2023 NRL General Discussion

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I'm with you. Only thing that can save them IMO is Katoa having an all time debut season.
That kid can play. Moreso a Morgan than a Thurston imo, but what do I know?

Not just him though. It's the guys you haven't heard of who could define the Dolphins' season. Graham is really good but missed the back end of the year injured. Te Whare could be big Mal or he could be Anthony Herbert.
 
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That kid can play. Moreso a Morgan than a Thurston imo, but what do I know?

Not just him though. It's the guys you haven't heard of who could define the Dolphins' season. Graham is really good but missed the back end of the year injured. Te Whare could be big Mal or he could be Anthony Herbert.
Good to know. I'd love to see them be decent from the get go, and even better if it was to be on the back of a few lesser known players.
 

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Good to know. I'd love to see them be decent from the get go, and even better if it was to be on the back of a few lesser known players.
Myself and my footy mates would all like to see them do well. Kurt Richards came through with us in footy before moving in to coaching. Bloke has worked his left nut off to get where he is. We all love him and hope he can bring that team together via the young talent. I hope they finish second every year.
 

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Not sure if our trials have been formally announced yet? May well have and I've forgotton, but just seen

10th of Feb vs Knights (Central Coast)
And second one against Bulldogs
 

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Don’t we have an agreement with the dogs to play the trial in png or some random location? Or was that a few years ago 😂
 
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ALL THE AMENDMENTS FOR THE 2023 SEASON

Grounding the ball: Tries will be awarded if the ball rotates from the hand to the wrist or forearm, provided there is no obvious separation between the ball and the hand or arm.

Operation of the 18th player rule: The number of failed head injury assessments will be reduced from three to two to trigger the activation of the 18th player.

Intervention of bunker in foul play: The Bunker may only intervene for acts of foul play which it deems to be reportable. The change will ensure fewer needless stoppages while also confirming a firmer process around foul play intervention.

Captain’s Challenge: A challenge may be initiated after the referee blows his whistle to stop play, rather than only after a decision resulting in a structured restart. A Challenge can also be made following the final play in each half if the referee has not already blown the whistle for half or full-time.

Offside infringements at scrums: A full penalty will be awarded for off-side scrum infringements by the defensive team anywhere on the field. Teams can still decide between repacking the scrum or taking the penalty.

10m compliance in general play: Active defenders must have both feet in line or behind the referee when setting the 10-metre defensive line. Referees can also award a full penalty for multiple offsides, as opposed to a sin bin.

Adjudication of completed tackles: Referees will issue a single call of “held/release” when a tackle is complete, rather than the separate calls of “held” and “release”.

 

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Clarification has also been announced regarding the Captain’s Challenge and now players can call for a challenge after the referee blows his whistle to stop play as well as following a “structured restart”.

What does this mean? You can make a challenge after a 20m tap has occurred? Or am I completely misunderstanding this?
 

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Cheers @Western Sharkie .
The held/release call change will likely be the big one... How quickly they call it will make a real difference. We should see faster play the balls and more 6 agains, or the offload come back in a bigger way.
 

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What does this mean? You can make a challenge after a 20m tap has occurred? Or am I completely misunderstanding this?
I think you are misunderstanding but because it is not well written.
There is no way they would allow you to challenge after they have allowed play to recommence.

I think they may have been trying to say when referee stops play for a structured restart not 'following'.

May have been some confusing interpretation from the writer that it can be called following the ref declaring what the structured restart is, ie following ref calling a scrum you can challenge, not following the scrum

It is semi clarified later

Captain’s Challenge: A challenge may be initiated after the referee blows his whistle to stop play, rather than only after a decision resulting in a structured restart. A Challenge can also be made following the final play in each half if the referee has not already blown the whistle for half or full-time.

This sentence indicates it is after the referees decision, which it was before, but also now after the whistle before the decision is announced.
Not exactly sure what the benefit there is, unless clock to call it starts on the whistle player is surely motivated to wait for the decision before they challenge it...
 
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Reduction of required HIAs to activate 18th man from 3 to 2 will be significant I expect.
I'd be interested to see a count in how many more 18th men that would have put on the field last season.

Maybe should have split the difference a bit and the number needs to be 3 for 18th man to activate in the second half but only two in the first half.
ie HIA at 20th and 30th minute you get 18th man
HIA at 20th and 50th minute no 18th man unless you get a third failed HIA

Any two HIAs feels a bit generous if they are both in second half, we will see.
Increased likelihood of them playing may tweak coaches selection of who gets 18th man too
 

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Cheers @Western Sharkie .
The held/release call change will likely be the big one... How quickly they call it will make a real difference. We should see faster play the balls and more 6 agains, or the offload come back in a bigger way.
The potential benefit I see here is defenders not being able to use the first call to instigate taking the tackled player to the ground.
That late take down creates some very slow play the balls which I'd rather see fixed than the fast ones getting faster.
Puts more onus on the defenders to time their take down (and communicate) if they want to get reward of holding player up for a bit then taking them down late - they no longer get a verbal que from the ref when to do it.
 

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I think you are misunderstanding but because it is not well written.
There is no way they would allow you to challenge after they have allowed play to recommence.

I think they may have been trying to say when referee stops play for a structured restart not 'following'.

May have been some confusing interpretation from the writer that it can be called following the ref declaring what the structured restart is, ie following ref calling a scrum you can challenge, not following the scrum

It is semi clarified later

Captain’s Challenge: A challenge may be initiated after the referee blows his whistle to stop play, rather than only after a decision resulting in a structured restart. A Challenge can also be made following the final play in each half if the referee has not already blown the whistle for half or full-time.

This sentence indicates it is after the referees decision, which it was before, but also now after the whistle before the decision is announced.
Not exactly sure what the benefit there is, unless clock to call it starts on the whistle player is surely motivated to wait for the decision before they challenge it...
Thanks that makes far more sense.

Problem with this is you can see teams stalling to watch a replay if they believe an incorrect call has been made.
 
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The potential benefit I see here is defenders not being able to use the first call to instigate taking the tackled player to the ground.
That late take down creates some very slow play the balls which I'd rather see fixed than the fast ones getting faster.
Puts more onus on the defenders to time their take down (and communicate) if they want to get reward of holding player up for a bit then taking them down late - they no longer get a verbal que from the ref when to do it.
Yep, changes the way teams tackle. You'd think there'll be less holding up players. It'll have to be sort of one action to slow the player then bring them to the ground.

Very subjective call though, so even more fodder for NRL360 I'm sure.
Still, should reduce those late legs tackles.... Maybe that was the idea.
 

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Yep, changes the way teams tackle. You'd think there'll be less holding up players. It'll have to be sort of one action to slow the player then bring them to the ground.

Very subjective call though, so even more fodder for NRL360 I'm sure.
Still, should reduce those late legs tackles.... Maybe that was the idea.
The two stage call did create an awkward point in play where the defenders were still free to do (almost) whatever they want but the attacking player had no rights.
Attacker can't keep going forward or offload as they are held, but seemed like defenders could still drive them back, join tackle, take them to ground. Created a window which increase likelihood of cannonball tackles or hip drops.

There are some other areas they could clean up around this too - I don't like the disparity in an offload that is a split second late the player just gets the ball back but a legal strip that is a split second late is a penalty. A penalty seems harsh for a perfectly good strip that happens just as the ref calls held. Just cancel it out, give it back to the attacker and let him play it like if he had offloaded.

Contact between marker and player playing the ball too - no need to touch each other. The team that pushes gets an advantage out of it too often, although usually minute there is no positive reason for it to be part of the game.

Off the mark is a cluster **** also but that is more the referees interpretations and choice whether to officiate it or not than a rules thing.

Edit: Also like to see if a player milks a crusher and video ref reviews and finds no wrongdoing by defender (attacker turned into defence themselves and no downward thrust action by tackler) that they not award a penalty. There is nothing reportable here so they don't need to call it a penalty. "New" rule suggests they wouldn't call it back if it was reviewed without a stoppage - I say 'new' as I thought only stopping play for reportable offences was already implemented.

Another one actually... I have a lot of minor rule gripes which are easy to fix haha
Players who come into a completed tackle late and just kind of push down on their own player who made the tackle. They weren't involved in the tackle, it is now complete, why do they get to buy another couple seconds for their team. Penalise it as you would a flop.

or just more penalties
Teams will adapt quickly enough to not be getting over penalised by this.
Well, good teams will...
 
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Expecting fast play the balls AND the defensive line to be compliant in getting set 10+ metres away from the last point of engagement is ambitious.

edit: then again, Usain Bolt was able to travel 10 metres per second, so as long as the play the ball doesn't take longer than 'one alligator' it should be fine
 
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