Well if we can't beat them with Hughes and Paps out I struggle to think when we will , as others have said this is about us , we need to be controlled and mean , give them nothing . Win the forward battle then close Munster and Grant down fast and that will go a long way to winning , between them and the other 2 players they drag the others along , without those 4 the average players struggle , beat them and it will give us confidence for the next time we meet them and going forward to the other tests .