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I hear ya Iron Shark.

I also listen to Talkin' Sport quite often. I don’t mind the show but they do have a bit of a Super League type agenda on there (Graham Hughes in particular). They are constantly talking about the expansion of Rugby League and how the Super League war was a missed opportunity to further cull Sydney teams. Although I have noticed that Graham Hughes has been a bit less vocal on the subject since we threw his nephew Corey a lifeline.

We have generally become the answer to South Sydney's re-admittance into the NRL. We are now the obvious whipping boys after it became fashionable to be a South’s fan.

I feel that there has been a concerted bias against us for sometime. We get very little television exposure even when we are winning. It’s hard to gain a foothold in the market place when you don’t have the exposure of your competitors.

I think it would be best for us if the Independent commission stalled for a bit. I'd like us to be much stronger heading into a period like this. We need time to get our **** together after years of mismanagement.

I guess that would mean there is a chance of a sharks/steelers/that other lot merger?

I'd rather die than merge with "that other lot"
 
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Another great thread by my man fitz

Don't want to get all precious about it or anything but I had already put up the news of this here.

Iron... I'm not parochial about this thread either - if you had put it up then maybe Mark^Bastard might have had you in his sights rather than me. here

Be careful about what you wish for!!!
 

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they seem to be ignorant that killing clubs would actually ruin the NRL rather then improve it, kill sydney team = piss of many fans = other sports [except for AFL they can get fecked] will gain from many annoyed ex league fans]

in order for the NRL to succeed, sydney teams need to be kept alive
 

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they seem to be ignorant that killing clubs would actually ruin the NRL rather then improve it, kill sydney team = piss of many fans = other sports [except for AFL they can get fecked] will gain from many annoyed ex league fans]

in order for the NRL to succeed, sydney teams need to be kept alive

You don't get it do you? It's not about fans, or clubs or even players. It's now all about TV ratings and how much they are worth. Ratings in Sydeny for League are pretty much a given, so the only way to achieve bigger rating nationally is too expand into other areas. Therefore, we are seen as no real loss. We don't rate on TV so no-one cares.

The only reason the NRL GF rated higher nationally than the AFL GF this year is because the "perfect" conditions existed for it. Melbourne were in the NRL final, attracting Victorian viewers who normally wouldn't give a toss, whilst the AFL featured two Melbourne teams. This meant that WA and SA rating were lower than normal. Wait and see what the ratings are like when the Storm aren't in the GF. Then you'll get a true representation of how NRL rates in Victoria.
 

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Stuart's independent commission

A man's mission to unite NRLHerald SunIt's an image at odds with the burly forward who carted the pill up for Gold Coast during their first NRL incarnation in the late 1980s. ...

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A man's mission to unite NRL
By Ben English
October 10, 2009 12:00AM

MICHAEL Searle is sipping Earl Grey tea as he gazes through square-rimmed designer glasses across Sydney Harbour and beyond.

We're sitting in the executive club suite of the Sheraton on the Park. Here, 21 floors up, horns blasting from CBD traffic snarls are reduced to a faraway murmur.

It's an image at odds with the burly forward who carted the pill up for Gold Coast during their first NRL incarnation in the late 1980s.

It's also at odds with the no-nonsense chief executive who butted heads with David Gallop until he got his way in 2005, realising a six-year dream to get the Coast back into the comp. And it's certainly at odds with the man charged with perhaps the toughest diplomatic mission since Cain and Abel parted ways - unifying rugby league under one, truly independent governing body.

But, as the front-rower said to the actress, looks can be deceiving.

Beneath the serene exterior purrs an engine that would rival any of the V8s zooming round Mt Panorama this weekend.

How else could Michael Searle command a thriving accountancy firm, head an international talent management group that boasts some of the world's top surfers, run an

NRL franchise and be responsible for setting up the Indigenous-All Stars game next year? Oh, and there's that small matter of brokering a commission to take over the running of the game.

He may not just be the hardest worker in rugby league, Michael Searle could be the hardest working man in Australia. "I'm an 18-hour-a-day guy," he admits. "But I don't have any difficulty bouncing out of bed on a Monday. I really am living the dream. I was raised a Catholic but if I believed in reincarnation, I'd say

I must have had a really, really crappy life last time around because I've been blessed this time."

Searle can be found at his desk at Titans Marine Parade headquarters in Southport from 5am. The other night he text messaged a colleague at 11.41pm. He is Mr Perpetual Motion of rugby league administration.

Yet today he estimates eight of every 10 waking minutes is spent working on the proposed independent commission.

It's an obsession borne out of not just a love for the game, but a profound knowledge of where he'd be without it. "I owe everything to rugby league," he says. "It gave my grandfather an opportunity after the second world war, it gave my father a career and our family an existence on the Gold Coast that we would never have had if it wasn't for rugby league.

"The only reason that my dad moved from Tamworth and my mum from Werris Creek to the Gold Coast was because that's where he played his football. It's given me an opportunity to get a degree and it's given my children a life they would never have expected.

"So I will dedicate my life to the game for no other reason than the game has been good to me."

From the viewpoint of a boy who grew up in the fast-buck days of the Surfers Paradise white-shoe brigade - those shady property developers that cast a pall over the strip for decades - the game has also been good to his community. "Getting the Titans into the NRL has just unified the city behind a cause," he explains.

"The Gold Coast has always been accused of being soulless. But now it seems to have almost created a level of passion among the kids and that's all anyone cares about. When I was a kid you were almost looked down upon being from the Gold Coast.

"You were almost second class. Now the kids are proud of their city - there's a sense of ownership and community." But one community's league love affair is not enough for Searle. His mission knows no geographic bounds.

He may have been raised a Catholic, but he is spreading the good word of the league with the evangelistic zeal of a missionary man.

Which might just explain how the notion of an independent commission taking over the game from those uneasy bed partners, the Australian Rugby League and News Limited, publisher of The Daily Telegraph, went from dead in the water to an imminent possibility in the space of 17 months.

It was Searle who, in May 2008, assembled fellow NRL CEOs Bruno Cullen (Broncos), Denis Fitzgerald (formerly Eels), Shane Richardson (Rabbitohs), Brian Waldren (Storm), Steve Burraston (Knights) and Tony Zappia (formerly Sharks) for the first meeting to discuss a unified force for league. Fittingly, they met at the game's spiritual home, the SCG.

It was a delicate summit. Two of those present (Waldren and Cullen) ran clubs owned by News Limited so any talk of shifting ownership of the game away from its 50 per cent partners was avoided.

"Any discussions around the shifting of equity was never openly discussed in a group format because it would have made everyone uncomfortable," Searle recalls.

"So the equity being shifted to a non-profit entity probably came out of a sub-unit of that because the original concept was about restructuring the branding, and the equity shift came out of what we would be aiming for if we were to move forward for the next 100 years."

That first meeting went all day and into the night. There have been 15 in Sydney since and one on the Gold Coast. They last for three to six hours.

Searle has gathered powerful allies, including Harvey Norman's Katie Page, former Qantas chairman Gary Pemberton and Sydney Roosters chairman Nick Politis.

Politis, one of league's true powerbrokers, helped ensure crucial figures such as Nine Network chief executive David Gyngell got on board. But Searle is adamant a far more potent force has driven the mood for change: the fans.

"Everywhere I go people ask me, 'When are we going to get it?' It's one of the few things I have seen come up in the game where it hasn't been howled down.

"I think people see there is a real benefit to this new structure and everyone wants to see the game do better."

NRL's well documented off-field troubles this year have only galvanised the mood for reform, says Searle. "I think what (the off-field scandals) did was solidify a lot of fans who said, 'You know, this is part of my fabric ... I did grow up in a rugby league suburb, town or city, I love the game'. I had a discussion with Wayne Bennett the other day. He said, 'I always knew how much Queenslanders love their league, but I never realised the passion down here, they really love it in Sydney'.

"Often when things are bleak and you have dark days, people sit up and say, 'I'd hate to see my game die'.

"You almost have to lose something before you appreciate how valuable it is to you."

Searle has felt that, like when David Gallop rang him on August 16, 2004, to tell him the NRL was rejecting the Gold Coast's reinclusion proposal, that the money would instead be spent on junior development officers.

Searle told the game's chief, "That's fine Dave, that's your choice, but you can stick your development officer and your witch's hat right up your arse."

Nine months later, the Gold Coast were back in the NRL. "When I'm passionate about something, I go hard for it," he says. "I think I've had to substitute hard work because I'm not the most intellectual person in the world - hard work has been the only way I got anywhere."

That work appears ready to deliver Searle his most significant payoff yet: the game he loves being truly unified.
 

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of course its about the fans, who do think watches the footy on TV? marvan the martian?

It's not that hard too understand, really. Sydney is a League town. If you are a League fan, you will watch whatever game is on the TV, regardless of who is playing. Are you telling me you don't watch any games that don't involve the Sharks? Basically, TV ratings in Sydney for League are at saturation point. The only way the League can achieve higher ratings, nationally, is to move into new markets. The Central Coast is a prime target. It is a massive area with a population equivalent to Tasmania. People there follow League, but don't have their own team. Therefore, more people would be attracted to the game if they had their own team. This is exactly what has happened with Gold Coast and Nth Queensland.

The League figure that they will lose only a minimal number of fans from the TV ratings by dumping or relocating a Sydney team. After all, many people on this very website admitted they would still follow league if the Sharks went under (I am not one of them). So a few thousand less people in Sydney (at the most) aren't watching League on TV - but tens of thousands more are watching it in new areas of NSW and/or QLD.

You getting it yet?:confused:
 

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Yes very interesting. Seems like the Sharks are heading in the right direction by bringing in younger players who don't cost as much. We need to get our house in order and get some money coming in the door. Any Sharks fan who knows what is going on knows we need to start paying our own way and fast. So what if the NRL wants us out all we can do is make it very difficult for them. If we don't do what we currently are trying to do we are in deep trouble.
We don't need a team of superstars to be competitive we need a committed team full of hard working players. Look at our team in the mid 90's full of local juniors with a couple of hard heads. We took on the best of the NRL at the time and nearly got over them. Look at the Broncos this year. You need more then just a team full of superstars. You need a bunch of blokes keen to play for each other, the team, the fans and their coach. If you have that you can do wonders.
Get a team people want to watch and see what happens.
 

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Independent Commission

Warnie wants tee-time with TigerDaily TelegraphHe will also stick with his right-hand man next year, Cronulla's assistant coach Shane Flanagan. WE keep hearing that the formation of the NRL commission ...

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Warnie wants tee-time with Tiger

By Rebecca Wilson and David Riccio
November 08, 2009 12:01AM

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WE keep hearing that the formation of the NRL commission has several major roadblocks. While most like to think that News Ltd and the ARL are the major hurdles to an independent commission, we can reveal the major stumbling block is Queensland Rugby League boss Ross Livermore. Sources close to Titans chief Michael Searle, who has been charged with trying to bring the two sides together, say Livermore is the major hindrance because of his refusal to give up control of the State of Origin series. Livermore's QRL is sitting on a small fortune thanks to Origin. We are told Livermore has made it very clear to Searle that he won't relinquish control, or the profits, under any new regime.
 

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Fans get their game back

Fans get their game backDaily TelegraphCurrently, all profits from the NRL are divided between the Australian Rugby League and News Ltd. News Ltd spends its share on bank-rolling the Storm - the ...

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Fans get their game back
By Phil Rothfield
November 28, 2009 5:50PM

THE game of rugby league is on the verge of being handed back to the people with the long-awaited independent commission just weeks away from becoming a reality.

In the most stunning administration shake-up since Super League, News Ltd and the Australian Rugby League are putting the finishing touches to an agreement that will see independence day arrive before the March kick-off of the 2010 season.

"It could be sorted by Christmas - if not before the start of next season," said a prominent official who has been involved in months of negotiations to deliver a watershed moment in the code's history.

The Sunday Telegraph has learned a series of high-powered meetings has resolved the major sticking points and lawyers for both parties are now nutting out the finer details.

As part of establishing the commission, those details are:

Melbourne Storm is likely to be sold to a consortium for just $1 in a paperwork transaction that allows News Ltd to leave the game;

David Gallop will remain as CEO for three to five years;

ARL supremo Colin Love will be the inaugural chairman for two years;

The 16 NRL clubs will have an equal share in all profits after grants are paid to the respective leagues to look after the grass roots, and;

Two new clubs will be added by 2013 to increase bargaining power when the commission negotiates the next television deal.

The key to any agreement has been the future of the Melbourne Storm and the reluctance of the Queensland Rugby League and the NSW Rugby League to come on board.

The Melbourne Storm sale

CEO Brian Waldron has been told by News Ltd to pull together a consortium to buy the club. He has approached several investors in recent weeks and it is believed he already has Gerry Ryan, the founder and managing director of Jayco Caravans, on board.

Former Super League boss and former Melbourne CEO John Ribot is also believed to be part of the consortium. However, the Storm have been told to keep his name away from the media because he is still regarded as damaged goods from the Super League war.

Waldron's problem is finding investors prepared to put around $25 million into a business that has been losing around $6 million a year. To make the sale viable, News Ltd will use an exit payment of up to $20 million which it will then drip-feed back into the club and the new owners.

Melbourne Storm's future must be secured because senior officials know the value the club provides in television negotiations in a national competition.

The NSWRL and QRL dilemma

The key negotiators are still waiting for final sign-off from the state bodies but are confident of getting their support, even if it means using fear tactics.The NSWRL and QRL will be told that the clubs are so determined to have the independent commission that they are prepared to go it alone if no agreement is reached.

"The clubs would quit the NSWRL," an insider told us. "It's as simple as that. They would form their own body and work under the new commission."

Who will own the game?

The 16 clubs will hold an equal share. Currently, all profits from the NRL are divided between the Australian Rugby League and News Ltd. News Ltd spends its share on bank-rolling the Storm - the Australian Rugby League uses its money to run the game and develop it at the grass-roots level.

The new independent commission will be set up as a non-profit trust with each of the 16 clubs getting an equal share after grants to the NSWRL, QRL and CRL.

Who will be on the commission and what role will they play in running the game?

Earlier plans to appoint former Prime Minister John Howard as inaugural chairman have been abandoned. Instead, Australian Rugby League supremo Colin Love will get the job for the first two years.Love's appointment does not have overwhelming support from News Ltd or from the clubs.

However, significant concessions are being made on both sides to get the deal over the line before the start of next year's premiership.

The Sunday Telegraph understands three of Australia's top business leaders - Katie Page, Gary Pemberton and Geoff Dixon - have agreed to sit on the commission.Others, including the likes of banking heavyweight Mark Bouris, will be approached to form an eight-man board.

What does this mean for David Gallop?

Senior officials have told Gallop he will remain as chief executive and will be offered a contract for between three and five years.Instead of reporting to two NRL boards, as he does under the current administration, he will report to the commissioners and be responsible for the day-to-day running of the game.

What are the key areas for the new commission?

A new television deal and the expansion of the game will be top priorities. The current deal with Channel Nine and Fox Sports expires at the end of 2012 and many believe the last contract was undersold. The AFL has already started negotiations with all free-to-air networks and rugby league will be left behind unless talks get underway soon for the next deal.

Channel Seven boss David Leckie has confirmed his network will be challenging Channel Nine for the rights but is waiting for News Ltd's exit before he enters into serious discussions. Two new clubs - possibly from the Central Coast and a second team in Brisbane - will be added to the premiership by 2013. This will provide an extra game and extra television programming.

The rights could be divided among two free-to-air networks and Fox Sports to maximise revenue, like Ten and Seven sharing AFL broadcasts. State of Origin and representative football will be sold separately. The new deal could be worth as much as $1 billion.

How the commission deal was done


Roosters supremo Nick Politis and Gold Coast managing director Michael Searle have been the key players - Searle in a very public way, Politis on the quiet, regularly meeting with News Ltd executives over the past 12 months.

Significant progress was made at a meeting last week between Politis, Searle and New Ltd's chief operating officer Peter Macourt about the major hurdle - the future of the Melbourne Storm. News Ltd wanted a guarantee that the Storm would continue to get funding from the game for three more years until they are established in their new stadium in Melbourne.

"The clubs wouldn't wear that," one insider told us. "Why should the commission be handing out $6 million a year to Melbourne when clubs like Cronulla are struggling to stay afloat? It gives them an unfair advantage over everyone else."

News Ltd wanted Melbourne's future assured because of the value they bring in television negotiations - for which the company will hold first and last rights - by ensuring it is a national competition. Instead of the Storm getting $6 million a year from the commission, News is likely to get a severance payment of around $18 million when it exits the game.

That money will be drip-fed into the Storm over the next three years to make the sale more attractive to prospective investors.

Is the future of all clubs assured or will there be mergers?


Financially struggling clubs like the Cronulla Sharks and the Newcastle Knights will have far greater hope of survival under the commission. At the moment, the NRL has no money in the bank to prop up a club that goes broke. Even if a club decides to relocate to the Central Coast, the original $10 million relocation offer is not available anymore because the cash just isn't there.

The commission will be looking to bank money each year to set up a war chest to fight the AFL in Sydney's west and on the Gold Coast.

"All clubs will be equal shareholders and it will be in all their interests to ensure no one folds," one senior official said. "One less team would mean one less game, which would seriously affect their income from TV rights. The struggling clubs will be far more secure under the new administration."

Will the commission be genuinely independent?

News Ltd will have no representatives on the board. The Australian Rugby league will have only one - Colin Love.

Nick Politis is one of the most powerful and influential figures in the history of the game and has been the key player, along with Searle, in all talks and private dealings to set up the commission.

But he has told those closest to him that once the commission is set up, he feels that, at 67, he is ready for a backseat role and will concentrate solely on his job at the Roosters.

What happens to the ARL, NSWRL, QRL and CRL?

The new independent body will be called the Australian Rugby League Commission, but the competition will still be called the Telstra NRL premiership. The NSWRL and Queensland Rugby League will come under the umbrella of the commission but will still oversee their state competitions and run the State of Origin series.

All revenue will go to the commission, which in turn will provide grants to the respective leagues. The CRL will continue to run bush football, while the independent commission will oversee all international football.
 
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Well I like the sound of it all, Gallop and Love not really concerned can live with that as long as News ltd is out of the way.

Two new teams fantastic! but really wish we could get a team over the other side of the mountains I just feel its an area that needs to be tapped even if it was a under 20's team/club.

I understand the storm need help but they really need to learn how to run a budget sheet and cut some spending like other clubs have to do.
 

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Jobs for the boys fear haunts commission ideal

Jobs for the boys fear haunts commission idealCourier MailIn what shapes as a history-making administration shake-up, the commission is expected to be implemented early next year by current NRL stakeholders, ...and more »

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Jobs for the boys fear haunts commission ideal
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November 29, 2009 11:00pm

SOUTH Sydney chief executive Shane Richardson last night described rugby league's independent commission as "the biggest step forward in 100 years of the game".

"Everyone has to put their egos away – this has got to happen," Richardson stressed.

In what shapes as a history-making administration shake-up, the commission is expected to be implemented early next year by current NRL stakeholders, News Ltd and the Australian Rugby League.

The Courier-Mail understands all stakeholders in the game have agreed in principle to a commission. The only fear though among clubs is whether too many "jobs for the boys" will be handed out to veteran officials as a sweetener for their support.

ARL and News Ltd will nominate the inaugural commission with the 16 clubs to then select the commissioners.

Officials were ducking for cover yesterday, reluctant to discuss the matter publicly for fear of jeopardising any potential deal.

The commission will however be discussed at an NRL partnership meeting today.

"It will be the biggest step forward in 100 years of rugby league. It's crucial," Richardson said. "The biggest advantage AFL has over us is their commission – they have one voice.

"It is vital at this stage that the clubs do everything they can to support this.

"It would be a huge backward step (if it failed). All the stakeholders recognise how important this is.

"Everyone has to out their egos away – and their attitudes – because it's got to happen."

League sources fear "nepotism" may sneak into negotiations and that long-time officials will be included in the revised game.

Asked about this, all Cronulla CEO Richard Fisk said was: "Everyone is aware we can move forward with one united body but the key will be in the detail and to ensure we have good, fresh and positives ideas brought to our game."

There was speculation yesterday former Super League CEO John Ribot was part of a consortium to buy the Melbourne Storm, currently funded by News Ltd, in the revamped game.

But Ribot, also a QRL director, said: "I don't want to be involved. I won't be involved.

"We (QRL) want an independent commission but no one wants to meet with us.

"I wish people would step up to the plate and tell us all about it. We don't know how it's all going to happen if no one wants to have a meeting. It is very unusual."

One player manager said: "I'll believe it (a commission) when I see it."

The man behind the commission, Gold Coast boss Michael Searle, said he hoped for an announcement by Christmas "if all the stars align".
 
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"We (QRL) want an independent commission but no one wants to meet with us.
"I wish people would step up to the plate and tell us all about it. We don't know how it's all going to happen if no one wants to have a meeting. It is very unusual.

lol oh dear the supposed new home of RL is feeling left out do they realise people want an independent commission that isn't QLD based and run.

One player manager said: "I'll believe it (a commission) when I see it."

lol obviously this would be the last thing they want they may be set some standards that they would be required to follow.
 

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Thats just Ribot being he's usual paranoid, Queensland-centric self. This is another man to add to the list of blokes who should be cast aside when this new era dawns, along with his Sydney-centric counterparts. The last thing this new commission needs is a State of Origin atmosphere in the boardroom.
 
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