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The only reason he signed so early was to boot manly up the ass. Makes em realise he will leave if they cant offer up
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The only reason he signed so early was to boot manly up the ass. Makes em realise he will leave if they cant offer up
HaroldBishop
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Yes and no. Don't forget Foran hadn't signed with Parra at that stage. If Foran stayed with Manly they couldn't have paid DCE what he wanted.
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Exactly. All the rule does is draw out the negotiation process, as opposed to likely altering the outcome.
Typical weak-ass Carlton response!
Nah but seriously DCE is only 26. 9 years gets him to 35 and he could easily be still playing at that point. By 2024 (or so) the salary cap will be significantly larger and you can wear a year or two down on total payments - hell, Parra are doing it at the moment for reserve graders that they had to get rid of. They're not great but they're competing. Plus you would never have to go through this negotiation shambles again and he automatically becomes a Club stalwart.
FWIW, I think Buddy will play for a lot longer than most expect. The precedent is Alistair Lynch and towards the end of his deal Brisbane had to renegotiate with him to pay him more because he wasn't getting paid fairly!
Also, I like ballsy plays in sport. Proactive, not reactive, ones. I liked how the Western Bulldogs went after Boyd too.
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Jaws
Sounds like a dangerous game to me.
No way I'd support us doing something like that.
No way I'd support us doing something like that.
If you think back, Manly had actually pulled their offer at the time he signed - he said the other night that it was between the GC and another Club (us). So Manly have finally ponied up and he's got his mate Nate there and all is roses.
The whole thing is a shambles but the wilful ignorance of the Daily Astonisher and the media in general has amplified the general ****tiness of the situation.
Too risky?
Think of it this way:
- You guarantee yourself DCE - an elite halfback who has won a Premiership and a Clive Churchill medal in a losing side - for the prime years of his career. You lock in a guy who can win the big ones.
- You don't even have to think about anyone else playing 7 for at least the next 7 or 8 years. i.e. There's no risk of us relying on a terribly mediocre halfback to run our side like we have for about... the last 7 or 8 years (since Noddy left). The Jeff Robsons and Scott Firetruck Porters of this world can stay where they belong - reserve grade.
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Manly pulled the offer with the knowledge they had plenty of time to turn him around. It you change the negotiation paradigm to exclude the rule he can renege by June 30, then Manly up their offer at the time and the whole thing comes to a head much sooner. There is no basis to suggest the rule altered the actual outcome.
I agree with the ten year deal for DCE though. That would have been a risk worth taking.
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Jaws
But what if he gets an injury that isn't enough to retire him but is bad enough to make him a yard slower and a ****ty kicker?
evertonshark
Jaws
Just when it looked like a few lean seasons for manly too. FFS
That's the obvious risk. I just wanted to point out that there are risks in both directions. The payoff is undeniably huge though.
As I said in my original post, Alistair Lynch is the prototype. He suffered from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome for a few years but the Bears/Lions survived and they went on to win three Premierships on the trot.
As I said, its ballsy. But this is sport, not war - no one is gonna die. Fear of failure is endemic in this Club.
HaroldBishop
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Yeah I agree. A deal like that is far too much in the player's favour. Yes I know, he's not your average player, but still.
The club is stuck with him regardless of what happens now. There are no guarantee he will be the same player in 6 years as he is now. Injuries, whatever, and he still gets a huge pay packet. It might be unlikely, but it could really hurt your club as well.
There's nothing to say he won't spit the dummy anyway at some stage down the track. Maybe another club offers him more, asks for a release, Manly so no, DCE says fine, I'm not playing. Manly are stuck with a massive liability.
I don't see what's wrong with offering a 5 year deal.
vicsharkfan
Jaws
Hope we don't backflip on our decision to not re-sign robbo... Imagine if sezer renegedcould u imagine the Ricky presso..
vicsharkfan
Jaws
Lifetime deal....
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Watching the live stream of comments on news site for the DCE conference. DCE is just scum in my opinion. Overrated, not worth the money, and not a person of his word.
HaroldBishop
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Overrated he definitely isn't.
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DCE: Everything happens for a reason. Without everything that's gone on over the last couple of months I wouldn't be sitting here with this opportunity.
DCE; If this is a reason to change the rules for the benefit of the game then I'm happy with that.
DCE: I definitely let the door open to let the speculation continue.
DCE: I was definitely curious to see what was on the table from Manly.
DCE: My decision was changed very recently. In the last 48 hours it's fair to say.
Few key things there being that he was happy to leave the door open for a big $$ offer from Manly. Is what he was hoping for I reckon. Curious to see what they would offer blah blah
DCE; If this is a reason to change the rules for the benefit of the game then I'm happy with that.
DCE: I definitely let the door open to let the speculation continue.
DCE: I was definitely curious to see what was on the table from Manly.
DCE: My decision was changed very recently. In the last 48 hours it's fair to say.
Few key things there being that he was happy to leave the door open for a big $$ offer from Manly. Is what he was hoping for I reckon. Curious to see what they would offer blah blah
I would pay big bucks to watch that!!
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