2021 NRL General Discussion

[andrew's_sharks]

All fair & unfortunately true, Chad.

When drugs become a dependence things get crook. When things get crook people turn to drugs. When they get caught we punish them & make things crooker. Seeing a pattern? People with a drug problem need help not a criminal conviction.

It's inevitable that your boy will encounter drugs. It's proven prohibition & scare campaigns don't work. Education & understanding are the best tools to arm your kid with. Unfortunately we have governments opposed to things like pill testing which undoubtedly educates & saves lives by providing more ability to make an informed choice.

Be careful not to demonise drugs so much that if he does do it or his mates do & things go pear shaped he's not afraid to call on you or someone else. Too many ****ers hesitate calling help because they're scared of getting in trouble while their mate dies.

I would say Australia does prohibition very badly. Australia is very soft on drugs. Prohibition works very well in places like Singapore where there is an actual punishment. Most people get caught with small amounts of drugs get sweet **** all. Not saying education doesn't work. Australia doesn't do either well.

 

[bort]

Just really feels like given the known risks to them (yes I’m talking financial and rep not health) how hard would have been to just not do any coke.

Being an NRL player comes with certain expectations and realities that I don’t think are that unreasonable given the payday a lot of these guys get.

I reckon I would have happily pulled my head in a bit when I was younger if I had a couple hundred thousand on the line.

 

[CrazyMatt]

Yeah I mean I don't feel the law doesn't apply to me or I'm above it, it's just not a deterrent more an obstacle. If I'm careless enough to be busted I'll wear it. I'll buy a baggy & risk a fine, but I won't import 300kgs & risk 30yrs but if I really felt I could I probably would lol

I think I understand.

Wanna cuddle? I won't get a boner if you don't.

No promises about the boner.

hahaha ok you obviously got **** neighbours but if they were otherwise good respectable no trouble neighbours would it be a problem for you? If I was your neighbour & caused no dramas, we give each other a wave & "up up" when we see one another. I have a GF BBQ & you spot me having a bump between flipping snags - you calling it in?

Nothing personal and no feeling of "against" me, mate. We're just having a yarn & sharing opinions.

I dont live next to them now thank ****. As for you, probably not, providing your not.
1. Doing it in front of my young daughter.
2. Not going mental smashing **** up.
3. Dusting a bit on my snag you’ve got cooking there.
I haven’t really been in that kind of situation to be honest, that is having the kind of neighbour you described, having a partner whos father is involved in that kind of law enforcement does focus my view a bit.

 

[Capital_Shark]

I would say Australia does prohibition very badly. Australia is very soft on drugs. Prohibition works very well in places like Singapore where there is an actual punishment. Most people get caught with small amounts of drugs get sweet **** all. Not saying education doesn't work. Australia doesn't do either well.

Yeah lets kill people for drug crimes like Singapore...

FMD

If the drugs don't ruin you the law certainly will!

 

[Sir Chadley]

All fair & unfortunately true, Chad.

When drugs become a dependence things get crook. When things get crook people turn to drugs. When they get caught we punish them & make things crooker. Seeing a pattern? People with a drug problem need help not a criminal conviction.

It's inevitable that your boy will encounter drugs. It's proven prohibition & scare campaigns don't work. Education & understanding are the best tools to arm your kid with. Unfortunately we have governments opposed to things like pill testing which undoubtedly educates & saves lives by providing more ability to make an informed choice.

Be careful not to demonise drugs so much that if he does do it or his mates do & things go pear shaped he's not afraid to call on you or someone else. Too many ****ers hesitate calling help because they're scared of getting in trouble while their mate dies.

Thanks Cap. I understand all that. I don’t think there’s any simple solution unfortunately, the spectre of drugs will always be around.

I know my boy will come into contact with this down the line but I pray we’ll find the right pathway to avoid any unpleasantness.

 

[HaroldBishop]

Yeah lets kill people for drug crimes like Singapore...

FMD

If the drugs don't ruin you the law certainly will!

Isn't that only for trafficking?

 

[egg]

Webcke wrote extensively in his book about the Broncos internal drug testing regime being much tougher than the NRLs. Apparently it was pretty common to be tested on bye weekends, or to have someone knock on his door at 3am the morning after a game.

That was a while ago though - and it was just the testing. The club could always sweep it under the rug I guess.

Did he mention in the book that he might of received $20,000 a fortnight for writing a fortnightly newsletter for a sponsor .

 

[HaroldBishop]

Did he mention in the book that he might of received $20,000 a fortnight for writing a fortnightly newsletter for a sponsor .

Gee, is your name Andrew?

 

[bort]

Webcke wrote extensively in his book about the Broncos internal drug testing regime being much tougher than the NRLs. Apparently it was pretty common to be tested on bye weekends, or to have someone knock on his door at 3am the morning after a game.

That was a while ago though - and it was just the testing. The club could always sweep it under the rug I guess.

Guess they figured better to know about it and control it internally than have players caught out by asada / NRL

Also probably helped guide some of their retention / release decisions

 

[Greg86]

Webcke wrote extensively in his book about the Broncos internal drug testing regime being much tougher than the NRLs. Apparently it was pretty common to be tested on bye weekends, or to have someone knock on his door at 3am the morning after a game.

That was a while ago though - and it was just the testing. The club could always sweep it under the rug

Yeah no doubt clubs would test. But bye weekends so twice a year. And if that player was to travel or hideaway somewhere would make that difficult.

Like through the peptides thing Gal was continuing tested.

We have all seen players out ****ed up or doin stupid things. These fellas were caught and they house hold names. As I said will be interesting to see how Nrl or Melbourne handle it

 

[egg]

Gee, is your name Andrew?

Naa ,
Just sux that the salary cap has been a joke from even way back then .
No wonder Broncos pretty much played a State of Origin during those golden years.
Players making BIG $, on the side from sponsors , to play at the club . He alone might have received $200K

 

[Gards]

Storm gave Bromwich a 2 game ban when he got done for coke a few years back and the club called on the NRL for more regular testing

These kiwi lads must love the stuff , maybe it is harder to come across back home as well

 

[andrew's_sharks]

Yeah lets kill people for drug crimes like Singapore...

FMD

If the drugs don't ruin you the law certainly will!

I'm not saying that I agree with it. But I also don't think you can say Australia is tough on drugs. We aren't even a little bit tough on drugs.

 

[Born&bred]

Webcke wrote extensively in his book about the Broncos internal drug testing regime being much tougher than the NRLs. Apparently it was pretty common to be tested on bye weekends, or to have someone knock on his door at 3am the morning after a game.

That was a while ago though - and it was just the testing. The club could always sweep it under the rug I guess.

Yeah right... Wendell was playing in that team at that time...

 

[Capital_Shark]

Isn't that only for trafficking?

TBH mate I'm not up on Singapore's laws. But I'll assume a country that executes traffickers is probably pretty harsh on users. I'll also assume the difference between a user & trafficker would be less than a gram of whatever you're caught with. For instance in ACT I'm ok with 50g of weed, but 51g I'm a dealer. Unlikely they'd pursue trafficking charges over that gram but not impossible.

Regardless I don't think our law makers should take cues from a country that executes people.

I'm not saying that I agree with it. But I also don't think you can say Australia is tough on drugs. We aren't even a little bit tough on drugs.

30yrs for a cafe owner attempting to import cocaine. 12yrs for a dude who abducted a 12yr old girl, fed her ice & sexually assaulted her for 9hrs before the police found her crying, shaking & rocking back and forward. 4yrs for a female teacher who raped her underage student.

I'm not sure about you but that's outta whack for me.

 

[andrew's_sharks]

TBH mate I'm not up on Singapore's laws. But I'll assume a country that executes traffickers is probably pretty harsh on users. I'll also assume the difference between a user & trafficker would be less than a gram of whatever you're caught with. For instance in ACT I'm ok with 50g of weed, but 51g I'm a dealer. Unlikely they'd pursue trafficking charges over that gram but not impossible.

Regardless I don't think our law makers should take cues from a country that executes people.

30yrs for a cafe owner attempting to import cocaine. 12yrs for a dude who abducted a 12yr old girl, fed her ice & sexually assaulted her for 9hrs before the police found her crying, shaking & rocking back and forward. 4yrs for a female teacher who raped her underage student.

I'm not sure about you but that's outta whack for me.

I think you will find there is a whole heap of inconsistencies. A guy I went to school with got head butted and punched from behind from two minors he didn't know when he walked past them. He died and they got 2-3 years Jail.

 

[egg]

Extract from SMH Grand Final article
Valandys knows how do cut a deal .

The NRL, which is beholden to the Queensland government’s health advice, won’t be out of pocket regardless of whether the match is played with or without spectators at Suncorp or Queensland Country Bank Stadium. The Australian reported that the government is liable for any losses under the terms of the deal struck with Rugby League Central, which requires them to make up the difference should gate takings diminish as a result of playing at a smaller venue, or with a less than capacity crowd.

 

[Western Sharkie]

I wondering then if the QLD government puts all their chips in by calling a zero attendance to the game in the hope that the NRL postpones?

It would be a big gamble but they would be banking on the NRL not wanting its prestigious Grand Final match played in an empty stadium. A postponement or transfer might allow full capacity and potentially saving the government from having to pay up??

Cynical view I know…..and probably unlikely.
I’d hate to see it postponed.

 

[egg]

You're on the money .
Part of article said NRL wont play it with empty stadium.
So yes QLD Gov might want to go to zero IF crowds need to be culled again .
Would save them $$$

 

[egg]

Abdo today

With no lockdown announced on Friday though, and judging by Adbo's comments about Saturday being simply too late to move the game, it now appears the grand final will either be in Brisbane with a crowd at a minimum 50 per cent capacity, or it will be postponed to a later date.