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Meh - I've never been much for school footy up here being responsible for developing all of this talent they claim, and the more I learn the more I think it's all a pile of ****. Schools hyper-focus on winning games over player development, and they throw kids in the gym too young. They'd rather a kid is big and strong at 14 than still be playing at 20.

It's really just a numbers game for these schools. For every Keano Kini they can brag about producing they have 30 kids who probably aren't good enough for your local u17 B's.

Marsden SHS is close to me. They have THIRTY grade 7 classes this year. That's ~450 boys in that grade, and plenty of them are going there specifically because it is a Rugby League school. When you have 300+ kids to pick from you are going to find 20 good ones.
Just curious mate, but what age do you think it is safe for young kids to start going to gyms? My boy is 13 and as we all know on here, cricket is his game rather than league. He has a few bar bells in his room that he uses from time to time but he has no real set training pattern. Just does it when he feels like it. I'm no help to him as I don't like gyms and working out makes me feel physically sick.
 

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Just curious mate, but what age do you think it is safe for young kids to start going to gyms? My boy is 13 and as we all know on here, cricket is his game rather than league. He has a few bar bells in his room that he uses from time to time but he has no real set training pattern. Just does it when he feels like it. I'm no help to him as I don't like gyms and working out makes me feel physically sick.
Imo that's fine. A few barbells and some body weight stuff is good.

I'm against this sort of stuff - which is outdated but still used by the schools. 20+ sessions per week for a 15 year old kid is a great way to burn him out.

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Imo that's fine. A few barbells and some body weight stuff is good.

I'm against this sort of stuff. 20+ sessions per week for a 15 year old kid is a great way to burn him out.

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Yeah that's a lot
4 gym sessions a week given the rest of the workload is excessive, at that age three or even two should suffice that time of year with that much else on. Can increase to four in off-season.
And I'd have thought anyone playing club and above doesn't need to do conditioning with the school. Skills only with school and at least one of the Tuesday sessions should drop off - that will be main day conditioning is prioritised. Surely there are diminishing returns to do that 3 times, especially for a kid who also needs to be half paying attention at school.

Maybe I'm just lazy.
 

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Don't need to understand Origin

Just need to understand how to pick a squad, coach them, motivate them and how to put together a game plan to beat QLD over a month or so

'Understanding Origin' has been part of NSW's problem. They approach and play it like it's still the 2000's and obsess about pride and hate and bashing and pick ego's squeezing them all in instead of the right player for the right task/position/combination. They place the mythical QLD team on a pedestal and go into a game ready to choke and miss their chances and mess up in the key moments.

It's not about the hype or being tough, playing conservatively and grinding it out anymore. QLD blow the Blues away with their hi tempo adventurous style and are well drilled and talented enough to pull it off regularly. Yes they can defend very well too but the Blues often don't throw that much at them that isn't easily read or shut down or just don't execute it well enough.

QLD have built up their confidence, belief, systems, trust ect over many decades. The Blues are still catching up even if they had relatively small but good period of winning series in more recent years.

Blues need fresh coaching staff, some fresh players and new attitudes and approach. Madge isn't a CH9 bum chum or in the former blues players camp. He's just a straight shooting Rugby League coach. I think it's a good start down a possible new direction.

If Madge just tries to replicate what the Blues have always done they are a good chance of failing again. The Blues get close alot of the time but there have been alot of those alot of the times so the Blues need to find that extra piece or pieces that will get them over the line more often than not.

And they need to stop having the mandatory slip up game in a series where QLD destroy them.

Blues keep losing cause they just arn't as good, competent or confident as QLD over 80 mins, not for lack of understanding or desire to win in the contect of how big Origin games are.
 

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Yeah that's a lot
4 gym sessions a week given the rest of the workload is excessive, at that age three or even two should suffice that time of year with that much else on. Can increase to four in off-season.
And I'd have thought anyone playing club and above doesn't need to do conditioning with the school. Skills only with school and at least one of the Tuesday sessions should drop off - that will be main day conditioning is prioritised. Surely there are diminishing returns to do that 3 times, especially for a kid who also needs to be half paying attention at school.

Maybe I'm just lazy.
My main issue is the red box. Junior reps don't exist for kids 15 and under in Qld because the dev framework says it is not beneficial to the player, and the selectors are just picking the early bloomers anyway - so this is outdated and a contradiction of the dev framework.

I have no issue with a 15yo kid playing club and school, doing two gym sessions a week and mixing in a couple of other sports, but the schools are using this as a template to say that since they are not playing rep footy all kids should be doing what is in the green box... and then actively encouraging kids to quite club footy "because school footy is a higher level of competition".... but it's not. Outside of the very top teams school footy is awful quality. I'd back a top end div2 team to comfortably beat most school teams of the same age.

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So what the school would want is

Monday: Gym/Speed, Skills
Tuesday: Field session x2, Gym
Wednesday: Game (school)
Thursday: Field session x2, Gym
Friday: Gym, other (school) sport maybe
Saturday: Junior Rep game
Sunday: rest

Or... where does the Saturday game come from if Junior reps doesn't exist but kid doesn't play for a club?

That workload isn't too bad. Could def cut a gym still, and depending on systems working together only one Tuesday field session needs to have a conditioning focus really.
 

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Nate Myles down here on staff active in one of the RL schools programmes . Those school RL programmes being put up are all good and all, but ignore that player is likely to be doing club footy as well. . Throw in a Teenager training and playing Sat Club footy ( or other sport) , and ya got injuries and burn out, right there. I'm not a big one on Jnrs and Weights, pre 17/18 yo and and only if required to do so, in a rep programme anyway.
 

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Nate Myles down here on staff active in one of the RL schools programmes . Those school RL programmes being put up are all good and all, but ignore that player is likely to be doing club footy as well. . Throw in a Teenager training and playing Sat Club footy ( or other sport) , and ya got injuries and burn out, right there. I'm not a big one on Jnrs and Weights, pre 17/18 yo and and only if required to do so, in a rep programme anyway.
Is this misworded? Why would only players required to do a weights program benefit from one?
 
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