(Archived) THE RUMOUR MILL - Player Movement

[Western Sharkie]

I’d prefer to give that extra spot to a player who we had intent to bring in to the top squad for next season, as he’d be on or some where around the min wage there would be other money left to top up someone else we may want to extend, use that as an enticement?

Metcalf?

 

[Tatus]

Metcalf?

I’m all for this

 

[snowman]

Yep. Thanks.
I get that but we will also need to replace his spot in the top 30, so I hope we are playing hardball and get a player of interest (if there is one) in return.
The Warriors need him more than we need the cap space now so we might as well squeeze a favourable trade for ourselves out of it.

dont really have anyone we need, just promote within for the rest of the year

 

[Tiger Shark]

Assuming we promote within, we'll need to pay them. So the $200k saving is prob now $150k but front load someone's deal and it's another 150k we can use, might be the difference in getting a good middle.

 

[D.D]

dont really have anyone we need, just promote within for the rest of the year

Need to remember we are in direct competition for a top 8 spot with the Warriors. Any such deal would also obviously wait till after our round 17 clash with them also

 

[Sir Chadley]

Need to remember we are in direct competition for a top 8 spot with the Warriors. Any such deal would also obviously wait till after our round 17 clash with them also

Maybe not. A clause could be inserted in the contract that he doesn't play against us in Round 17 and again in Round 21.

 

[bort]

Not sure what the go is with front loading anymore, I assume it has probably been cracked down on or more regulated similar to back ending. If it hasn't it probably should be as it is pretty dodgy haha

Which would mean best use of free cash would be recruiting externally or internal upgrade.
Internal upgrade could be moving someone from out of top 30 into it or could be upgrading and extending an existing contract before player goes to market, which allows you to retain them on a lower total overall.

 

[Gards]

Maybe not. A clause could be inserted in the contract that he doesn't play against us in Round 17 and again in Round 21.

clause should be that he has to play against us

nice to see Chad re-discovering his roots with the jets and warriors

 

[egg]

clause should be that he has to play against us

nice to see Chad re-discovering his roots with the jets and warriors

Better be careful , him playing against us .
Halfbacks peak at age 31 .
Chad's only 6 months from peaking

 

[BurgoShark]

Not sure what the go is with front loading anymore, I assume it has probably been cracked down on or more regulated similar to back ending. If it hasn't it probably should be as it is pretty dodgy haha

Which would mean best use of free cash would be recruiting externally or internal upgrade.
Internal upgrade could be moving someone from out of top 30 into it or could be upgrading and extending an existing contract before player goes to market, which allows you to retain them on a lower total overall.

You can front load or pre-pay in the scenario suggested. It's just that everything has to be approved by the league and you can't do silly stuff. One well known example was Newcastle pre-paying much of Hodko's salary in year 2 of his 3 year contract so that he would be easy to move the next year. This was done with approval from the league.

As for "best use of cash" there are some salary cap implications for upgrading internally, which is one reason why player swaps are popular even if you don't necessarily want/need the player. You actually save more cap space by swapping for an existing top 30 player than you do by upgrading someone (because someone else has paid most of his $$ as a top 30 squad member).

 

[bort]

You can front load or pre-pay in the scenario suggested. It's just that everything has to be approved by the league and you can't do silly stuff. One well known example was Newcastle pre-paying much of Hodko's salary in year 2 of his 3 year contract so that he would be easy to move the next year. This was done with approval from the league.

As for "best use of cash" there are some salary cap implications for upgrading internally, which is one reason why player swaps are popular even if you don't necessarily want/need the player. You actually save more cap space by swapping for an existing top 30 player than you do by upgrading someone (because someone else has paid most of his $$ as a top 30 squad member).

That's a good example of front loading thank you.
Similarly perhaps then if we had 200k become handy loading that onto Fifita could be beneficial. Worst case he is only taking up 650k next year as a player outside our top 20, best case makes it easier for us to move him. I don't really want him to move within NRL still though, prefer he retire or go to ESL.
I'm more dubious if the NRL would just allow 'we are gunna front load these four guys 50k each so we have more cap space next year', if that is allowed then there must be heaps of it going on.

Obviously for upgrading internally you have to want that player to be in your top 30. If you don't want to upgrade any of them then probably makes sense to try and get someone else transferred in from another club especially if they better fit your current roster needs. ie if you have some injuries on the wings mid season there is a very real chance that another top 30 has a winger not getting any/many games who is better than your best winger outside top 30.
The biggest strength I think if you can free up a decent chunk like 200k is the ability to upgrade/extend desirable players before they go to market.

 

[fishermanaxe]

Maybe not. A clause could be inserted in the contract that he doesn't play against us in Round 17 and again in Round 21.

Don’t think the Warriors would accept a 2 match exclusion clause at this stage of the competition.

 

[Gal The Goat]

Maybe not. A clause could be inserted in the contract that he doesn't play against us in Round 17 and again in Round 21.

Yeah Riccio is mentioning that may be on the cards if the deal goes ahead.

“However, the Sharks - while open to the discussion - are considering the inclusion of a clause that would stop Townsend from playing against the club he made his NRL debut for. The eighth-placed Sharks are wary of strengthening the 11th-placed Warriors to the point of mitigating the Shire club’s finals chances. The Sharks are scheduled to play the Warriors twice - in round 17 and round 21.”


Also if Riccio is in the know on this and he’s saying this, the reason behind the deal must be to front load salaries to free up salary cap for 2022 or else why would it help Fitz?

“The six-figure sum would be of huge benefit to incoming Sharks coach Craig Fitzgibbon’s roster rebuild.”

 

[bort]

Also if Riccio is in the know on this and he’s saying this, the reason behind the deal must be to front load salaries to free up salary cap for 2022 or else why would it help Fitz?

“The six-figure sum would be of huge benefit to incoming Sharks coach Craig Fitzgibbon’s roster rebuild.”

Interesting. In context is it referring just to savings this year?

Would either have to be front loading then or else securing retention of another player (or more) we want to keep but may not have otherwise been able to, or would have been a bit tougher too.

This could have more benefit on a player off contract after next season like Blayke. Spend a little more on them now and have them locked in longer at good price, rather than let it get to November and he can negotiate for 2023 onwards and we have compete with other clubs and risk a messy 'has already signed elsewhere for 2023 before 2022 even starts' situation. Upgrade 100k or so now and extend rather than risk having to spend twice as much extra too keep him when he is fielding other offers within six months. Just an example.

 

[snowman]

the 200k may also help us sign someone this year from another club we have our eye on - like an egan butcher type player

 

[bort]

the 200k may also help us sign someone this year from another club we have our eye on - like an egan butcher type player

Definitely also an option, and it is actually quite a lot of buying power in that regard as we are around the halfway mark and more of a November to November season so 200k now is enough to buy a 400k player
or, because that would open up two roster spots (current free one plus Chads one), a couple of players on well above minimum wage.

 

[puma1355]

We should same with fifita

 

[snowman]

We should same with fifita

You are retarded

 

[bort]

Bargain buys and mid-season switches: Where every NRL club stands right now

Mostly a bit of a summary of current rumours

Links us to

Renouf Atoni
The former junior Kiwi has interest from the Cowboys, Sharks and Dragons. It’s understood his preference is to stay at Belmore, but the club is yet to table him an offer.

Dale Finucane
It’s understood the Sharks are also interested in the 29-year-old...According to the Wide World of Spots’ The Mole, Finucane is expected to knock-back big offers to remain at the Storm.

Connor Watson
However, according to Wide World of Sports’ The Mole, the incoming Sharks coach is interested in luring Watson to the club next season.

Mitchell Pearce
With Shaun Johnson and Chad Townsend departing at the end of this season, Pearce has been linked to a move to the Shire....Both Fitzgibbon and Knights coach Adam O’Brien have denied the story, however Fox League’s James Hooper said earlier this month the rumours “won’t go away.”

Suggests
Bulldogs or Souths for Johnson
Super League for Dugan
Manly for Woods
Re-sign for Moylan (on basis he didn't get tap like the other three)
Townsend may make the move to Cowboys sooner than expected... guess this article came out a touch too early

 

[Tiger Shark]

Out of that list Finucane is the only one i'm keen on.

Pass on Watson and Pearce.

Atoni seems promising but we have promising forwards. We need established ready to go forwards to partner Rudolf, Talakai, Hunt etc