(Archived) THE RUMOUR MILL - Player Movement

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ABshark said:
Yeah I get where you and others are coming from. I don't really have time to go into it today (wrote about it here when they introduced it and I don't think many agreed with me then either) hence the short and slightly provocative post. But quickly (IMO):

- This discretionary fund is not about the cap but about competing with money from outside the code (i.e. union and maybe NFL)
- In the example mentioned above, Burgess get an offer from Bath RU or whoever of $1.3m
- NRL Clubs make their offers to Burgess - everyone can have a dip
- Whoever makes the highest bid without assistance - say its $1.1m from Penrith - sets the mark for the level of NRL topup which in that case would be $200k
- Now Burgess can choose between Souths' offer of $1m + the NRL's $200k = $1.2m and Penrith's offer of $1.1m + $200k = $1.3m.
- Assume he chooses Souths. They've got him for less that what Penrith offered but that's normal - happens all the time. They didn't get him because of any advantage - everyone had access to the $200k topup. The NRL essentially pay him an appearance fee to play in their league.

Obviously, none of that includes transfer fees which are an advantage for the wealthy Clubs or the fact that Burgess has a deal with Souths to go there if/when he returns (which I think would have to be voided for my version of this scheme to work).

As for who is marquee and who isn't, it should be a pretty straightforward test - does the player in question significantly improve the quality and value of the code as a whole? Signing say, Adam Ashley-Cooper (while a very good RU player) wouldn't add much to the NRL. Signing Folau obviously would. Preventing Ngani Luamape from going to rugby wouldn't be important, but keeping Karmichael Hunt would be.
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Good post mate

I think the "outrage" probably comes more from what would generally be perceived as the nrl doing more to help a club like souths than they ever would to help a club like ours in this instance.
 
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sharkyboy said:
**** i hate that argument "it must be so hard being rich and famous". Well **** yes it probably is.

Money. doesn't. buy. happiness.

These types of people can't even go to the shops to buy bread without being recognised, their entire public lives are open to everyone to see and they are scrutinised for the smallest of errors.

And these are only NRL players, most of them don't even get paid enough to not work for the rest of their lives.

It would be ****ing tough and like every other normal person, some of them aren't built to cope with the **** life throws at them.

Have some respect mate.
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Boo ****ing hoo. Pump up. Aside from the guys on $60k (which Idris is definitely not) they are living the dream life.
Idris has had dramas and a lack of commitment his whole career.
Lets see how he copes in the real world then.
 
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HaroldBishop said:
Not everything is about money. Bit rich to be judging someone when you have no idea what's going on in their personal life.
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Not referring to just the money they earn. Its the whole package of playing a sport you love for a living. Fugg me, who wouldnt want that.
Everybody has problems. Show some ticker Jamal.
 
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samshark said:
Not referring to just the money they earn. Its the whole package of playing a sport you love for a living. Fugg me, who wouldnt want that.
Everybody has problems. Show some ticker Jamal.
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I just think it's easy to take that line without knowing the full story. Who knows what he's battling with behind the scenes. Could be complete bull****, could be genuine. The public doesn't know.

Yes everybody has problems, some people have bigger problems than others.
 
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ABshark said:
As for who is marquee and who isn't, it should be a pretty straightforward test - does the player in question significantly improve the quality and value of the code as a whole? Signing say, Adam Ashley-Cooper (while a very good RU player) wouldn't add much to the NRL. Signing Folau obviously would. Preventing Ngani Luamape from going to rugby wouldn't be important, but keeping Karmichael Hunt would be.
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That really isn't straight forward at all though. It's very subjective. The improvement that each player can make to the code could be placed along a scale from "a lot" to "none". But there is no clearly defined point where a player will significantly improve the value of the code as a whole. If we all sat here and tried to rank a list of players from 1 to 100, we would all have a totally different list. As would every expert in the game.
 
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samshark said:
Not referring to just the money they earn. Its the whole package of playing a sport you love for a living. Fugg me, who wouldnt want that.
Everybody has problems. Show some ticker Jamal.
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He might not love the sport though. Maybe he's just naturally good at it.
 
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snowman said:
riccio just tweeted we are signing joseph paulo

good mate of wade grahams
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I always loved it when he was out of the Parra side as I thought he was a good ball player and dangerous. But I did think there was something missing too - might have been injuries but I was always wondered why he hadn't kicked on. He's been in firsts for a few years now. But I'd be happy to have him on board.

Where are we going to play him?
 
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Decent pick up. Which one is he?? Haha

Nah good pick up. Considering arona left he fills that gap
 
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Pretty rich to see people have a go at Jamal. Like someone else said, you cant buy happiness. Its not like hes come out and said players should be paid more or play less etc... Props to the kid, hes potentially cost himself a million or so more, instead to enjoy life, that takes balls. Yeah we all work hard for varying amounts of money. But you cant **** on a bloke who gets paid to entertain you all because hes good at it. He owes fans nothing. And id be hard pressed to see anyone in this world take a million dollars from thier boss and leave for greener pastures to live a good life.
 
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Here is a text conversation I just had with a work colleague about our recent signing. Points to keep in mind is that he's a Bulldog supporter so they're always grumpy and he used to play reserve grade for Penrith back in the mid 90s. He actually sat on the bench for the Western Reds in the Super League era. I've called him BS - short for Bulldog Supporter.

Me: We just signed Joseph Paulo from the Eels. Good ball player but I get the feeling he's a bit on the lazy side.
BS: Jesus Christ that's a terrible, terrible, terrible decision. He's as lazy as I have seen in defence and is mistake riddled.
Me: Wow, three terribles. Must be terrible then.
BS: I really can't stand Rugby League anymore. When I see blokes like him playing in the back row it makes me wish I was born 15 years later. He is just crap beyond words.
Me: He's supposed to be 106kg. Doesn't look anywhere near that.
BS: I just can't believe that Cronulla would find any need for him in their top 25. I hope they paid minimum wage for him. Anything more is a total waste of time, money and effort.
 
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