(Archived) THE RUMOUR MILL - Player Movement

[evertonshark]

What are the other forum saying egg?

Doing a bit of reading on the "other forum" myself and came across a stat someone had posted that showed flanagan has only coached the team to 12 wins without todd carney in the team..

 

[Sutty]

I'd love to know Robson's win percentage for the Sharks in games with Carney.

 

[Beejay]

I'd love to know Robson's win percentage for the Sharks in games with Carney.

Well if you have a free night you could probably work it out yourself

http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org

 

[Sutty]

25 games, won 5, lost 20. 20% win record without Carney (Which is actually better than I thought it would be).

1	9	May 21st	Round 11	Cronulla	L	6 to 26	Canterbury	#7	Halfback
2	11	Jun 10th	Round 14	Cronulla	W	22 to 12	Gold Coast Titans	#7	Halfback
3	13	Jun 29th	Round 17	Cronulla	W	26 to 12	Brisbane	#7	Halfback
4	17	Jul 28th	Round 21	Cronulla	L	20 to 21	Penrith	#7	Halfback	1t
5	5	Apr 6th	Round 5	Cronulla	L	6 to 13	Parramatta	#7	Halfback
6	6	Apr 14th	Round 6	Cronulla	L	18 to 25	Manly Warringah	#7	Halfback
7	22	Sep 1st	Round 25	Cronulla	L	18 to 31	North Queensland	#7	Halfback	1t
8	23	Sep 8th	Round 26	Cronulla	W	38 to 18	Canberra	#7	Halfback	1t
9	25	Sep 20th	Semi Final	Cronulla	L	18 to 24	Manly Warringah	#7	Halfback
10	5	May 12th	Round 9	Cronulla	L	24 to 42	Parramatta	#7	Halfback
11	7	May 26th	Round 11	Cronulla	L	0 to 18	South Sydney	#7	Halfback
12	9	Jul 5th	Round 17	Cronulla	W	30 to 28	Sydney	#7	Halfback	1t
13	10	Jul 13th	Round 18	Cronulla	L	18 to 31	Newcastle	#7	Halfback	1t
14	11	Jul 18th	Round 19	Cronulla	L	18 to 36	North Queensland	#7	Halfback
15	12	Jul 26th	Round 20	Cronulla	W	18 to 16	Penrith	#7	Halfback
16	13	Aug 2nd	Round 21	Cronulla	L	12 to 32	Parramatta	#7	Halfback	1t
17	14	Aug 10th	Round 22	Cronulla	L	12 to 16	Warriors	#7	Halfback
18	15	Aug 16th	Round 23	Cronulla	L	6 to 48	Melbourne	#7	Halfback
19	16	Aug 24th	Round 24	Cronulla	L	12 to 22	Canberra	#7	Halfback
20	17	Sep 1st	Round 25	Cronulla	L	19 to 20	North Queensland	#7	Halfback
21	18	Sep 6th	Round 26	Cronulla	L	10 to 26	Wests Tigers	#7	Halfback
22	1	Mar 8th	Round 1	Cronulla	L	20 to 24	Canberra	#7	Halfback
23	2	Mar 13th	Round 2	Cronulla	L	2 to 10	Brisbane	#7	Halfback
24	3	Mar 21st	Round 3	Cronulla	L	18 to 36	Melbourne	#7	Halfback	1t
25	4	Mar 28th	Round 4	Cronulla	L	22 to 24	Gold Coast Titans	#7	Halfback

 

[Western Sharkie]

As usual I'm a bit of a fence sitter on the Carney subject. Yes, if he didn't get up to mischeif, kept totally injury free and gave this side it's much needed spark then I would have no problems in having him back.
Unfortunately, I don't see any of those things happening.

I guess if he didn't get up to mischief he would never have left the Raiders and would never have played for the Roosters or us.

 

[Capital_Shark]

What is actually the difference?

Carney was playing like a halfback for basically the whole time he was here. He's getting older and slower but his skills are just as good. Theres literally no difference in two numbers anymore and it makes SO much more sense to have 7. carney 6. barbs 1. holmes.

Like how could you think anything else is beyond me lol

A lot of teams play that way - left & right halves - at least outside their 20. I personally hate it it. Especially when I see a bloke like Milford restrained to the left. Halves need to connect at times in the opp. 20.

Do you think Thurston plays any differently playing at 6 as opposed to 7?

I do actually. Not as a result of the number on his back, thats a distraction. But when he plays 1st receiver better things happen for the Cowboys.

we need Carney (fullstop) .

Rubbish. He's not commited to change anything off-field and as such he'll never be 100% on-field. Little grot can rott IMO.

I guess if he didn't get up to mischief he would never have left the Raiders and would never have played for the Roosters or us.

If, if, if ... Bugger him. The Raiders laid out a good plan which would of seen that kid go far, but he knocked it back and he's said he'll knock back any booze ban but still expects a NRL gig. Faaaark off. You're 28 at best 4yrs left - ditch the piss, make a bit more and piss it away between 32 & 40 if you please. Just don't be referred to as "former Cronulla bad boy" on A Current Affair.

 

[egg]

What are the other forum saying egg?

Saying Carney believes he was hard done by but open to coming back under his conditions .
Feels we're to boring and change is required
Alll player's would have to cut their hair short and dye it blonde .
All players would have to take up indian guru practices of drinking their own body wastes .
He wants to play fullback because 5/8 means tackling occasionally .
Won't go to Manly because Eagles and him don't get along .

 

[Western Sharkie]

Hey CP, I agree with you. My post was referring to Chad's and my point being was that IF he didn't get up to mischief then he would never have left the Raiders to begin with, but he isn't capable of not getting up to mischief. Hence his current situation.


Quote Originally Posted by Chad View Post
As usual I'm a bit of a fence sitter on the Carney subject. Yes, if he didn't get up to mischeif, kept totally injury free and gave this side it's much needed spark then I would have no problems in having him back.
Unfortunately, I don't see any of those things happening.

 

[Thresher]

Saying Carney believes he was hard done by but open to coming back under his conditions .
Feels we're to boring and change is required
Alll player's would have to cut their hair short and dye it blonde .
All players would have to take up indian guru practices of drinking their own body wastes .
He wants to play fullback because 5/8 means tackling occasionally .
Won't go to Manly because Eagles and him don't get along .

Ha ha, thanks egg

 

[Sharky14]

carney has only played 1 game for Catalans and got his ribs broken

he has played 3. Wolves, sthelens and hull

 

[BlackWhiteBlue]

A lot of teams play that way - left & right halves - at least outside their 20. I personally hate it it. Especially when I see a bloke like Milford restrained to the left. Halves need to connect at times in the opp. 20.



I do actually. Not as a result of the number on his back, thats a distraction. But when he plays 1st receiver better things happen for the Cowboys.



Rubbish. He's not commited to change anything off-field and as such he'll never be 100% on-field. Little grot can rott IMO.



If, if, if ... Bugger him. The Raiders laid out a good plan which would of seen that kid go far, but he knocked it back and he's said he'll knock back any booze ban but still expects a NRL gig. Faaaark off. You're 28 at best 4yrs left - ditch the piss, make a bit more and piss it away between 32 & 40 if you please. Just don't be referred to as "former Cronulla bad boy" on A Current Affair.

now id have him back purely because of the talent he has on the field. He was a favourite of mine from his canberra days. He's always been good, he hasnt just had good periods of time. Every season he has played he has been good, even when he hasnt been on fire. From memory 2011 was his worst season, but i think after the dally m and a gf appearance expectations rose.

But your last paragraph there does sum it up. When he was at the Raiders and he had been in a **** load of trouble, they were open to keeping him, but he had to not drink. He refused that contract and condition. Refused. They were going to pay him a lot down there. Went to the sticks to play bush footy for a year, came to the roosters and tore the house down. Full season with no issues, Dally M. Probably got on the piss, but by all reports never got himself in trouble. 2011, gets done low range DUI, seemed to me like an honest mistake, thought mistakes like that happen to TC a bit. He gets injured, goes out for a few drinks with Watts. Watts goes home and lays down the law with his missus, Carney is the head line for being out having a drink. By end of season he is sacked and Roosters fans are hating him. 2012 comes he fires up, we start off well (after 2 losses) and Carney makes Origin, game 3 highlight, kicking a sideline conversion to level it up. 2013, he misses 4 (say 5 since he went off injured early) games, is like a point shy of a 2nd Dally M. Imagine if he didnt get injured!! Again, probably his 2nd best season compared to 2010, stays out of the press for dumb ****, except for the coke rumours. 2014 starts finding the old carney and being published as a menace. kind of involved in an altercation (outside maccas), rumours of a woman approaching the club about some inappropriate behaviour by todd, and then in the end the bubbler.
Should a guy be sacked for that? no
Should Todd be sacked for that? yes.
Why? Todd comes with that reputation, with everything the club went through, he brought another bad headline. It was stupid. Thats all it was. But it comes down to him drinking.

He has a huge rap sheet, a few DUI, the bubbler, pissing on a guy, setting a bloke on fire, vandalism, running from the cops, failure to stop when signalled, a few times drinking while on a club booze ban. **** he was banned from him home town!!! yet this guy still refuses to sign contracts stating no grog! How many millions of dollars has Todd Carney lost for alcohol. He will never make those millions back, but he can always drink when he is retired.

 

[Sir Chadley]

Yep it's amazing how stubborn people can be. We placed an electrical apprentice just before Xmas and when he came to us he had those silly round earrings in his ears. We advised him to take them out for his interview as the boss we were sending him to was old school and wouldn't have stood for it. The kid kicked up a bit of a stink but eventually took them out.

He got the job and started work but we've found out that when the big boss is away he puts the earrings back in. WTF for? Does he think the boss is stupid? Does he think the boss won't find out? One of my colleagues counselled him yesterday and told him to keep them out on the job. Our client is perfectly within his rights to request him not wear the earrings as he comes into contact with the public.

But the kids attitude stinks. He said to us, "You can't sack me for that!" He's right we can't. But the client can hand him back to us no questions asked because he's still in probation. And we'd find it difficult getting another job for him.

You can give a kid skills, you can supply him with the experience he needs but you can't coach attitude. You've either got it or you haven't.

 

[Western Sharkie]

Hmm Chad. You are building up to something. You just didn't finish your last paragraph!!!
Broom, sweeping (maybe certain players) all comes to mind!

 

[1990 sharkie]

I don't want todd because it might save flanno and robson. Todd ****ed up by us and got sacked and if we reinstate him , we are showing the world how dumb and desperate we are

 

[Thresher]

Yep it's amazing how stubborn people can be. We placed an electrical apprentice just before Xmas and when he came to us he had those silly round earrings in his ears. We advised him to take them out for his interview as the boss we were sending him to was old school and wouldn't have stood for it. The kid kicked up a bit of a stink but eventually took them out.

He got the job and started work but we've found out that when the big boss is away he puts the earrings back in. WTF for? Does he think the boss is stupid? Does he think the boss won't find out? One of my colleagues counselled him yesterday and told him to keep them out on the job. Our client is perfectly within his rights to request him not wear the earrings as he comes into contact with the public.

But the kids attitude stinks. He said to us, "You can't sack me for that!" He's right we can't. But the client can hand him back to us no questions asked because he's still in probation. And we'd find it difficult getting another job for him.

You can give a kid skills, you can supply him with the experience he needs but you can't coach attitude. You've either got it or you haven't.

Tell that kid that "you're stuck in the '90's man."

 

[dylan the villian]

I don't want todd because it might save flanno and robson. Todd ****ed up by us and got sacked and if we reinstate him , we are showing the world how dumb and desperate we are

So your saying the world hasn't worked this out yet?

 

[1990 sharkie]

So your saying the world hasn't worked this out yet?

Not the desperate part, not yet anyway

 

[Sharkyle]

Our reputation is already in the toilet and we are unsuccessful at the moment.

Carney will help with one of those things at least

 

[BlackWhiteBlue]

I don't want todd because it might save flanno and robson. Todd ****ed up by us and got sacked and if we reinstate him , we are showing the world how dumb and desperate we are

yes, but as stated, we could end up having to fork out a release fee from catalans regardless, which if he goes to another club that club will negotiate and we get sent the bill. How do you think that negotiation will go? Catalans....we want a mil to release him.....Manly, no problem we arent paying anyway.

Then the NRL bends us over and declares it part of our salary cap

 

[puma1355]

chad townsend to return... weve offered him $350k per year...is he a halfback or five-eighth? his wife wants to return... id rather throuw $400k at trent elgby..his a star of the future..