(Archived) THE RUMOUR MILL - Player Movement

[samshark]

Oh i agree with you in relation the media reported figures.

But you have it from the horses mouth (Flanno) that our offer isn't the best, which means you are hoping, that a quality player is going to leave his club and join a club who has had, much less success and much more negative media attention for a less than best deal.

Dreaming.

Yeah correct but you've also got to believe that DCE will choose a club that he wants to play for, not just who is the highest bidder. I honestly dont believe that players simply choose the top dollar. They choose the club as well and then try to extract the highest deal they can. Players stay at clubs for less money all the time.

A player like DCE would have to have rocks in his head to choose the Titans. I cant see him going there. From there it just depends on upon if he really wants out of Manly. If so, we are a chance.

 

[samshark]

Hang on, so you are stating that just because there is no quality half available.. that you should go out and sign a high quality back rower just because they are available?

From recollection we extended Robson because there was no one of quality that they could get or were interested in. Forward planning, which is great.

Problem is, one could argue that by making purchases in other areas that may not necessarily have been required, they've left themselves short in this case.

There are players you spend big on and build your club around.

You tell me who we are currently building our club around?

Fifita/Lewis?

You're 100% correct. Flanno's recruitment management in terms of positions of need has been terrible. Lewis, yes, great player but he wasnt needed, neither was Heinington. We already had NRL backrowers and then good yong backrowers to bring through at that time.

What we needed were halves and backs instead Flannagan has based his squad around star backrowers. Is there any other team who has done that?

 

[SharkShocked]

Yeah correct but you've also got to believe that DCE will choose a club that he wants to play for, not just who is the highest bidder. I honestly dont believe that players simply choose the top dollar. They choose the club as well and then try to extract the highest deal they can. Players stay at clubs for less money all the time.

A player like DCE would have to have rocks in his head to choose the Titans. I cant see him going there. From there it just depends on upon if he really wants out of Manly. If so, we are a chance.

Agreed.

I believe he will stay at Manly.

But I will say when prising a player from another club, which i mentioned earlier i believe in this thread, i think you need to be at least 20-30% above the existing clubs deal. Particularly if the player is already happy at said club, you have to entice them, both financially and environmentally.

 

[Sutty]

He might have rocks in his head, and diamonds on his mind. Gotta keep the missus happy, god know's he's playing above his weight division there.

 

[SharkShocked]

You're 100% correct. Flanno's recruitment management in terms of positions of need has been terrible. Lewis, yes, great player but he wasnt needed, neither was Heinington. We already had NRL backrowers and then good yong backrowers to bring through at that time.

What we needed were halves and backs instead Flannagan has based his squad around star backrowers. Is there any other team who has done that?

Precisely, don't even get me started on Heighno.

 

[HaroldBishop]

Hang on, so you are stating that just because there is no quality half available.. that you should go out and sign a high quality back rower just because they are available?

From recollection we extended Robson because there was no one of quality that they could get or were interested in. Forward planning, which is great.

Problem is, one could argue that by making purchases in other areas that may not necessarily have been required, they've left themselves short in this case.

There are players you spend big on and build your club around.

You tell me who we are currently building our club around?

Fifita/Lewis?

Not at all. And I don't see how we've left ourselves short re DCE though? Don't get me wrong, I want him here as much as everyone, but not at any price.

Who are we building our club around? I'd say Wade and the likes of Val, Bird, Nu Brown.

 

[SharkShocked]

So we are building our side around a talented but not superstar back rower... a rookie fullback who's only played a handful of games out of position, a rookie who has yet to play firstgrade and a player who has come through grades in the halves who is now being touted as a hooker.

Solid.

 

[SharkShocked]

So we are building our side around a talented but not superstar back rower... a rookie fullback who's only played a handful of games out of position, a rookie who has yet to play firstgrade and a player who has come through grades in the halves who is now being touted as a hooker.

Solid.

For the record I like all of those players and am hopeful that they will be strong pillars to a successful team.

But realistically... we have a 'hopeful' squad..... we are not a top 4 team and i believe we are well from it.

 

[SharkShocked]

This years success will depend heavily on Ennis providing a kicking game out of DH.

Anyways back to the DCE speculatory raging.

 

[slide rule]

Hang on, so you are stating that just because there is no quality half available.. that you should go out and sign a high quality back rower just because they are available?

From recollection we extended Robson because there was no one of quality that they could get or were interested in. Forward planning, which is great.

Problem is, one could argue that by making purchases in other areas that may not necessarily have been required, they've left themselves short in this case.

There are players you spend big on and build your club around.

You tell me who we are currently building our club around?

Fifita/Lewis?

It was supposed to be Carney.

 

[SharkShocked]

Yeah. Well we all knew from the get go, that was a ticking time bomb, hence my statement about its rare that we have signed a star player from a club that was in demand who wasn't a club reject or unwanted.

 

[Sir Chadley]

This years success will depend heavily on Ennis providing a kicking game out of DH.

Anyways back to the DCE speculatory raging.

I would not be surprised if we hear nothing today.

 

[Bundy Shark]

Sunday, & no its not the 48 hrs thing!

I just imagine its going to be the front page of sports news in the good old Sunday paper.

 

[slide rule]

Yeah. Well we all knew from the get go, that was a ticking time bomb, hence my statement about its rare that we have signed a star player from a club that was in demand who wasn't a club reject or unwanted.

How far do you stretch unwanted? If we offer more money for DCE than Manly and they say "nope can't match that" does that make him unwanted?

 

[SharkShocked]

How far do you stretch unwanted? If we offer more money for DCE than Manly and they say "nope can't match that" does that make him unwanted?

Referring to Barba/Carney

 

[sharks2010]

Yeah correct but you've also got to believe that DCE will choose a club that he wants to play for, not just who is the highest bidder. I honestly dont believe that players simply choose the top dollar. They choose the club as well and then try to extract the highest deal they can. Players stay at clubs for less money all the time.

A player like DCE would have to have rocks in his head to choose the Titans. I cant see him going there. From there it just depends on upon if he really wants out of Manly. If so, we are a chance.

this is what I've been saying, he will be signing there not knowing the make up of the squad for next year, where with us besides a few forwards we are set for next year, especially in the key areas plus we have a young forward and young back rower tied to the club for a few years that they are building the pack around

The only way I see it is that if he goes up there it's purely for money

 

[HaroldBishop]

this is what I've been saying, he will be signing there not knowing the make up of the squad for next year, where with us besides a few forwards we are set for next year, especially in the key areas plus we have a young forward and young back rower tied to the club for a few years that they are building the pack around

The only way I see it is that if he goes up there it's purely for money

All of that's true, but if there offer really is 450k above others, and who bloody knows, but if it is then I'd say he's got rocks in his head if he doesn't go there.

 

[sharkyboy]

It's pretty much always been about the money for daly.

 

[slide rule]

All of that's true, but if there offer really is 450k above others, and who bloody knows, but if it is then I'd say he's got rocks in his head if he doesn't go there.

Agree. He'll be 27 when the contract commences. 3 years, that takes him to 30. He'll probably have another decent contract in him if he can stay healthy and play ok, but this is his career contract IMO.

AS you've already said, he's won premierships and played for Queensland and Australia. I'd take the money so that I could turn into a fat slob and do virtually nothing after age 30.

 

[sharks2010]

Agree. He'll be 27 when the contract commences. 3 years, that takes him to 30. He'll probably have another decent contract in him if he can stay healthy and play ok, but this is his career contract IMO.

AS you've already said, he's won premierships and played for Queensland and Australia. I'd take the money so that I could turn into a fat slob and do virtually nothing after age 30.

but is that how you really want to be remembered as a professional sportsman

There is also this way to look at it, going there with the way they are he could be a major flop and he will get **** all next contract, or go somewhere where the playing squad is good for less money while still playing well to ensure you get another good contract at the end, works itself out lol

Or he could just go up there and kill it and sign another record deal in 3 years time lol