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That is the most ****ed thing I have ever heard from the NRL.
This has just completely paved the way moving forward for any similar instances. Weak as ****ing piss!

You get the same amount on the sidelines for calling a bloke a monkey. ****ing appalling!
Yep, any players or registered people need to keep a file of this in case they need a guideline in the future. The precedent has been well and truly set with this decision.
 
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Wiping him out for 1/3 of the season is probably about right. In comparison to what the court gave him you could say the League’s punishment was excessive. We also don’t know what the monetary part of his NRL punishment is yet – somehow I don’t reckon he will get change from $1000 on this fine.

The NRL can’t win here. Because of the absolute bullshit punishment handed down by the court there is a thirst among the public to see this guy cop it. But it is not the job of the NRL to clean up after the “justice” system fails. If they try to satisfy the public by going extra hard on Mam they are basically letting the punters on Twitter and Facebook run the show.
Is the NRL decision binding ? Because if the QLD crown prosecution service appeals against the leniency of the court ruling and he gets re sentenced, its going to make the NRL look like absolute muppets, ( which isn't really hard anyway) remember that this government just recently got elected , mainly on the back of law and order.
 

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Is the NRL decision binding ? Because if the QLD crown prosecution service appeals against the leniency of the court ruling and he gets re sentenced, its going to make the NRL look like absolute muppets, ( which isn't really hard anyway) remember that this government just recently got elected , mainly on the back of law and order.
If it is appealed (big ‘if’ in my opinion) and Mam’s punishment is upped I don’t think it will be the NRL made to look like absolute muppets. Again, the failings of the Queensland justice system are nothing to do with the NRL. The NRL can’t just wait around on the off chance the sentence is appealed – what if they did and it took 12 months for a new verdict? What if the original verdict was upheld?

The NRL issue a breach notice. I assume once the player accepts the punishment laid out in that within the timeframe then that’s that. If we get to round 5 it’s a bit late for Mam to re-explore his options of playing round 1. Same as I don’t think Mam can serve his 9 weeks and be resentenced this time next year, have his punishment upped and then have the NRL give him another 9 weeks to start season 2026. That would just be ****ing chaos. It is in everyone’s best interests for this to go away – better for Mam, the NRL and the Queensland justice system/government to get out of the headlines. I think that is the thing to remember. No one is rehashing this.
 
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It’s soft but probably fair given what the courts held him accountable for.

More than double the punishment we gave Trindall who was fined more in court and blew alcohol in his system.

If the courts had actually cared Mum veered straight into oncoming traffic injuring people then NRL would have had a better leg to stand on to punish him more.
The NRL was also between a rock and a hard place with the courts ruling
But they could have still taken a stand and punished him more appropriately
 
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The NRL was also between a rock and a hard place with the courts ruling
But they could have still taken a stand and punished him more appropriately
Yeah I agree. I'm not sure why the court decision even factors into it. Spencer, Pearce etc weren't charged by the courts, but the nrl had no issues handing down punishments there. The nrl should just focus on punishing players for bringing the game into disrepute on their own scale/merit. Otherwise we end up with inconsistent bullshit like this.
 

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The NRL was also between a rock and a hard place with the courts ruling
But they could have still taken a stand and punished him more appropriately
Appropriate according to who?
Not the Qld legal system - which I think does somewhat affect what the NRL can react to.

Given what he actually got charged with the punishment is quite strong. Much stronger than Trindalls comparable and arguably worse charges.

Like you said, rock and a hard place. If courts come down harder with more charges NRL can use those to justify more punishment.
Courts definitely too soft, but I don’t blame NRL for then ending up also soft.

Wiping him out for 1/3 of the season is probably about right. In comparison to what the court gave him you could say the League’s punishment was excessive. We also don’t know what the monetary part of his NRL punishment is yet – somehow I don’t reckon he will get change from $1000 on this fine.

The NRL can’t win here. Because of the absolute bullshit punishment handed down by the court there is a thirst among the public to see this guy cop it. But it is not the job of the NRL to clean up after the “justice” system fails. If they try to satisfy the public by going extra hard on Mam they are basically letting the punters on Twitter and Facebook run the show.

Agreed

That is the most ****ed thing I have ever heard from the NRL.
This has just completely paved the way moving forward for any similar instances. Weak as ****ing piss!

You get the same amount on the sidelines for calling a bloke a monkey. ****ing appalling!

He didn’t crash his car on the NRL field though. He got about the same for off-field disrepute as Leniu got for on-field racism. No point arguing about whether Leniu should be allowed to call other brown people monkey or racially abused people should just toughen up but the NRL is probably correct to take a strong stance against on-field abuse in the realms of race, homophobia or family attacks/threats.
That’s entirely their employees on their broadcast and I don’t have an issue with them being strict on it.
IMO it’s a different enough circumstance I don’t really see it as comparable.
 

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Yeah I agree. I'm not sure why the court decision even factors into it. Spencer, Pearce etc weren't charged by the courts, but the nrl had no issues handing down punishments there. The nrl should just focus on punishing players for bringing the game into disrepute on their own scale/merit. Otherwise we end up with inconsistent bullshit like this.
It’s a tricky one
Based on what he was legally in the wrong for this was a quite inconsistent judgement compared to Trindall
He arguably got about 5 to 7 weeks for a car accident resulting in no criminal charge, if we say trindall got 4 for similar coke, better license situation, much worse alcohol situation.
Even 5 weeks for a car accident resulting in no legal issue isn’t nothing.

At the end of the day he deserves to have been charged more legally imo
Which gives the NRL a better leg to stand on.
 

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This maggot was deadset lucky to get a Magistrate who was a Broncos fan.

He was unlicenced. Due to multiple breaches of the law.

He was stoned.

He drove on the wrong side of the road.

And broke a 9 year old girls pelvis after he smashed into her car.

The jerk should have been rubbed out for at least a year.

Brsbane is Bronco town.

Another reason to hate the cnuts.

Spencer was right.
 
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It’s a tricky one
Based on what he was legally in the wrong for this was a quite inconsistent judgement compared to Trindall
He arguably got about 5 to 7 weeks for a car accident resulting in no criminal charge, if we say trindall got 4 for similar coke, better license situation, much worse alcohol situation.
Even 5 weeks for a car accident resulting in no legal issue isn’t nothing.

At the end of the day he deserves to have been charged more legally imo
Which gives the NRL a better leg to stand on.
Yeah I'd have been fine for Tricky to be given more too.

I'm taking the legal part out of it completely. Driving a company car, unlicensed, with drugs in his system and causing an accident with reckless driving rates pretty high on the scale for me. It's not like he rear ended someone. To me it seems the NRL place that just about on par with a racial slur on the field. Neither are good, but they arent the same.

Maybe it means they got the Spencer one wrong and not this one, but either way the inconsistency across the board is BS.
 

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Yeah I'd have been fine for Tricky to be given more too.

I'm taking the legal part out of it completely. Driving a company car, unlicensed, with drugs in his system and causing an accident with reckless driving rates pretty high on the scale for me. It's not like he rear ended someone. To me it seems the NRL place that just about on par with a racial slur on the field. Neither are good, but they arent the same.

Maybe it means they got the Spencer one wrong and not this one, but either way the inconsistency across the board is BS.
For some reason we don’t have the bold as a fact
Now, you can say you’ve seen the video and it looked very bad and I agree, but in the space where it matters (as far as determining a punishment) neither body (NRL/legal system) cares apparently.

As a mate who is a cop said - it’s not inherently illegal to have a car accident.

If a licensed player with clean system got distracted and had that crash how long should they be suspended for?

Drugs in his system was detected at basically the lowest possible level and unlikely to have been impairing him in any way.

We don’t know how he had an accident.
To me I’d put my money on he was using his phone, but I can’t prove that.

End of the day given the legal wrist slap I think NRL punishment was about right and he has good expensive lawyers to thank both aren’t much more significant as I think an other charge could have come close to doubling his weeks.

Agree accident and slur aren’t the same - I’m sure in the legal system you could find many different examples of different things having similar punishments. Doesn’t bother me if NRL wants to be quite strict on racism.
 
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For some reason we don’t have the bold as a fact
Now, you can say you’ve seen the video and it looked very bad and I agree, but in the space where it matters (as far as determining a punishment) neither body (NRL/legal system) cares apparently.

As a mate who is a cop said - it’s not inherently illegal to have a car accident.

If a licensed player with clean system got distracted and had that crash how long should they be suspended for?


Drugs in his system was detected at basically the lowest possible level and unlikely to have been impairing him in any way.

We don’t know how he had an accident.
To me I’d put my money on he was using his phone, but I can’t prove that.

End of the day given the legal wrist slap I think NRL punishment was about right and he has good expensive lawyers to thank both aren’t much more significant as I think an other charge could have come close to doubling his weeks.

Agree accident and slur aren’t the same - I’m sure in the legal system you could find many different examples of different things having similar punishments. Doesn’t bother me if NRL wants to be quite strict on racism.
Yeah I'm comfortable the footage of him swerving into traffic amounts to reckless.

The legal part is still irrelevant to me. He has been the front page of papers half the off season because of his actions. It's hard to argue he hasn't brought the game into more disrepute than most people regardless of what you or I think of his actions from a legal perspective.

I'm not sure how the bold is relevant at all. If that was the circumstances we wouldn't be talking about it. We would barely be talking about it if he just rear ended someone.

The fact is through his choices he was distracted enough to cause a careless accident that could have ended awfully. He did it with his license suspended/expired which has been shown to be a pattern for him. As an individual he shows a blatant disregard for following the rules on the road, and as an NRL player driving a company car that reflects poorly on the league.

For me it's simple for the NRL. It's not about deciding anything from a legal perspective. It's about deciding how it damages the brand. I'd say having NRL players failing roadside tests multiple times this year is way worse than most things in recent memory. I absolutely believe that between the NRL, rlpa and clubs a line in the sand needs to be drawn here before a player kills someone/themselves.

But as a league the NRL has always been reactive not proactive, both on and off the field when it comes to punishments IMO.

I mean wasn't it an automatic deregistration for failing two NRL illicit substance tests? Surely once when driving is worse that twice in a social setting.
 
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Yeah I'm comfortable the footage of him swerving into traffic amounts to reckless.

The legal part is still irrelevant to me. He has been the front page of papers half the off season because of his actions. It's hard to argue he hasn't brought the game into more disrepute than most people regardless of what you or I think of his actions from a legal perspective.

I'm not sure how the bold is relevant at all. If that was the circumstances we wouldn't be talking about it. We would barely be talking about it if he just rear ended someone.

The fact is through his choices he was distracted enough to cause a careless accident that could have ended awfully. He did it with his license suspended/expired which has been shown to be a pattern for him. As an individual he shows a blatant disregard for following the rules on the road, and as an NRL player driving a company car that reflects poorly on the league.

For me it's simple for the NRL. It's not about deciding anything from a legal perspective. It's about deciding how it damages the brand. I'd say having NRL players failing roadside tests multiple times this year is way worse than most things in recent memory. I absolutely believe that between the NRL, rlpa and clubs a line in the sand needs to be drawn here before a player kills someone/themselves.

But as a league the NRL has always been reactive not proactive, both on and off the field when it comes to punishments IMO.

I mean wasn't it an automatic deregistration for failing two NRL illicit substance tests? Surely once when driving is worse that twice in a social setting.
RLPA, player and club will all say that it wasn’t the NRL testers that caught him so it’s irrelevant
 

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Yeah I'd have been fine for Tricky to be given more too.

I'm taking the legal part out of it completely. Driving a company car, unlicensed, with drugs in his system and causing an accident with reckless driving rates pretty high on the scale for me. It's not like he rear ended someone. To me it seems the NRL place that just about on par with a racial slur on the field. Neither are good, but they arent the same.

Maybe it means they got the Spencer one wrong and not this one, but either way the inconsistency across the board is BS.
Of course they got the Spencer one wrong. They let public sentiment judge on that which to be honest I guess racism usually is – when it was acceptable in society it was acceptable on the field, now anything with a sniff of possible racial connotation is come down on with a ton of bricks.

Maybe the inconsistency is in society. Do we care more about what Spencer did or what Ezra did? Can we even compare the two?
 

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Of course they got the Spencer one wrong. They let public sentiment judge on that which to be honest I guess racism usually is – when it was acceptable in society it was acceptable on the field, now anything with a sniff of possible racial connotation is come down on with a ton of bricks.

Maybe the inconsistency is in society. Do we care more about what Spencer did or what Ezra did? Can we even compare the two?
We absolutely shouldn’t be comparing the two because they are on completely different scales but when the nrl hands them down the same punishment, it’s hard not to.

Ezra got kissed on the dick here
 

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We absolutely shouldn’t be comparing the two because they are on completely different scales but when the nrl hands them down the same punishment, it’s hard not to.

Ezra got kissed on the dick here
Ezra looked like he got kissed on the dick in the 2023 grand final getting those 3 tries to sew up a Broncos win and he would be the Clive Churchill medallist. Hopefully this works out the same for him.
 

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At least Broncos came down with some kind of punishment, shame on the judge though!!

In addition to that, the Broncos have fined Mam an additional $90,000 and require the five-eighth to undertake a safe driving training program, ongoing work and study placement and an ongoing wellbeing support program.


Safe driving program - in all seriousness, wtf is this? Don’t take drugs and drive the speed limit like a normal person. How long can this program go for
 
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At least Broncos came down with some kind of punishment, shame on the judge though!!

In addition to that, the Broncos have fined Mam an additional $90,000 and require the five-eighth to undertake a safe driving training program, ongoing work and study placement and an ongoing wellbeing support program.


Safe driving program - in all seriousness, wtf is this? Don’t take drugs and drive the speed limit like a normal person. How long can this program go for
Madge!
 
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