(Archived) THE RUMOUR MILL - Player Movement

[vicsharkfan]

The only way this saga could be more enjoyably would be if it was manly getting fisted....

 

[common]

So who is going to venture onto the Manly forum now for a read? Given they were all pissed at him for possibly leaving at the time, many were calling him this and that. No doubt it is now a collective circle jerk.

 

[Blair]

The only way this saga could be more enjoyably would be if it was manly getting fisted....

I'd never wish an injury on a player, but I hope he has a very long form slump.

As for signing long term, imagine you signed Benji for 10 years or Scott Prince in his prime. Matt Orford would also be a candidate for a good half that had a dramatic drop in form at the latter part of the career.

In all of this DCE has come across as a money grabbing publicity whore, I hope he gets complacent and loses all his rep spots, and Manly stay where the are on the ladder for the next decade.

 

[CrankyShark]

It is beyond me what DCE has done wrong or why anyone is outraged. This was always the final step in the negotiation process under the current paradigm. We were quite likely used as leverage early on, then the Titans, and he finally ends up at Manly. The same **** happens in every negotiation for an in demand player, we just don't see it and it happens over a shorter time frame.

The primary flaw in the current process is that we as rugby league fans have witnessed first hand how ruthless the negotiation process is and can't kid ourselves about the motives of star players on big bucks. Whilst it is nice to lap up the media spin about how they signed cause they love the club, when you pay people enough loyalty goes out the window.

Anyone who wouldn't do what DCE did is a mug who would wind up being ripped off.

 

[common]

I think one of the biggest issues regardless of the current working of the contract deadline etc is just the way in which it has been handled. The media has had a great hand in blowing it up, but they usually do.

For me what I think is crap about it all is the smugness of DCE, and I will put it as such. He said in his conference thing that it was "enticing to be a one club player" well if that is the case and he wanted to remain loyal and true to Manly then he would of not really entertained the idea of signing elsewhere. I know, many players do it to bump up their pay packet, but that aside. He could of taken Manly's original deal and possibly still seen out his career as a one club player.

In the end he comes out just looking like a money grabbing bitch. He would want to perform well over the next few years and get Manly a premiership, and he'd want to stay fit and have no injuries.

End of the day, no respect for the guy and I stick by my thought of seeing him as an overrated, and now also an overpaid player.

 

[HaroldBishop]

I think one of the biggest issues regardless of the current working of the contract deadline etc is just the way in which it has been handled. The media has had a great hand in blowing it up, but they usually do.

For me what I think is crap about it all is the smugness of DCE, and I will put it as such. He said in his conference thing that it was "enticing to be a one club player" well if that is the case and he wanted to remain loyal and true to Manly then he would of not really entertained the idea of signing elsewhere. I know, many players do it to bump up their pay packet, but that aside. He could of taken Manly's original deal and possibly still seen out his career as a one club player.

In the end he comes out just looking like a money grabbing bitch. He would want to perform well over the next few years and get Manly a premiership, and he'd want to stay fit and have no injuries.

End of the day, no respect for the guy and I stick by my thought of seeing him as an overrated, and now also an overpaid player.

Manly put an offer to him last year. They had a few changes at Board level and revised his offer which was something like $150k less than the original offer. DCE discussed this during an interview on Sterlo a little while back, so that's straight from the horses mouth.

What would you do if your employer offered you a salary only to come back with a revised offer, say 15-20% less than their original offer?

Foran leaving opened the way for him to stay at Manly.

 

[slide rule]

I was listening to talking sport the other day and they said that Manly had offered a good deal for an extension at the start of 2014 (I think), which he was happy with. They then withdrew that offer and tabled a considerably smaller one (coinciding with board room issues etc) . That allowed the contract negotiations to continue into this year. The original contract was reportedly for less than the GC offer.

DCE was pissed with the original offer being withdrawn and then this happened.

EDIT: Beaten by HB.

 

[SharkShocked]

Because the NRL didn't do anything wrong in the first place. They merely guaranteed the Titan's deal. This is entirely consistent with the functioning of the salary cap (ie. all clubs spend to the cap) and the NRL was not screwing over any other club by guaranteeing the deal the Titans put on the table.

To be ironic two conditions would need to have been fulfilled.
1) For the NRL to have done something untoward in the first place which they didn't.
2) For the rule to have necessarily altered the course of the events of the negotiation.

Titans took a risk and it blew up in their face. That is all there is to it. The rule if of no consequence in of itself.

I'm not at all suggesting the NRL did anything untoward.

The NRL quite clearly would have preferred DCE to go to the Titans, they publicly made comments about how good it was for a player of his talent to sign on the gold coast and carry the flag for the club.

For their preferred option to disappear due to a rule that they have implemented, which as you have quite clearly mentioned is incredibly flawed... is ironic. Their own creation has hampered their preferred option in this case.

 

[Sutty]

We dodged a bullet boys. :glasses-cool:

I can't imagine how pissed off I'd be had we been the ones to 'sign him'.

 

[common]

Yeah I think we dodged a bullet too. Just imagine the newspapers headlines had he backflipped on Cronulla. Would of been making us out to be the bad guys. Poor management this and that. Club in turmoil. Sheesh!

 

[CrankyShark]

I'm not at all suggesting the NRL did anything untoward.

The NRL quite clearly would have preferred DCE to go to the Titans, they publicly made comments about how good it was for a player of his talent to sign on the gold coast and carry the flag for the club.

For their preferred option to disappear due to a rule that they have implemented, which as you have quite clearly mentioned is incredibly flawed... is ironic. Their own creation has hampered their preferred option in this case.

There is nothing to support your contention that the rule created a different outcome. The rule is not flawed in the sense that it would have necessarily resulted in a different outcome. Flawed in other ways, sure.

As for the NRL supposed preferences, I don't know what you expect them to say. It is standard rhetoric that flows out of media units..

 

[CrankyShark]

We dodged a bullet boys. :glasses-cool:

I can't imagine how pissed off I'd be had we been the ones to 'sign him'.

I agree we dodged a bullet. Unfortunately you have to risk being shot in the chase for star players though.

I think the point a lot of people are missing about DCE supposedly being ruthless, is that we need to match that level or ruthlessness in our chase for stars. It shouldn't be frowned upon, but matched. I shudder to think that the club is going in with such lofty notions of altruism into negotiations as some of our supporters deem appropriate.

 

[SharkShocked]

There is nothing to support your contention that the rule created a different outcome. The rule is not flawed in the sense that it would have necessarily resulted in a different outcome. Flawed in other ways, sure.

As for the NRL supposed preferences, I don't know what you expect them to say. It is standard rhetoric that flows out of media units..

You believe that he would have stayed at Manly and the negotiations would have been different if the opportunity to use this rule didn't exist.

Precisely what crystal ball are you using to predict this?

NRL wanted him at the Titans, he's now not there.

 

[SharkShocked]

Anyways, we are the real winners out of this entire saga.

Our salary cap / recruitment strategy (hah yes that's right i said that).... has not been at all affected by this ridiculous side story.

 

[CrazyMatt]

This also means Manly might be out of the race for Mitch Cornish, I'm hoping we're interested in him to partner Chad next season.

 

[CrankyShark]

You believe that he would have stayed at Manly and the negotiations would have been different if the opportunity to use this rule didn't exist.

Precisely what crystal ball are you using to predict this?

NRL wanted him at the Titans, he's now not there.

That is the point. I don't require a crystal ball. Unless you can tell me that the rule altered the outcome of the negotiation then there is no irony.

For what it is worth I think he probably would have stayed at Manly. He was never gong to make a decision until the 11th hour (when everyone has their cards on the table). All the rule does is make everyone wait for an excruciating period until the 11th hour actually occurs. Yes variables can change over the extended period, but it could be either way so as not to make a difference in the long run.

If as you claim the NRL wanted him at the Titans then it is great to see that they didn't influence the outcome. It makes the NRL look good.

 

[HaroldBishop]

This also means Manly might be out of the race for Mitch Cornish, I'm hoping we're interested in him to partner Chad next season.

Assuming Sezer doesn't backflip. I know he said he wouldn't, but that doesn't mean much until round 13.

 

[SharkShocked]

That is the point. I don't require a crystal ball. Unless you can tell me that the rule altered the outcome of the negotiation then there is no irony.

For what it is worth I think he probably would have stayed at Manly. He was never gong to make a decision until the 11th hour (when everyone has their cards on the table). All the rule does is make everyone wait for an excruciating period until the 11th hour actually occurs. Yes variables can change over the extended period, but it could be either way so as not to make a difference in the long run.

If as you claim the NRL wanted him at the Titans then it is great to see that they didn't influence the outcome. It makes the NRL look good.

If you think anything about this entire process has made the NRL look good, you are clearly out of touch with reality.

 

[CrankyShark]

If you think anything about this entire process has made the NRL look good, you are clearly out of touch with reality.

Perhaps. I don't share the anger that others do regarding the rule. I understand people don't like it, but I'm more inclined to take the side of the player than the club. Their careers are short and their bodies destroyed by the time their careers are done. The club then signs the next player.

To me the only thing that really matter here is that the integrity of the negotiation isn't compromised. Since the rule doesn't do that it doesn't upset me. I only care if the NRL is acting corruptly which it isn't.

If I thought the NRL had screwed us over in some way I would be angry. Instead I see a robust negotiation independent of the desires of the NRL.

 

[slide rule]

It only makes the NRL look bad because the DT have cried about it, which is what they'd do for any system anyway.