(Archived) THE RUMOUR MILL - Player Movement

[snowman]

chad is probably a bit better than luke brooks. not by much. 600k would be fair but i still feel we would be getting ripped off.

 

[BurgoShark]

no im taking the stand because you are talking bollocks

saying that a guy who has played his entire life as a half wont be ready in 2019 to play nrl, but suggesting holmes will because he would have had a few seasons on the wing and at fullback. FKN OK M8

i don't not like chad, but we shouldnt pay too much for him. he isn't in the top tier for half backs but wants good money. there are better options out there, and they may come from within.

it is short sighted for you to say kyle flanno cant play at 22 because he hasnt or wouldnt have played before. guess we shouldnt have given brailey a game? fkn idiot



a million dollars a year for bird doesnt make him a good 5/8, it makes nathan brown a dumb arse more than anything

What's "good money"? I don't think anyone is arguing with you about Chad's value mate. Just that "good money" could mean a few different things. For example ... Brenko Lee is on $350k if he makes his bonuses. He's a winger. Paying your half back $500k is probably considered quite low.

 

[snowman]

brenko lee is a centre for the bulldogs

paying your half back half a million dollars and not getting much in return is the concern.

burgo, how many games off his back did chad win for us on his own last year? how many games did he really influence the result with a match winning play? i can think of one. when he got hooked at canberra

 

[Blair]

I don't see Val as a 6 at all. To me he is the perfect fullback. Great in open play with a scattered defensive line, a decent passing game, the ability to pop up anywhere and good at defusing kicks. He'd be wasted at 5/8 where he'd be a distributor of the ball rather than a receiver.

 

[HaroldBishop]

brenko lee is a centre for the bulldogs

paying your half back half a million dollars and not getting much in return is the concern.

burgo, how many games off his back did chad win for us on his own last year? how many games did he really influence the result with a match winning play? i can think of one. when he got hooked at canberra

Nah he definitely did win one or two for us. Can't remember off the top of my head, will have to go back and have a look.

 

[HaroldBishop]

Agree HB. Chad at 500-600k would be good value for the team, 700-800k would mean that he's getting into the elite range and I don't see him as that. He's a good player but not worth that much of our cap.

Agree with all of that mate. Right, time for a beer now.

 

[snowman]

Nah he definitely did win one or two for us. Can't remember off the top of my head, will have to go back and have a look.

what 2? what plays did he make that won us a game? ****ed if i can remember any

 

[BurgoShark]

brenko lee is a centre for the bulldogs

paying your half back half a million dollars and not getting much in return is the concern.

burgo, how many games off his back did chad win for us on his own last year? how many games did he really influence the result with a match winning play? i can think of one. when he got hooked at canberra

Off the top of my head ...
Scored the try to put us up 12-6 v Storm (finished 14-6)

Panthers @ home scored a try to tie it late and then had a hand in the match winner

Panthers @ Penrith he was very very good.

Both Roosters games he carved them up

Kicked a fg versus the Titans to put us up 21-20 late (finished 25-20)

I still think that if the number is $500k we are getting value there. Certainly better than many other halves out there. I think people are remembering the dip in form towards the back end rather than the string form for the bulk of last season.

 

[Tiger Shark]

brenko lee is a centre for the bulldogs

paying your half back half a million dollars and not getting much in return is the concern.

burgo, how many games off his back did chad win for us on his own last year? how many games did he really influence the result with a match winning play? i can think of one. when he got hooked at canberra

My feelings on Chad are the same as yours but I do recall a game or two. Just can't recall the exact games. Which says alot doesn't it. You want your halfback doing more than that if he wants good money.

 

[snowman]

so 2 games, at a stretch 3

not worth good money

 

[kotwben]

The Dragons game we won last year is the only example that comes to mind.

 

[BurgoShark]

so 2 games, at a stretch 3

not worth good money

What would you do instead? Let's say he wants $700k ... so we let him walk. Who wears #7 next year? One of Brown/Flanagan/Mortimer et al. ... or would you go and spend that $700k (o more) on Reynolds? Or go find someone on the open market who comes a little cheaper ($400-500k)? There aren't too many guys coming off contract ... Tyrone Roberts is probably the best example.

 

[HaroldBishop]

If he was to demand 700k I'd say see you later, don't like being held to ransom by players for a silly wage. Could get Reynolds for th at imo.

 

[slide rule]

If he was to demand 700k I'd say see you later, don't like being held to ransom by players for a silly wage. Could get Reynolds for th at imo.

If the player is being offered big money by a competitor what are they meant to do?

I don't see it as holding the club to ransom. It's just the process of negotiations.

I'm happy to let anyone go that we don't see value in, but I really can't blame the player for asking for more if someone else is willing to give it.

 

[HaroldBishop]

If the player is being offered big money by a competitor what are they meant to do?

I don't see it as holding the club to ransom. It's just the process of negotiations.

I'm happy to let anyone go that we don't see value in, but I really can't blame the player for asking for more if someone else is willing to give it.

Yeah that's true, certainly not having a go at Chad, I'd prefer him to stay. I'd be shocked if another club offered him 700k, but if it happens i hope we don't match it.

 

[Sir Chadley]

Geez my head is spinning from all this contract talk. The amounts are just crazy and hard to fathom.
I'm trying to figure out where this is all going to get to. Is it going to settle down one day?

It's probably all tip of the iceberg at the moment.
So who are the winners in all of this?
Player managers that's who. They are rubbing their hands together with glee.

I'm all for players getting as much as they can but it's slowly getting out of hand.
What's making it worse is the NRL's refusal to divulge the 2018 salary cap.
If they had done this last year we may not have seen the frenzy we're seeing now.

 

[slide rule]

Geez my head is spinning from all this contract talk. The amounts are just crazy and hard to fathom.
I'm trying to figure out where this is all going to get to. Is it going to settle down one day?

It's probably all tip of the iceberg at the moment.
So who are the winners in all of this?
Player managers that's who. They are rubbing their hands together with glee.

I'm all for players getting as much as they can but it's slowly getting out of hand.
What's making it worse is the NRL's refusal to divulge the 2018 salary cap.
If they had done this last year we may not have seen the frenzy we're seeing now.

It will end. Simply because all the stock standard players won't fit under any conceivable cap. Anyone who has a bit of ability and is off contact this year has struck gold.

 

[slide rule]

To add to that, Kent said on NRL360 that some clubs have already spent $10mil+ for next year. It's unlikely that the cap will be that high so all those clubs are now effectively out of the market for any remaining players. Furthermore those clubs might be pushed into a position of forced sales of players. That'll certainly be deflationary if it comes to that.

 

[egg]

To add to that, Kent said on NRL360 that some clubs have already spent $10mil+ for next year. It's unlikely that the cap will be that high so all those clubs are now effectively out of the market for any remaining players. Furthermore those clubs might be pushed into a position of forced sales of players. That'll certainly be deflationary if it comes to that.

And that is the crux of the matter .
Don't pay overs and don't disrupt a winning status quo unless forced or some amazing option becomes available .
Chad's fine , can do all the basics really well . Maloney very comfortable with Chad .
If Bird takes the easy money , so be it .
I personally believe around $600K - 650K is close to the mark for Chad to stay with Maloney and perhaps incentives moving forward .
If we play this right there will be subsidized ( Flano style ) bargains in the offering .

 

[stormshark]

Eggsactly,will be some good fruit fall from the tree.Trying to keep fifita in the current climate if it prevails will be tricky but.