(Archived) THE RUMOUR MILL - Player Movement

[BurgoShark]

That’s exactly why I posted it.

I included our guys for a little loose context.

We don’t need to specify stats don’t tell the whole story every time one gets posted do we

I just don’t think the Sharks have a comparable player to Klemmer (a high minute genuine prop). Even Toby plays a bit more of a mobile/roaming role than a lot of middles.

I see that the NRL now shows stats for decoy runs and support runs, and several Sharks forwards are among the leaders. It could just be that the Sharks style of play is a little more “active” for the middles, so Fitz intentionally keeps the minutes down. Could be that he doesn’t want/need a high minute big boppa and is happy with the big boys each playing 30-40.

 

[CrazyMatt]

Geez I'd love Jackson Hastings at Cronulla.

Yeah Im pretty open to the idea. I rate his work.

 

[Proud Shark]

Geez I'd love Jackson Hastings at Cronulla.

This is where the Moylan second year could come back to bite us.

 

[HaroldBishop]

This is where the Moylan second year could come back to bite us.

Was never a fan of two years

 

[Sparkles]

Was never a fan of two years

First I've heard of it...

 

[snowman]

Why would we take on Klemmer for anything over 400 ? Do you take him over any of our forwards ?

Hunt,BHU etc are all on upwards trajectory with their best ahead of them… Klemmer is ageing and he’s not as hungry as he once was, if Hunt or BHU don’t hit their next level next year we go to market but fk spending big $ on Klemmer right now with the potential of those boys plus Kaufusi and Rudolph hitting their straps

klemmer is a year older than bhu and hunt - so they are all hitting their peak

only one of them makes decent meters per game

 

[snowman]

Geez I'd love Jackson Hastings at Cronulla.

he's crap, pass

 

[andrew's_sharks]

I just don’t think the Sharks have a comparable player to Klemmer (a high minute genuine prop). Even Toby plays a bit more of a mobile/roaming role than a lot of middles.

I see that the NRL now shows stats for decoy runs and support runs, and several Sharks forwards are among the leaders. It could just be that the Sharks style of play is a little more “active” for the middles, so Fitz intentionally keeps the minutes down. Could be that he doesn’t want/need a high minute big boppa and is happy with the big boys each playing 30-40.

I personally would be aiming for the bottom scenario of 30-40 minutes approximately per middle forward (mainly props) and not have a lot of high minute forwards. I think you are better off keeping defensive structures tight in the middle and having players provide more punch. Yes there are some freaks like HAAS but they also cost a lot

 

[Gards]

Geez I'd love Jackson Hastings at Cronulla.

Tigers doing their best to ensure he will be at a new club soon enough

 

[Sevshark]

my only concern would be the cloud that seems to follow him wherever he goes

could all be just smoke and mirrors though

I think chasing the 3rd string half at the tiger's would be concern enough.

 

[Thresher]

I think chasing the 3rd string half at the tiger's would be concern enough.

Trusting the Tigers' judgement on who should be their starting half would be a concern also.

 

[Sevshark]

Trusting the Tigers' judgement on who should be their starting half would be a concern also.

Simple truth that nobody is ready for; Brooks is the better player.

 

[Thresher]

Simple truth that nobody is ready for; Brooks is the better player.

Different types of players.

I think Hastings is tougher, a better defender, and better organiser.

Brooks has all the skills and plenty of pace and can be creative. But he's missing an organisational chromosome or something. Better as a skilled running 5/8 IMO. Or working under strict game-plan guidelines like you'd get under Bellamy.

 

[Sevshark]

Different types of players.

I think Hastings is tougher, a better defender, and better organiser.

Brooks has all the skills and plenty of pace and can be creative. But he's missing an organisational chromosome or something. Better as a skilled running 5/8 IMO. Or working under strict game-plan guidelines like you'd get under Bellamy.

Brooks defence really isn't much worse, efficiency of 85% and is targeted much more.

As for toughness he's been a starting NRL half since the age of 20 and rarely misses games so if you can measure that metric I'd say he's passes.

Hasting may be the better organiser but that matters alot less once you have Api there running the show.

 

[Thresher]

Brooks defence really isn't much worse, efficiency of 85% and is targeted much more.

As for toughness he's been a starting NRL half since the age of 20 and rarely misses games so if you can measure that metric I'd say he's passes.

Hasting may be the better organiser but that matters alot less once you have Api there running the show.

I wasn't saying that Brooks isn't tough. Just that Hastings is as tough as nails, which is one of his attributes.

I think they both have a place in first grade NRL.

Even Young Flanno looked good playing for Easts and some were shocked when Trent told him to look elsewhere. Chuck Brooks in his place that season and he probably would have had a stellar year because of the structure around him.

 

[Sevshark]

I wasn't saying that Brooks isn't tough. Just that Hastings is as tough as nails, which is one of his attributes.

I think they both have a place in first grade NRL.

Even Young Flanno looked good playing for Easts and some were shocked when Trent told him to look elsewhere. Chuck Brooks in his place that season and he probably would have had a stellar year because of the structure around him.

I know you weren't saying that Thresh, just saying he shares that attribute.

I agree that both can play NRL but personally if I needed a half and those are my only 2 choices I'd take Brooks.

 

[Sparkles]

I know you weren't saying that Thresh, just saying he shares that attribute.

I agree that both can play NRL but personally if I needed a half and those are my only 2 choices I'd take Brooks.

That's a tough one... I'm inclined to say if it were for the Sharks I'd go Hastings. He has it in him to cover Nicho if he's not clicking where Brooks doesn't and can control a game well. Another team might suit Brooks better.

The Tigers only really looked like anything when Hastings came back. While I don't doubt Brooks' ability, it's his ticker I'm not as sure about

 

[Thresher]

I know you weren't saying that Thresh, just saying he shares that attribute.

I agree that both can play NRL but personally if I needed a half and those are my only 2 choices I'd take Brooks.

Fair enough.

It depends what your team needs. If I was building a squad and already had a stock-standard organising half I'd choose Brooks.

If I was building a squad and already had a Nicho Hynes, I'd choose Hastings.

 

[Thresher]

But I'd be reticent to choose Hastings because he seems to have personality clashes everywhere he goes.

 

[bort]

But I'd be reticent to choose Hastings because he seems to have personality clashes everywhere he goes.

Bingo
We don’t need that ****

Hynes and Moylan have clicked and we finished second. Be madness to sign a divisive partner for him.

More chance we sign Klemmer than either of these two though.