossible.
If we come 8th that means we’ve most likely lost to too many teams we shouldn’t have - There aren’t many teams to lose to the way I see it, considering injuries aren’t too crazy we have enough talent in the squad to be in the top 4.
Agreed.
Initially I was thinking 6-8 but now think should really be somewhere between 3rd and 5th based on the start of the season*

*(Disclaimer, provided we aren’t savaged by injuries).
 

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Probably. The talk is how we want to be a top tier club and if were deadset, 4th isn’t impossible.
If we come 8th that means we’ve most likely lost to too many teams we shouldn’t have - There aren’t many teams to lose to the way I see it, considering injuries aren’t too crazy we have enough talent in the squad to be in the top 4.
Yep. Are the Roosters, Parra, Souths, Manly or Cows better than us? Not really.
 
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So what would be a successful year this year for Fitz? Obviously we all want a premiership but realistically:

1. Make the finals and be competitive

2. Have a core group of players that Fitz can base his future team around that has bought into his work ethic and culture

3. Have a manageable salary cap that gives Fitz room to operate over the next few years
You’d have to say no worse than top 6, considering Morris got us to the bottom of the 8 for the previous two seasons (not including least season as he only coached a 1/4 of the season before he & club parted ways)
He has a full cap to work with
He has a better squad than previous years
He has had influence or was able to bring in some key players he wanted
Players that were blooded in Morris tenure are now more experienced & would have or close to 50 games in FG
 

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This is why it’s fail if we don’t crack the top 4 because that means we’ve most likely lost to those sorts of teams
As have all the teams vying for the top 4 though except the obvious two. It's very open and we have as good a chance as anyone.
 
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